Question about Genesis

[gluadys]

It's not about the Hebrew language. Your James Barr quote deals with the intent of the authors and what scholars believe it to be.

It's entirely possible that the belief has changed in the 30 years since Barr wrote those words. It's also entirely possible that the belief hasn't changed. However, you're making the claim that it hasn't changed without providing any evidence to support that claim.

If it is entirely possible that opinion has not changed, no one needs to show that it has not changed. It is ok to assume that until there is evidence to the contrary. OTOH, evidence is required if one claims that it has changed.

That's the way one works in science. One accepts established theories until one has evidence which requires that they be changed.

Of course, it is also likely that other scholars disagreed with Barr even 30 years ago, but then it becomes a matter of which expert do you trust.

 

[Citanul]

If it is entirely possible that opinion has not changed, no one needs to show that it has not changed. It is ok to assume that until there is evidence to the contrary. OTOH, evidence is required if one claims that it has changed.

That's the way one works in science. One accepts established theories until one has evidence which requires that they be changed.

In general I'd agree with you, but in this specific case we have Barr saying 30 years ago that there were no experts who believed it, and what I don't see is how that proves the claim that currently there are no experts who believe it. If Barr's quote were 5 years old then I think I could accept it, but 30 years just seems like too big an assumption to make without any other support.

 

[Papias]

In general I'd agree with you, but in this specific case we have Barr saying 30 years ago that there were no experts who believed it, and what I don't see is how that proves the claim that currently there are no experts who believe it. If Barr's quote were 5 years old then I think I could accept it, but 30 years just seems like too big an assumption to make without any other support.

Plus, this is supposed to be in a personal letter? How do we know he even said it? The only reference I've seen has been that one member's constant reposting of it.

 

[gluadys]

In general I'd agree with you, but in this specific case we have Barr saying 30 years ago that there were no experts who believed it, and what I don't see is how that proves the claim that currently there are no experts who believe it. If Barr's quote were 5 years old then I think I could accept it, but 30 years just seems like too big an assumption to make without any other support.

Oh, I think you are right to be suspicious. I doubt there was the concensus Barr claimed even 30 years ago. But it is still the better way to find experts today who do disagree. That is solid evidence of a change in opinion.

 

[BobRyan]

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68579148, member: 235244"]
It is the Word of God - and it means exactly what it says -- no mythology, no allegory, no metaphors there.

As for "plants" well... that is a problem for theistic evolutionist christians - but not for Christians that accept the Bible as it is written. For us God created "light" on day 1 and "there was evening and morning" for 2 days prior to plants. So then on day 4 with the creation of the sun - the only question is not "about plants" that would have survived one whole day before the Sun - but rather the question is about the zillion-and-1 options that God has for a "source of light" other than the Sun. Which of them did He use?

What is odd about this - is that even among the professors of Hebrew and OT studies in all world-class universities - this seems to be the present understanding. That the bible writer in Gen 1:1-2:1-3 meant exactly what he said - literally. (Whether you accept the historicity of the Bible or not - and certainly they don't)

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One leading Hebrew scholar is James Barr, Professor of Hebrew Bible at Vanderbilt University and former Regius Professor of Hebrew at Oxford University in England. Although he does not believe in the historicity of Genesis 1, Dr. Barr does agree that the writer's intent was to narrate the actual history of primeval creation. Others also agree with him.

"Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience; . . . Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know. "

James Barr, letter to David Watson, 1984.
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Would it help if they wrote the same thing every year?

Thank God - Christians don't need God to write the Bible "new again every year" and scientists don't need physics texts books to be written from scratch every year -

[/QUOTE]

Oh, I think you are right to be suspicious. I doubt there was the concensus Barr claimed even 30 years ago. But it is still the better way to find experts today who do disagree. That is solid evidence of a change in opinion.

Well ...hmmm

we have observation of James Barr, Professor of Hebrew Bible at Vanderbilt University and former Regius Professor of Hebrew at Oxford University in England regarding his peers.

