question about christian suicide

[heavenliejediofthebeach]

ok i need to know and im sure this has been asked alot....but as a christian , if we take our own life will we go home?
i am someone with vert severe depression...i dont take my meds most the time because i forget...ive had so many...countless even. times when im ready to take my own life. the first mind burning thoughts to do this was several months ago when i wanted to slit my wrists...then when i first got my meds i was tempted to take them....all....yeah..im thankful for the job i have even though i hate it and i finally have a guy who loves me yet im still SO SO down...its eating me up ALOT because my bf keeps telling me how happy he is and i feel like i have to work just to feel lil happiness ..plus hearing all these couples in love about their happiness and im just starting to think love is nothing special or im being punished..i might sound lame but is how i feel... and all i want is to go home....
so can you tell...does one go home if they are a believer?

 

[guitar_gurl07]

belive me, i think about this a lot also, but im sorry but i dont know if a christin would go to heaven...im sry

 

[kelijene]

When I was suffering with depression I wondered the same thing, and I know that at times it was the only thing that stopped me doing anything.

I guess it is one of those things that only God knows. He sees your heart, and no-one else can, so I don't know if there is an answer to that until we get there.
I was shown this scripture once:
2 Corinthians 5:Our Heavenly Dwelling

1Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
6Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7We live by faith, not by sight. 8We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

I pray that God puts hope and joy back into your heart!

 

[Godsgirl481]

I think about dying a lot

 

[Psalms101]

I have struggled with this as well, and once, this was all I could come up with to keep me from going through with it.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shall not kill.

Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have recieved knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.


Suicide is murder, murder is a sin, if we know we are sinning and we still continue with it, there is no sacrifice. I'm sorry if it seems harsh, you can't say I haven't been there, harsh thinking is what got me out of it, open rebuke from the Holy Spirit and Lots of prayer on mine and my pastor's part. I have been depression free for one year, PRAISE GOD, and I know that you can say that in one year, just as I am saying it now, because I have faith in a peace that surpasses ALL understanding, and I know that He will give you that peace, becuse anything you ask with total faith in Jesus's name will be granted unto you, and to ask in Jesus's name is to ask for what would bring Him glory, WHAT COULD BRING HIM MORE GLORY THAN FOR ONE OF HIS LITTLE SHEEP TO BE DELIEVERED???

 

[TheMainException]

If you murder, is it a sin? If you are saved, will you go to heaven no matter what? Yes, you are being punished...wanna know why??? Satan hates you...you're being punished for living, we all are...Yes...you'll go home if you are saved....but don't do that...stay here...and if you need someone to talk to, talk to me...I'll listen and, being that I also deal with depression, I'll give you any advice you might need.

With love from above,
Lauren

 

[fallen^sparrow]

Here's a good site to have a look at ... www.fiercegoodbye.com

fallen^sparrow

 

[AudioArtist]

I don't believe being a Christian means you can do what you want and get away with it. Jesus and Paul and James and Peter and John all said that once we are saved we should live differently.

 

[bliz]

To die with unrepented sin in your life does not keep you out of heaven. All of us are likely to die with unrepented sin in our lives, if only becasue, in our sinful state, we will not be aware of all the ways in which we sin.

Suicide is not the unforgivable sin; blashpheming the Holy Spirit is.

Which is not to say "So, go ahead and off yourself!" Suicide solves nothing, and it makes a whole lot of problems for people left behind. I cannot imagine that it is ever God's desire for someone to kill themselves. That means, God has something better for them. And that means here, in this life, as well as in heaven.

I fully know and understand that in the pit of depression or pain, suicide can appear to be a tempting option. But apperances, as they say, can be deceiving. Most people who are tempted, with proper medical and/or psychiatrict help reach points in their lives where they can look back and say "I am so glad that I did not cut out early!" It requires reaching out to others for help, which can be the hardest part.

 

[HoosierCanuck]

I've often wondered about this because a man I knew who was a Christian businessman/devoted dad/husband/school board member killed himself. The pastor of his church addressed this question in the local paper in the viewpoints page. His opinion was that this man is now in heaven. I still question it myself. I guess fear of Hell is what got me this far.

