Question about Communion

[Christy4Christ]

Yes I am learning alot about what you all believe communion is or is not

 

[Charlesinflorida]

I am so glad you are back from your sabbath Charles

What will you all do now that there are 2 fiesty old men around to contend with?


The reason I am opposed to using leavened bread for this purpouse is mostly symbolic. As you know leavining has always been considered a symbol and type of mans sin even from the earliest times. Thus in a symbolic jesture such as the Lords Table where this bread would be taken to remind us or bring to mind the sinless messiah, it seems very innapropriate to me to use something which has the symbolic nature of sin to represent him who had no sin.

Also I like the fact that Matzoh is both striped and pierced.

Though I do not use wine at all but rather Kedem grape juice. Given my past lack of success with beverage alcohol it is really best that I put exactly 0% into my body!


Blessings

Much Love - Hey Christy are you learning anything?

Pastor George

Thanks Pastor George,

I understand your reasons. Nothing wrong with that either.

As for the two old men, I can tell you that this one is still very tired and not much fight left in him.

Charles the "Chocked full of nuts" Messimaniac

 

[P_G]

Thanks Pastor George,

I understand your reasons. Nothing wrong with that either.

As for the two old men, I can tell you that this one is still very tired and not much fight left in him.

Charles the "Chocked full of nuts" Messimaniac

I hear you brother I hear you!
I am kind of getting beat up around these parts too
but we tarry on and fight the good fight.

Lets go golfing eh?

PG

 

[ShirChadash]

/me promises not to beat on CIF or PG.




well maybe just this once!

 

[ShirChadash]

I couldn't resist I tell ya!

 

[P_G]

OW!

 

[simchat_torah]

This young pup could go rounds and rounds

 

[ShirChadash]

*never one to leave anyone out...*



there ya go Yaf!





and one for me too!

 

[koilias]

A Hever (also Haver, Chaver, or Chever depending on transliteration) meal is often referred to as a "love" feast... referred to in Jude and Acts. They would gather the community together (not just rabbis) and break the Challah bread. Everyone would have plenty of bread, no matter how poor or hungry. The grain represented the people being gathered in from the field into one loaf... or one body. In Acts it mentions the breaking of bread, and this is a reference to the Love Feast (or Hever) and Jude mentions the love feast itself.

However, this was not 'communion', but an act of kindness that was shared with the community.

shalom,
yafet

Interesting...Well maybe this was a different meal that my friend was talking about. It was one assembled for a priviliged few. But I don't know the source for his view. Also, I think it may be called a "Hevrah" meal, I forgot the exact name...Maybe INOrder knows the right name.

 

[simchat_torah]

I've heard it called Chaver... its a play on Chavier (friend in hebrew).

So, I assumed that your spelling of hever was a different transliteration.

*shrugs*

 

[Cordy]

I've heard it called Chaver... its a play on Chavier (friend in hebrew).

Whoohoo! I know actually knew that word in Hebrew! I sometimes feel lost with all the Hebrew words I don't know (yet), so I am excited that I understood something! Ok,... just thought I would share my moment of joy.

 

[ShirChadash]

wooooohooooo mbams!

It takes some time for sure. I've found everyone is very nice about supplying translation if anyone posts asking for it. So just jump right in, Girlfriend!

 

[koilias]

I've heard it called Chaver... its a play on Chavier (friend in hebrew).

So, I assumed that your spelling of hever was a different transliteration.

*shrugs*

Yes that's the same word. (I learned Israeli Hebrew so I transliterate that, I'm completely unfamiliar with Ashkenazi pronounciations.)

Regardless of what the meal was...I really like the "Haver meal" idea. If only "Communion" today was about inviting the poor to sit at our table!

 

[debi b]

Isn't this essentially the same conversation that Polycarp had with Anicetus?

 

[koilias]

Isn't this essentially the same conversation that Polycarp had with Anicetus?

Please elaborate...I'm not familiar with this conversation. I know Polycarp was a student of Yohannan, but that's it.

 

[koilias]

Never mind, I found this:

It was during his pontificate that Saint Polycarp, a disciple of Saint John the Divine, visited the Roman Church. Polycarp and Anicetus discussed on what date to celebrate Easter. Polycarp and his Church of Smyrna celebrated Easter on the 14th day of Nisan, which is the day of Pesach, while the Roman Church used to celebrate Easter on Sunday, since this is the weekday of Jesus' resurrection, and Jesus resurrection on a Sunday is the reason for Sunday being the holy day in Christianity. Polycarp and Anicetus did not agree on a common date, but Anicetus allowed Polycarp to keep the date he was used to. The controversy was to accelerate and grow more heated in the course of the following centuries.

VERY interesting..huh, my MJ achim?

Yes, my friend in Israel says Yohannan's gospel assumes this doctrine of the Pesach. Yohannan was probably read in Polycarp's church during Pesach. The church later in the second century declared the observance of Pesach heretical...

 

[debi b]

If you trace it out Polycarp wanted to talk to Anicetus about Passover, but Anicetus position was that the Eucharist was sufficient. It eventually developed into the "Quartodeimans controversy".