And then on the other hand we have your guessing on that same subject.

Each reader can sort that one out for themselves. Shouldn't be that hard.

How handy that the point from Gen 1:-2:3 is equally obvious to determine.

 

[Doveaman]

For instance, the creation of plant life before the creation of the sun. If its not chronological in sequence how should it be understood.

The virgin birth and the resurrection of the dead is far more illogical and unscientific than plant life occurring a day before sunlight.

The plant that grew up to shade Jonah did not require sunlight to grow.

*And the LORD God prepared a plant and made it come up over Jonah, that it might be shade for his head to deliver him from his misery.* -- (Jonah 4:6).

 

[Willtor]

The virgin birth and the resurrection of the dead is far more illogical and unscientific than plant life occurring a day before sunlight.

That is indefensible. Only one of these things has evidence that it didn't happen. The first two, true, can hardly be called scientific, but the last is anti-scientific inasmuch as the data indicates it didn't happen.

The plant that grew up to shade Jonah did not require sunlight to grow.

*And the LORD God prepared a plant and made it come up over Jonah, that it might be shade for his head to deliver him from his misery.* -- (Jonah 4:6).

Err... It didn't need sunlight to grow? According to the text you quoted it got sunlight whether it needed it or not...

 

[BobRyan]

The virgin birth and the resurrection of the dead is far more illogical and unscientific than plant life occurring 1 day before sunlight.

The plant that grew up to shade Jonah did not require sunlight to grow.

*And the LORD God prepared a plant and made it come up over Jonah, that it might be shade for his head to deliver him from his misery.* -- (Jonah 4:6).

6 So the Lord God appointed a plant and it grew up over Jonah to be a shade over his head to deliver him from his discomfort. And Jonah was extremely happy about the plant. 7 But God appointed a worm when dawn came the next day and it attacked the plant and it withered. 8 When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah’s head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, “Death is better to me than life.” 9 Then God said to Jonah, “Do you have good reason to be angry about the plant?” And he said, “I have good reason to be angry, even to death.” 10 Then the Lord said, “You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight.

Question -- should evolutionists allow God to do such things??

 

[mmksparbud]

6 So the Lord God appointed a plant and it grew up over Jonah to be a shade over his head to deliver him from his discomfort. And Jonah was extremely happy about the plant. 7 But God appointed a worm when dawn came the next day and it attacked the plant and it withered. 8 When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah’s head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, “Death is better to me than life.” 9 Then God said to Jonah, “Do you have good reason to be angry about the plant?” And he said, “I have good reason to be angry, even to death.” 10 Then the Lord said, “You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight.

Question -- should evolutionists allow God to do such things??

No---It gets them sooooo exasperated!!

 

[Job8]

Why not take Genesis as literal? The other authors of the bible as well a Jesus did.

There you go. Why do people create problems for themselves? Read Genesis as though God (not Moses) is telling you exactly what He did in an extremely concise and organized manner. No one economizes words like God. Had a professor written this account, he would have had to produce a heavy tome to express what God expressed in just a few words.

When people come up with all kinds of notions about Genesis (other than it being real, factual, literal, chronological and historical) they simply DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE GOD. It is pure unbelief. If it is hard to believe that the universe was created in six literal 24-hour days, it is even harder to believe that God simply spoke everything into existence -- OUT OF NOTHING.

 

[miamited]

Hi job8,

That's exactly my understanding of those who fail to acknowledge the Genesis account of the creation as being the actual real account of God's creating this realm.

When I bring up the idea that those who hold to such an understanding are denying the power and glory of God in the work that He has done that we might have life, they immediately deny such a thing. They talk about how God is still the 'first cause' of life and all that exists and claim that's just as much understanding the power and glory as my understanding. I don't agree.