 

[macandcheese]

First of all, no one really knows exactly what happens when someone commits suicide. The Bible does not say directly, so all we can do is interpret other scriptures to try and figure out an answer that makes sense.

That being said, I personnally believe that people who have been saved and who had not rejected God do go to heaven when they commit suicide.
Suicide is a terrible thing. No one really WANTS to do it; rather, it appears as a relief of intense pain and often seems as the only way out. There are theories that a person's brain chemistry changes before they commit suicide, and some of these changes result in intense depression and hopelessness as well as increased impulsiveness. Suicide happens when mental anguish becomes such that death is the only way out. When people commit suicide, they are trying to kill the pain, not necessarily themselves. These people are not bad people, as stereotypes would have them be. They are people who lose their hope of a life worth living and see no way out, not people who are violent or rebelling against God or something. If they belong to the Father, no one can rip them away. I believe there is a verse in the bible, perhaps in Revelation, that says something about this; if their name is in the book of life they can not be led astray...perhaps I am wrong.

This is my humble opinion.

 

[guitar_gurl07]

thanks macandcheese, i need to show that to someone who is at my school that continously persecutes me for my feelings of suicide and stuff

 

[RJHarmony84]

I just wondered...if killing yourself is a sin, is being murdered a sin, if you hire someone to kill you? Or if you have someone else hire someone to kill you? Or if you see someone sabotage a vehicle and drive it anyway on purpose so you'll crash? Or if you make someone hate you so much that they'll kill you, on purpose?
Does that make it not killing yourself, or does it all wind down to the same fact--that you want to die so much that you find a way to?

 

[Deamiter]

If you REALLY want to be splitting hairs -- by today's legal definitions, Jesus committed "suicide by cop" by antagonizing the Jewish leaders.

However, I don't think the question should be, "is xxxxx a sin?" I think it is pretty clear that suicide is a sin. It CERTAINLY doesn't glorify God! At the same time, sinning isn't in itself what keeps us out of heaven! It's being unrepentant for our sins.

Also, as Martin Luther found out (after years of beating and starving himself) it is also impossible to repent for every sin. We simply cannot STOP sinning, nor can we be perfect in our repentance! We are obviously saved by God's grace no matter WHAT sins we've built up, though God has recorded a guide that gives us a pretty good idea of who will be saved.

Actually, I truly believe that WANTING to kill yourself is a sin. And that's coming from a guy who was suicidal for years and even tried it once. David cried out repeatedly in his Psalms that he wished he'd never been born, and I suspect he considered suicide especially since it was more accepted back then (there are nine suicides in the Bible and none are condemned as sin). It doesn't mean you cannot be saved but it DOES mean that God can no longer use you, and I think that is the greatest tragedy of all.

That said, I don't believe it is wrong to feel suicidal. It is CERTAINLY not okay or normal, but at the same time it is not uncommon. It is one of those nasty side-effects of living in a fallen world, and it SUCKS!!! However NOBODY should be persecuted because of ANY sin (Jesus certainly made THAT clear enough) but should be treated with love in all situations! If only we could understand and stop sinning altogether...

I miss my friends who have killed themselves. I mourn them and I pray that they were saved. I'm not a big fan of suicide, but I love people who have tried and those who have succeeded and I think that is the key to dealing with it.

 

[Awake]

"It is one of those dead seas that seem clear and smooth to the eye; but he who unwarily ventures within its embrace finds himself entangled in a quagmire that attracts and swallows him. Once thus ensnared, unless the protecting hand of God snatch him thence, all is over, and his struggles but tend to hasten his destruction. This state of mental anguish is, however, less terrible than the sufferings that precede, and the punishment that awaits it-- a sort of consolation that points to the yawning abyss, at the bottom of which is darkness and obscurity." --Alexandre Dumas, "Count of Monte Cristo"


'Tis a very tortured mind that reaches this point. The pain of living has overcome the joy of life. Some say they cannot understand someone committing suicide. Reaching that point tends to change one's perspective. I believe that stepping into God's domain (of the ending of life) is a sin. I doubt that God looks too highly upon the fact that He can no longer use you for His plans for you. I gotta side with the notion that there is no unforgiveable sin aside from wholeheartedly turning away from God.
Part of me can see Christ holding a christian who has committed suicide, crying with them and saying something like "I'm sorry you did that, my child. You will never hurt like that again. You are home now."

