question about, free will and angels

[jive]

sup yall, im new and this is my first thread. i had a question about angels and free will.
i was taught that we have free will and that angels dont have free will, this could be wrong. alot that i have been taught im finding out to be wrong these days. anyway if that is true, that angels have no free will......then how did satan rebel against God to get cast outta of heaven? if thats even accurate.
i would try to find the it in the scripts myself, but i have no clue where to even start.
thanks

 

[HypnoToad]

If by "scripts" you mean "Scripture", could be wrong, but I don't think anything is mentioned about the angels having free will or not.

Thomas Aquinas (if I remember correctly) wrote about free will in angels, and he came up with a decent theory, imo.

This is just on memory, so I might have a detail or two that's not entirely accurate, but how it works with angels is that they do have a free will, but it is a perfect free will. What that means is once they make their choice, it can't be changed. So, the angels at one point chose freely whether to follow God or whether to rebel. They are then "locked into" that decision, so the devil and demons can never come back to God, nor can the obedient angels ever change their minds and later rebel - they already made that choice, and it will stand forever.

So, the devil did freely chose to rebel.

 

[GraceLikeRainFallsDown]

i was taught that we have free will and that angels dont have free will, this could be wrong. alot that i have been taught im finding out to be wrong these days. anyway if that is true, that angels have no free will......then how did satan rebel against God to get cast outta of heaven? if thats even accurate.
i would try to find the it in the scripts myself, but i have no clue where to even start.
thanks

This is an interesting post. I was also taught when I was younger that angels did not have free will. We are in the same boat since many of the things I was taught were not biblical or wrong. I will be interested to see what answers you get.

Personally, I believe that angels have free will. We know that Satan chose to rebel against God. He must have had the will to make that decision.

 

[jive]

thx for the input. i was also taught, one of the main diffrance between humans and angels, was that of the free will thing, we have it they dont.
is there any scripture that talks about this or even where it talks about satans rebel?

 

[lands21]

sup yall, im new and this is my first thread. i had a question about angels and free will.
i was taught that we have free will and that angels dont have free will, this could be wrong. alot that i have been taught im finding out to be wrong these days. anyway if that is true, that angels have no free will......then how did satan rebel against God to get cast outta of heaven? if thats even accurate.
i would try to find the it in the scripts myself, but i have no clue where to even start.
thanks

I think you have answered your own question.

I do not believe the bible specificially answers this question, but it does give us enough to work with and come to the conclusion that they have free will just as we do.

Are you a new Christian?

 

[jive]

I think you have answered your own question.

i realy need know more of what is says in the bible about it before i can say i have answerd my question.

I do not believe the bible specificially answers this question, but it does give us enough to work with and come to the conclusion that they have free will just as we do.

can u show me in the bible where it gives us enough to work with? im just confused on how some say angels, no free will and some angels, free will. i just want to see it for myself, u know. work it out myself, instead of taking a mans word for it. alot of people say the oppisite to what makes since, but where did they get it from?

Are you a new Christian?

no, not a new "christian", i was saved by Grace a while back. i cant see given myslef a title such as "christian", no offence though, i just dont fell right about it. thx for ur input.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

can u show me in the bible where it gives us enough to work with? im just confused on how some say angels, no free will and some angels, free will. i just want to see it for myself, u know. work it out myself, instead of taking a mans word for it. alot of people say the oppisite to what makes since, but where did they get it from?

Until God reveals this to us personally I don't think we can know for sure. But one can form an opinion based on not only the bible but life experiences as well.

I don't believe that 'free will' was an issue with God. I don't think that Lucifer 'rebelled' until God deemed and judged what he had done as 'rebellion'. I think that God created 'sin' and 'rebellion' as a consequence of what Lucifer did. I think that Lucifer simply did something 'different' in that he acted independantly (albeit willfully and pridefully) from the normal, perhaps not really realizing the damage done. What made it so damaging was that it destroyed the relationship that Lucifer had with God, so much so that God would not allow reconciliation, and so 'fixed' Lucifer's act as 'irrevocable'. Thus neither Lucifer or the angels could repent of the damage done. This is why imo there is such a thing as the 'unpardonable sin, reserved for similiar human sins.