The god who just sets some unknown thing in motion and then allows natural processes, that they, of course, say gives that god all the same power and glory, is not the same God whose wisdom and power and glory created this realm exactly as it is. With all the perfection of its operating without a hitch for thousands of years. With all that is needed immediately considered and made by the God who loves us and created all things for us that we might have life within this universe of His creating. That God is a greater and wiser and more powerful God because He didn't depend on some natural processes that would just naturally run its course to become what we see today. He is the God who knew at the time of His creating just exactly what He was doing and did it! He personally designed and created absolutely everything that exists. He created it all to be perfect and fully functional in the moments that He created. That God didn't just speak some unknown existence to exist and then sit back and watch what it would become, but he purposely created everything to be exactly what it is. And He created it all perfectly working and existing hand in hand just the way we see it today.

No. Not at all. The God of the Scriptures spoke and the earth came to be. In a mere moment the earth appeared suspended in all of the black inky nothingness of empty space. It was covered with water and it was spinning. Because it was spinning the time of a day began. He then perfected the earth by separating the waters and allowing dry ground to appear on which He would ultimately place the feet of the man that He would soon make to inhabit the earth. He created an atmosphere surrounding the earth and as yet there was nothing in all of the black inkiness of empty space. He knew and created this atmosphere to hold the earth's temperature within a livable range for man and to provide the rain that would be necessary for all that would soon live upon the earth. He created the atmosphere that oxygen would abound and remain within the area of the atmosphere and not fly off into space. He then spoke and created life upon the earth. Many and various plants that were fully mature with seed and fruit already hanging from their limbs and branches. Then He spoke again and swept His hand across the entirety of the black inkiness of space and literally filled it with all kinds of other solid bodies of planets and asteroids and comets and also the sun and the moon and the other 8 planets of our solar system. In a mere moment the black inkiness of space was literally packed full of other planets, moons, stars, etc. He then spoke again and the earth was teaming with all kinds of living creatures. Sea creatures and land creatures moved about the earth. All fully formed adult specimens that would then go and reproduce after their kind. Thus the chicken became before the egg.

Then He looked out at what He had created and saw that it was perfect and complete and ready for the final step of His grand work of creating and said through His Spirit to His Son, "Let us make man in our image."

That same God will one day complete the work for which His great act of creating began. He will cull from all the earth a holy priesthood of saints that have believed Him and loved Him and will once again create a new earth and a new heavens where what is now temporal will become eternal. I believe that the God who created all of this will one day sit upon His throne and judge all people who have ever lived and that those who have believed, trusted and loved Him, whose names His Son is going to write down in a book, will then be given everlasting and satisfying life with Him for all eternity. I believe that that is the plan and purpose of all that God has created. I believe that that God is more powerful and wise than any god that man can make of his own imaginings. I am awed and humbled that that God loves me. I fall on my knees and cry 'holy' is the God who created all things that I might have life, yet loves me enough to allow and make a way for the forgiveness of my sin against that holy and good God that I might even have an eternal life that is pleasing and satisfying with Him.

That's what I believe!

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Good, Ted,
But, I reiterate: God's Word, from the beginning, never ever gives any reason to believe the false doctrine man has made up of a spinning, tilting, revolving, moving in any manner, earth. His Word does show us the revolving round the earth heavens, when He divided the light from the darkness, making evening, and morning.
Earth wasn't even earth at that point on day 1, because it was still a globe of water out of which He would call the elements of creation to form into the entire creation, by the power of His Word.

Then, when He set the sun in the heavens on day 4 to be the governor of the Light of day 1, the sun and moon and stars themselves were ordained to follow their own peculiar courses in the circle of earth, the heavens; and they keep their paths/courses according to His Word.
The sun revolves in the circle of the earth, traveling in its course from one extreme of heaven to the end, daily, and refracts the light it is given from the stars/conductors of it to the sun, back out to the entire creation.
That is what the Word says.