 

[FoundInGrace]

I;m not sure about what happens with suicide after you die, all i know that if i had committed suicide when i was really in a dark place the years since wouldn't have happened (duh yeah okay obviously) and even though they've been incredibly difficult painful years there have been a moment every now and then when something good has happened which i would not have seen that i'm glad i did see after all.

For example the other day i was sitting on a bench waiting. Under a tree next to the bench was a dead bird, it wasn't nice seeing a dead bird but i couldn't help looking at it - it had the most beautiful face, it was a black bird with that amazing blue shine to it and its eyes were rimmed with a brilliant orange, its beak the same color. maybe it sounds terrible as this bird had died, but with the contrast in colors and the way it lay on the grass so gently, it was the most strikingly exquisite thing i had seen for a long time, i couldn't help but think of the design in making it that God had put into that amazing bird. Like that verse says: even a sparrow doesn't fall to the ground without our Father in heaven knowing about it.

please hang in there, theres gotta be something sometime that you find beautiful, one thing in the future when you least expect to find it probably. And maybe God will show just you. As someone in an earlier post said, praying that hope and joy come into your life.

 

[RJHarmony84]

So if you purposely put yourself in harm's way, even if maybe you're doing it to help someone or do something good, it's still suicide if you want to die or think about dying when you do it?
By that measure a lot of police officers and detectives today are committing mental suicide several times a month! I know they get depressed just like we do, but dispite that they put themselves in harm's way continualy, even though it's with the intention of helping someone.

Never mind...it doesn't really matter. I think I'll just go dissapear...

 

[Godsgirl481]

suicide is a sin by my defintion....cause it is murder of the body that can no longer be asked for forgivness for. Some say that you are not in your right mind when you do it and I disagree. I have had a barrel in my mouth....2 seconds from pulling the trigger knowing that what I was about the do was a sin...and knew that it was wrong. At that point...I didn't really care....but I still knew

 

[RJHarmony84]

suicide is a sin by my defintion....cause it is murder of the body that can no longer be asked for forgivness for. Some say that you are not in your right mind when you do it and I disagree. I have had a barrel in my mouth....2 seconds from pulling the trigger knowing that what I was about the do was a sin...and knew that it was wrong. At that point...I didn't really care....but I still knew

I agree, I think that we know exactly what we're doing. However, knowing what we're doing to ourselves, and why, are not the same as knowing what we'd be doing to our friends, family, and God. I've been at the point of slitting my wrists or hanging myself, and knew how much it would hurt. I had calculated that the pain of death would be small & short compared to what I would have to endure if I lived. But in the midst of all that calculation I had no clue what I'd be doing to my parents, or my husband, or my friend, or my sister. Least of all what God would feel like. God gave us this life to use for our own--but it's like a huge diamond someone gives you for safekeeping, saying "You can use it until I come back for it". You don't shatter it and throw the peices in the dust! That's just rude. As for suicide--I beleive it's like slapping God in the face. You can't get away with it because it's one of the few offenses to God that can never be taken back or repented of.
:crosself:

 

[bliz]

thanks macandcheese, i need to show that to someone who is at my school that continously persecutes me for my feelings of suicide and stuff

Why do you wish to continue a discussion with someone who is so uncaring as to pick on anyone who feels sucidal? That person is not your friend. They do not care about you. You will never win the argument with them. Ignore them and move on and use beter judgement in selecting people with whom to share your feelings in the future. Hanging around such a person is not going to help you in the least. They are clearly immature and not trustworthy. Leave them and move on.