Question about Communion

[InnerPhyre]

it truley is more confusing than I thought. Question do churches other than the Catholic church have closed communion (only members can partake)? I know the Baptist church has (my words) mostly open communion in that you have to "be saved" to take communion. In the UMC anyone (saved or not) may partake. So it seems that there are at lest three ways of handling the taking of. Open (all can come and take) Mostly open (all can come as long as you can claim salvation) Closed (only members of the Denomination* can partake)

It's for your own protection. Only those without any mortal sin on their souls may partake. Many Catholics don't receive communion every single week for this reason. You must confess your sins first. If we allowed non-Catholic or non-Orthodox, or even Catholic or Orthodox who haven't been to confession after committing grave and willful sin, we ourselves would be guilty of allowing you to drink judgment upon yourselves.

 

[overnight]

SO would it be better to say that the 5 are?

Transubstanitiation(Catholic)
Consubstanitation(Lutherian)
Real Presence (Weslian)
Calvin (memorial)
Not important (forgot the word already for this ) {Quaker}

I know the churches I put at the end are not exclusive just a rough guideline

 

[overnight]

It's for your own protection. Only those without any mortal sin on their souls may partake. Many Catholics don't receive communion every single week for this reason. You must confess your sins first. If we allowed non-Catholic or non-Orthodox, or even Catholic or Orthodox who haven't been to confession after committing grave and willful sin, we ourselves would be guilty of allowing you to drink judgment upon yourselves.

I don't want to make it sound as if I think having closed communion is wrong I'm just trying to get a better idea of what thoughts there are about communion. However, thank you for explaining why closed communion better.

 

[herev]

it truley is more confusing than I thought. Question do churches other than the Catholic church have closed communion (only members can partake)? I know the Baptist church has (my words) mostly open communion in that you have to "be saved" to take communion. In the UMC anyone (saved or not) may partake. So it seems that there are at lest three ways of handling the taking of. Open (all can come and take) Mostly open (all can come as long as you can claim salvation) Closed (only members of the Denomination* can partake)

that about sums it up--I dont know how all denom's handle it, so I can't answer that

 

[InnerPhyre]

I don't want to make it sound as if I think having closed communion is wrong I'm just trying to get a better idea of what thoughts there are about communion. However, thank you for explaining why closed communion better.

No prob.

 

[herev]

SO would it be better to say that the 5 are?

Transubstanitiation(Catholic)
Consubstanitation(Lutherian)
Real Presence (Weslian)
Calvin (memorial)
Not important (forgot the word already for this ) {Quaker}

I know the churches I put at the end are not exclusive just a rough guideline

well, you would still have to understand that Roman CAtholics and Lutherans both celebrate real presence as well. In fact, I have been reminded by my RC friends that real presence to them "has more meaning" than it does for us.

 

[InnerPhyre]

I wouldn't say ours necessarily has more meaning. Just a different meaning.

 

[Bradford]

well, you would still have to understand that Roman CAtholics and Lutherans both celebrate real presence as well. In fact, I have been reminded by my RC friends that real presence to them "has more meaning" than it does for us.

Zswegi (sp?) was an advocate for the Mere Representalism view... so, IMO, there are six views...

Transubstantion
Consubstatnation
Real Presence
Spiritual Presence
Memorial/Remembrance
Not important

 

[herev]

Zswegi (sp?) was an advocate for the Mere Representalism view... so, IMO, there are six views...

Transubstantion
Consubstatnation
Real Presence
Spiritual Presence
Memorial/Remembrance
Not important

maybe, maybe the real presence should be an umbrella over several? I don't know--now I'm getting confused

 

[overnight]

I understand that there just is not a good word for what the weslian church beilieves. In Con and Trans substainition "something" happens to the bread and wine as in the Wesley thought nothing happens but Christ is still there. I wish there was a word for it I tried sacdrament but the Lutherans and CAtholics beilieve that as well. herev is there a word for what us UMCers believe about communion? (Boy did I open a can of worms or what )

 

[Bradford]

maybe, maybe the real presence should be an umbrella over several? I don't know--now I'm getting confused

Real Presence is a seperate view, in the sense, that it can be used to leave unexplaned what Transubstation and Consubstation attempt to explain...

 

[herev]

I understand that there just is not a good word for what the weslian church beilieves. In Con and Trans substainition "something" happens to the bread and wine as in the Wesley thought nothing happens but Christ is still there. I wish there was a word for it I tried sacdrament but the Lutherans and CAtholics beilieve that as well. herev is there a word for what us UMCers believe about communion? (Boy did I open a can of worms or what )

can of worms--yes, but everyone's being so friendly--thank God. In preparation for my Board of Ordained Ministry review next year, my UM Doctrine professor stressed, just keep remembering, while we don't believe in Trans or Con, we do believe in very Real Presence, so we don't have a particular word--it's more like we are agreeing with the Catholics and Lutherans on Real Presence, but we disagree on the particulars. Some have said we are close to spiritual presence, but in my humble opinion, it's just more than that--we do however stress, that it is MORE than simply a memorial service
Wish I could help more

 

[herev]

Real Presence is a seperate view, in the sense, that it can be used to leave unexplaned what Transubstation and Consubstation attempt to explain...

While I agree with you, you will find some Catholics will not--the ones I have discussed this with on other threads believe and defend Real Presence as their view, so I don't know if that works with all or not.

I don't want to pretend to speak for all Catholics as I have not studied it in depth, but this is what I have been told here on these boards

 

[overnight]

there is a diff between real presence and spiritaul precese so I htink bradfords list is better.

 

[herev]

Overnight, haven't you told me that you are headed towards full time ministry?
If so, you will debate and bang your head about these questions for a while to come

 

[overnight]

Herev you are right. I have not even started seminary yet and want to think at this level. heven help me I may have become a Theologian
HA HA HA

 

[herev]

I'm going to bed--thanks to all--this has been a great thread--I've enjoyed and I've learned. God bless all

 

[InnerPhyre]

I think that:

Transub
Consub
Physical Presence Unexplained
Spiritual Presence Unexplained

Might be a better way to view it?

 

[overnight]

I've got to do some real work but thanks to everyone for your thoughts and for not getting upset.

 

[herev]

I think that:

Transub
Consub
Physical Presence Unexplained
Spiritual Presence Unexplained

Might be a better way to view it?

weeelllllll, we um's don't say physical or spiritual, just real, sorry