It also clearly states that in the sun He has set His tabernacle/temple/tent/dwelling place... and looks down upon man on earth and they appear in His eyes as grasshoppers.
In Isaiah 18:4, in the Hebrew, He also states that He will return to His habitation, the "Dazzling hot sunand look down upon man [to observe]

THe Hebrew, Greek Septuagint, Latin Vulgate and English Douay Rheims tell it like it is:
Psalm 18:4 -(19 in KJV):
unto the end. A psalm for David. [2] The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands. [3] Day to day uttereth speech, and night to night sheweth knowledge. [4] There are no speeches nor languages, where their voices are not heard. [5] Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth: and their words unto the ends of the world.

[6] He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he, as a bridegroom coming out of his bride chamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way: [7] His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.[/B] [8] The law of the Lord is unspotted, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, giving wisdom to little ones. [9] The justices of the Lord are right, rejoicing hearts: the commandment of the Lord is lightsome, enlightening the eyes. [10] The fear of the Lord is holy, enduring for ever and ever: the judgments of the Lord are true, justified in themselves.

Isaiah 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Job 22:14
Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit/circle H2329 of heaven.
Pro 8:27
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a circle upon the face of the depth:

 

[miamited]

Good, Ted,
But, I reiterate: God's Word, from the beginning, never ever gives any reason to believe the false doctrine man has made up of a spinning, tilting, revolving, moving in any manner, earth. His Word does show us the revolving round the earth heavens, when He divided the light from the darkness, making evening, and morning.
Earth wasn't even earth at that point on day 1, because it was still a globe of water out of which He would call the elements of creation to form into the entire creation, by the power of His Word.

Well, no, that's not exactly how I read it. The globe of the earth was exactly what it is today as far as the mineral and physical make up that we see. It was just covered all about with water. God took some of that water and used it to create the atmosphere. God then 'divided' the water so that the dry ground, that had always been beneath it, but of course, not so dry, came to be above the new divided surface of the water. He likely did this by draining off some of the water into the ground from which still today we draw much of our drinking water. And no, the universe is nowhere claimed to revolve around the earth.

Then, when He set the sun in the heavens on day 4 to be the governor of the Light of day 1, the sun and moon and stars themselves were ordained to follow their own peculiar courses in the circle of earth, the heavens; and they keep their paths/courses according to His Word.
The sun revolves in the circle of the earth, traveling in its course from one extreme of heaven to the end, daily, and refracts the light it is given from the stars/conductors of it to the sun, back out to the entire creation.
That is what the Word says.

I'm not sure that is exactly how the universe handles the light that the universe creates. That's not my understanding.

It also clearly states that in the sun He has set His tabernacle/temple/tent/dwelling place... and looks down upon man on earth and they appear in His eyes as grasshoppers.
In Isaiah 18:4, in the Hebrew, He also states that He will return to His habitation, the "Dazzling hot sunand look down upon man [to observe]

That also is not my understanding of the Scriptures.

Isaiah 18:4
ASV For thus hath Jehovah said unto me, I will be still, and I will behold in my dwelling-place, like clear heat in sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.

BBE For this is what the Lord has said to me: I will be quiet, watching from my place; like the clear heat when the sun is shining, like a mist of dew in the heat of summer.

CEB The LORD said to me: I will quietly watch from my own place, like the shimmering heat of sunshine, like a cloud's shade in the harvest heat.

CJB For ADONAI has said this to me: "I will look on from my place and do nothing, like heat shimmering in the sun, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest

CSB For, the Lord said to me: I will quietly look out from My place, like shimmering heat in sunshine, like a rain cloud in harvest heat.

DBY For thus hath Jehovah said unto me: I will take my rest, and I will observe from my dwelling-place like clear heat upon herbs, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.

ESV For thus the LORD said to me: "I will quietly look from my dwelling like clear heat in sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest."

KJV For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest , and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.

NAS For thus the LORD has told me, "I will look from My dwelling place quietly Like dazzling heat in the sunshine, Like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest."

NIV This is what the LORD says to me: "I will remain quiet and will look on from my dwelling place, like shimmering heat in the sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest."

NKJV For so the Lord said to me, "I will take My rest, And I will look from My dwelling place Like clear heat in sunshine, Like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest."

NRS For thus the Lord said to me: I will quietly look from my dwelling like clear heat in sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.

RHE For thus saith the Lord to me: I will take my rest, and consider in my place, as the noon light is clear, and as a cloud of dew in the day of harvest.

RSV For thus the LORD said to me: "I will quietly look from my dwelling like clear heat in sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest."

YLT For thus said Jehovah unto me, `I rest, and I look on My settled place, As a clear heat on an herb. As a thick cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.

Nowhere among all of these various translations does this passage say that God 'lives' on or in the sun. It merely says that He watches 'like' (He is introducing a metaphor here for Isaiah's understanding) the shimmering heat of the sun and 'like' (again a metaphor for our understanding) a cloud of dew in the heat.

Isaiah I believe. You, not so much.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Well, the earth was not named until the "dry" was brought to be seen, as "dry", not mud, in the Bible wording.
There is a word for "mud", in Hebrew, but God called the "dry" to appear, not as mud out of water, but as the "dry" elements gathered out of the waters of the creation.
Then He named the "dry", "Eretz/earth", and that was day three of the six days of creation week.


It did not need to drain, because God brought it forth from the elements out of the waters of the created globe.
As to the sun, the Hebrew is clear, and is corroborated in many places in the Word, but modern men think they know more than God and have actually changed the words to gibberish, since Galileo.

The Hebrew states that "He Has set His tabernacle in the sun", in the Hebrew, and the Septuagint also did so translate it in that passage, and the Latin Vulgate did also translate it so in that passage, and the English Douay-Rheims did so also translate it so in that passage, which is corroborated in many other places, besides in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Yes, in the Hebrew, Isaiah 18:4 states that He will look down and consider from His dwelling place the dazzling hot sun. That is a valid translation of that passage in corroboration with the many Scriptures that tell the same thing.

The earth does not move, and so when Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still, in the heavens, they did so, as Scripture so states:

Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Jos 10:14
And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.
Hab 3:11
The sun [and] moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, [and] at the shining of thy glittering spear.


Enoch also describes the path of the sun and the moon in their courses in the heavens which circle the earth, which modern men have tried to make as if the earth tilts, revolves, rotates, etc, but it is the sun which runs its course through six [electromagnetically stablized portals] in the heavens, beginning in the east as seen from Jerusalem [the belly button of the earth, as God so states], at spring equinox....
The Book of Enoch, geocentric calendar:http://summascriptura.com/html/Enoch_1_RHC.htm#72

The Geocentric Calendar Book* (Chapters 72-82)

Time From Now Until the New Creation"

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Psalm 19:4 in the Septuagint and the Hebrew texts state [18:5 in the Duoay-Rheims] "He set His tabernacle in the sun". Douay Rheims translates it to the English as it should be; "He set His tabernacle in the sun".
Then, Isaiah 18:4, in the Hebrew states "I [will take My] rest and consider [look down from/scan intently from] My dwelling place, the dazzling hot sun".

Dead Sea Scrolls published in 1994, translated by Wilfred G.E. Watson, I found this in the hymns on page 355,
Col XX (=XII + frags. 54 + 60)
line 4
[For the Instruc]tor, praises and prayers to bow down and entreat always,
from period to period:
when the light comes from His residence;
in the positions of the day, according to the regulation,
in accordance to the laws of the great luminary;
at the return of the evening, at the departure of light,
when the realm of the shades begins; at the appointed moment of the night, in their stations;
at the return of dawn, at the moment when it withdraws to its quarters before the light;
at the departure of night when day enters; continually.

This is speaking of the praises and prayers offered to God from dawn to dawn, “when the light comes from His residence to the return of dawn“.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Psalm 19:4 in the Septuagint and the Hebrew texts state [18:5 in the Duoay-Rheims] "He set His tabernacle in the sun". Douay Rheims translates it to the English as it should be; "He set His tabernacle in the sun".
Then, Isaiah 18:4, in the Hebrew states "I [will take My] rest and consider [look down from/scan intently from] My dwelling place, the dazzling hot sun".

Dead Sea Scrolls published in 1994, translated by Wilfred G.E. Watson, I found this in the hymns on page 355,
Col XX (=XII + frags. 54 + 60)
line 4
[For the Instruc]tor, praises and prayers to bow down and entreat always,
from period to period:
when the light comes from His residence;
in the positions of the day, according to the regulation,
in accordance to the laws of the great luminary;
at the return of the evening, at the departure of light,
when the realm of the shades begins; at the appointed moment of the night, in their stations;
at the return of dawn, at the moment when it withdraws to its quarters before the light;
at the departure of night when day enters; continually.

This is speaking of the praises and prayers offered to God from dawn to dawn, “when the light comes from His residence to the return of dawn“.

So man thinks God's stars are billions and billions of light years away, but God said He stretched out the entire heavens between the divided in two waters of creation, and half are still above the stretched out heavens and half below. Even after the flood of Noah, the waters returned to above the heavens and the waters below returned off the land, as the Word of God states, for the return of the waters off the earth means to return to where they came from, above and below.
Since the waters above the heavens that God divided from the waters left below the heavens, were let loose from above to flood the earth and to meet with the waters that came up from the fountains of the deep, then those same waters returned to the place they came from, to flood the earth, and in Psalms, we see they are still above the heavens.

Foolish Adam kind, who does not believe the Word of God as He has written it, thinks the created stars are billions and billions of light years away, and that God's creation is not "earth centric"; but there are no billions and billions of light years out there, only God's "Powers", which He calls the Firmament/Heaven, "the Firmament of His power/s": so the light was not stretched out from the earth to billions and billions of light years out, but the powers were set, and stretched out between the waters divided, which powers puny little man/Adam creation, thinks he can measure as "distance", while God says it is "the Firmament of His Power".

 

[miamited]

Hi YSM,

Thanks. I appreciate what you've written.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hi YSM,

Thanks. I appreciate what you've written.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There is another thing about the beginning that many have seemed to "pass on by", because of the many voices confusing the simplicity of God's Word from the beginning, for us to take it at true face value, and that is the corroborating words of Peter that the earth was formed out of the water and by water.
KJV English on that does not agree with the Genesis origins/beginnings, but many others do: the earth "was not" until it was formed of the elements created in the beginning, out of water.
Everything that is created was formed out of the water of creation as it is told to us in the beginnings book, Genesis.
Earth never had a "drying out time", for it was formed out of the waters "dry", and then named "earth", and then, the same day, God called it to bring forth the vegetation from itself, all over the globe, wherever the "dry" was.
Immediately, not over spans of time, the "dry" brought forth from the elements of itself the entire vegetation of creation, fully grown, with fruit ripe and ripening with "seed" in itself.

The firstborn Adam was formed by the hand of God out of the dust/adamah, and the seed for his generation was included within himself, and God breathed into his flesh the breath of life; and yet, the entire animal kingdom was brought out of the earth fully formed and breathing, male and female, without God specifically "breathing into them" the breath:.....and then God cloned the Adam flesh, bone and blood, and divided a share/remnant of the one Adam spirit with that cloning [Malachi 2:15]: He then canceled the "y" chromosome, doubled the "X", and by the remnant of the "one Adam spirit" of his flesh, He "built" the body of flesh for the "ishyah/female" Adam.

 

[Job8]

The firstborn Adam was formed by the hand of God out of the dust/adamah, and the seed for his generation was included within himself, and God breathed into his flesh the breath of life; and yet, the entire animal kingdom was brought out of the earth fully formed and breathing, male and female, without God specifically "breathing into them" the breath:...

And we need to understand the spiritual significance of this. Man is the only creature who was created to have communion and fellowship with God. Therefore when Scripture says (Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, we need to see the connection between "breath of life" and "living soul".

This is not merely talking about physical life, but both physical and spiritual life. As long as Adam remained obedient, he had spiritual life. The day that he disobeyed, he had only physical life. Thus all humanity is born spiritually dead, and that is why Christ said "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN".