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Question about angels.

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Why is it that in Scripture there is some places where Angel is capitalized and others when angel is not? And even instances when angels are mentioned by name, what exactly are they?

In Isaiah there is mention about the Shining One, in christianity they translate it as Lucifer, who then is named Satan. What is the Jewish view on Satan? How can an Angel have as much freedom as Satan had?

Then in Job, God never tells Job that satan was on his case. Why not? But then there is mention of a behemoth and a levithian. The Levithian seems like a dragon. Was God telling Job that there are things that happen in an individuals life that is not comprehended by man's reasoning or logic? Was God taming the Levithian through the actions of Job? Meaning By Job not cursing God, The Levithian or "Satan" can be slain, but javlins and other things can not even penetrate the surface of a levithian. Not even through reasoning because the Levithian is proud and arrogant.

Or can it be that in Job's time the word "Satan" never really existed, instead SAtan is described by concept, i.e. Behemoth or Levithian? While the Author knew more and therefore mentions Satans test in the beginning of the chapter?

Never the less, what is the truth about angels of all kinds? :scratch:
 

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Boanerge said:
Why is it that in Scripture there is some places where Angel is capitalized and others when angel is not? And even instances when angels are mentioned by name, what exactly are they? :scratch:
*In the OT we see references to the "Angel of Jehovah" or, other times "Angel of the LORD" Sometimes this figure, when He appears in one part of the context He is called the Angel of Jehovah and in another part He is called Jehovah Himself. What is clear is that the Angel of Jehovah is not a common ordinary angel but is a unique being who is a visible manifestation of God Himself (a Theophany) Gen 16:7-14 - He is called the Angel of the Lord in verses 7, 9, 10 & 11 and called the Lord in verse 13. Genesis 22:9-13 - He is called the Angel of Jehovah in verses 11 & 15 but is called God in verses 12 & 16. Genesis 31:11-13 - in verse 11 He is called the Angel of God but in verse 13 He says "I AM the God of Beth-el" Genesis 32:24-30 - In verse 24 He is called a man because that is how He appeared. In verse 28 it says, "Thou has striven with God" and in verse 30 "I have seen God face to face" Exodus 3:1-5 - He is called the Angel of Jehovah who is responsible for the Exodus, but Exodus 19:4 states that it was God who was responsible. So this Angel has to be God ! Judges 13:2-24 - He is called the Angel of Jehovah in verses 3, 9, 13, 15-18, 20, 21 but then in verse 28 His Name is Wonderful one of those special Hebrew words (pele) that is used only of God as in Isaiah 9:6. Verse 22 states that what they saw was God's face.*

Information between "*" taken from "The Trinity" by Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Ariel's Radio Ministry (Messianic Bible Study)

This would help to explain why Angel is capitalized - it is to emphasis that this is no ordinary angel but the Lord God (pre-incarnate Jesus) appearing as a unique Angel ! :bow:


Merry CHRISTMAS to all,

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Oh but i think that in the english translations, certain words which are different in its original form, are the same in the english form. for example lord. In Hebrew there is a lord for lets say, people you work for; and there is LORD for the Most High. My question is how does some angels, perhaps in hebrew meaning a common angel, have Capital letters in the words, perhaps the capital lettered Angel has some kind of meaning some kind of significance to God, is or relating to God?

But then i come across verses like "No one has seen God"

And there is an angel that Jacob confronts and says "Face of God" (Peniel)

Then there is the Angel of Death.

Then theres The evil spirit of the Lord.

IS it that any manifestation of God some how becomes corrupted?

Im not saying that God becomes corrupted but His images do.

Like us, we are His image and look how evil we can become.

What about satan? a Fallen angel. Did the Task of satan require satan to make decisions, and then in this liberty he became corrupted?

Did the Lamb then go from incorruptable form, into the lowest corrupted form, man, to then replace Satan, who being incorrupted, had authority given to him By God, but chose to abuse that authority for incorruptible things? Which is why then the Lamb enters the dwelling place of Satan and steals the keys?

One thing is strange, the Angel told Jacob that "The Morning comes" and he has to go. Then there is the face of God. Who wants to be like God but is not God? Who takes on the apparence of God but is not God?

I do not say that that angel was a demon, but that it must have been some angel before the keys of authority were taken away.

Jacob had a purpose, and his purpose is to bring forth a decendant that will overcome darkness. Even though Jacob lost against the angel, the angel still named him "He who struggles with man and God and prevails."

What is of God that we overcome?

I do not mean that God created evil, but in creating Good, Good can then be twisted to become Not Good, in other words, evil.

Evil is then dependant on Good, Good is independant. But because of Good, or because something is labeled Good, there leaves things that are not labeled Good, even if it has already been conquered, even if it lays in the past, that needs a name and it has been ordained, or "created" as evil.

Ofcourse im going with the notion that Created doesnt always mean make, but labeled.

Therefore Good is not a creation. Not everything that comes forth from God has to be "created". Because how can any part of God be created if God is immortal??

My other idea is that Maybe God has a Shadow, if God has a Shadow, and if God is immortal, Then everything of Him is also Immortal. So then that Shadow, or darkness, is Also immortal. It would then mean that from God came a Light, that, if God is something, casted a shadow once it shown. And to dwell in that shadow, then corrupts minds? In either case, God created that Shadow, whether intentionly or indirectly it was created none the less. I also believe that everything of God is Living, even that shadow..

Many have told me of Isaiah 45:7, asking "Why did God create evil?" this is my answer to them. We are in the Shadow of God, and if we choose to be evil, or one with darkness, that is our fault, God however plans to take these children of darkness, and make them children of Light.

Then many have told me of Isaiah 14:15, asking "How can God create a hell?" this is also my answer to them. God is Eternal, He is Spirit, How can God Forget if everything is in His sight? He can however Forgive, and when He forives, you change, and when you change, you are no longer what you use to be, and this is what God forgets. He forgets who you were for who you are, a repentant person. But then what happens to the things you have commited in your "old" state or anything concerning your "old" self? What happens to those spirits that you fellowshipped with in your "Old" times? I don't believe that they just disappear. They Must Go somewhere. The Shadow of God must then be sheol. and the deepest part must then be "Seperation from God" which to such a departure there is no end, imagine floating off to space forever, a bottomless pit...

Or What if that Light that shined was That Angel, and we humans, filled him with so much pride that he wanted to shine above God? and This Pride then Casted a Shadow? And then God exalted his Word above this Shining One?

The Word coming forth from God, uttered by the Most High, The Commandment, the Law, casted this "Shining One" into the Pit.

But now who will take the place or fill the gap that this Shining One, the Light-bearer has made? something made lower than this angel? an uttered word perhaps? the Word of God, does not shine, it is powerful already it does not need to shine. But it is this Word that God has anointed, and ordained as King of Heaven and Earth. I would be ashamed, to be an Angel, and be replaced by something lower than me. This would be torture!

The only trouble i have is understanding how did this Angel fill with pride?

There is Michael and Gabriel, Knowing things before hand, warriors than can not be conquered, but loyal and faithful messengers of God, vessals of His Word, servants of His Word. Are they not ministering spirits followers of His Word?

How then can the Morning Star, who has fallen from Heaven, who also is a messenger of God, who has been given into the hands of His Word, in the Right Hand of God, not follow His Word? How can this Shining One be against his Creator?? How can the messenger be against the one who sent the Message?

Can it be that God in his Anger, uttered a Message to all that the arrogant and prideful Shining One represents? And That Message is then Carried on by that same Shining One, also known as Satan? Does God then love us so much, that we, being created from dirt, from earth, from this temporal darkness, children of the world, filled with the breath of life, have been warned of the Wrath of God, and God in His Love uttered a Word of Salvation? Then who are we to reject Him? This way God can be All in All. God of Heaven and Earth, Light and Darkness, All in All. Creator and Redeemer, Sustainer of everything. Everything created by and for Him, through His Word.

Perhaps God needed a ruler over Darkness, and the Shining One was then that chosen cherub? But he became prideful, and God then conquered that Ruler of Darkness, and in so doing, liberated the children of Darkness, by making them heirs to His Kingdom?

Only God knows the Answer. But i know there is an answer. I know that the Spirit guides into all truth. Perhaps it is not time to know the answer.

So i can say in faith, that thanks to God, my question has been answered.

And i Thank God for being able to ask, being able to learn, and being able to be corrected. Amen.
 
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As for the Angel being Jesus?

Yes, the Son of God is Authority, Wisdom, Power, Love Light Life.

And Satan had this.

The Son of God, also known as, Authority Wisdom Power Love Light Life, was then corrupted but the Light-bearer, also known as satan.

He corrupted and abused of-

Authority by claiming to be the the highest,

Wisdom by wanting the position of God,

Power by fighting with others,

Love by loving himself more than others,

Light by confusing good from not good,

Life by being the Father of corruption.

All this, commited by a chosen one of God.

This was Jesus abused before his human life time.

Then i think about how Jesus was abused of during his life time. People wanted to use his miricles for divine healings, disrespected, stepped on, spat at, by those who he has chosen to save.

Then i think about how Jesus is abused in this life time. Catholics killed in his name. Muslims think of him as nothing but a "prophet". Christians barely understand who he is, and we still count ourselves as gentiles, as one of the lost, not knowing that His Word does not only Forgive us but also saves us.

great, Now my soul is crushed by how much we have stepped on the Lord!

Woe is me for wisdom..

In Three Stages, before during and after!

Yet He was He is and He will be. Praise the Lord.

Who do Jews reject? Some say they reject God, But he will forgive, some say they reject the man, but he will forgive. But what if you reject the Spirit?

The Spirit you say? Who is His Word? is he spirit? What then dwells in the Man? What then is one with the Lamb? was it not the Spirit of God? was it not His Word? Isn't His Word then the Son of God? is not then the Man, the flesh, the lamb is naught but the Vessal? the chosen human vessal? the Servant? Like the golden ark? which holds with in.. what? the Law, The Word?

In more clearer terms, is not His Word the Soul of the vessal Jesus? Who then Died on the Cross?? can a soul Die on the cross? what then will be ressurected on the Day? is it not the soul?

WHO THEN SAVES???? WAS IT THE MAN JESUS OR HIS SPIRIT!!!!!????

therefore, beware that we blaspheme against the spirit.

If the rope is sent down to take you out of the well, and you reject it, how then can you be saved? how then can you live? the rope is there for your benifit, the Wrath of God knows no one and will stop for no one.

What does this parable mean? is not the rope the Word of God? the Law of God? the Commandment of God? the Utterance of God? the Redeemer? who exactly can redeem us? Can a man save our souls? can a man destroy our souls? So then why do we Curse a MAN?!?! if a Man can do nothing to us? we then fear not he who can destroy the flesh, but He who can destroy the soul.

For if God came to save us from sin, and sin is the death of us, that sin which decays and destroys our souls, if God came to us like medicine, to heal our wounds, to overcome that virus in us that corrupts us, who are we to reject Him? Who, when he is sick, does not go see a doctor? My creator made me! who am i to say whether i need or need not to be saved?!?!?!

But i did not come to tell you new things, but all these things we know of. read the Scriptures! i do not teach. I come from nothing, therefore i know nothing, but God is Something, and He is that can teach us something!

Why then, do we walk around in circles when the truth is before us, right under our noses. What then covers our vision if it is not darkness?

and why are we still in darkness if we did not choose this home ourselves?

It would then be logical for a child of darkness to reject a child of light, unknowingly. For the child of darkness, lives in darkness, and light annoyings him, and light pierces through his pupils, and truth shines brightly, and causes his eyes to hurt. That light drys his eyes, and makes it somethinglike scales, like snake skin, and he who is exposed to this light, can be blind for 3 days even, if not more. And one who is of Sin can even die to see the face of this light! For Righteousness conquers over wickedness. whether on the flesh, or in the heart, but if it is in the heart, then be fearful, lest you be destroyed. What then can justify you before the presence of the Lord? is it the written law? or is it the utterence of God that says "You are righteous in my sight, take off your shoes, this is holy ground." What Law did Abraham our father follow if it was not the Voice of God, the Word of God??

Why then do we persecute Christians when they believe in the same exact thing?Jesus Christ, the Manifestation of that Voice of God?

I do not know, but God is always there for the humbled, He is there for those who repent in their hearts. HE IS!
 
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Well lol, i tend to write without rechecking my posts, so i have answered my own question! Praise the Lord. But i will leave this like it is and pray that this may edify others according to God's Will. :clap:

:wave: Oh and Merry Christmas, Happy Hanakah, and which ever day it may be, Thank the Lord for being able to share that day with loved ones! :D

:pray: Whether they take out Christmas or Hanakah or Kawanza or all holidays for that matter, they still can not Take out The One True God. :bow:
 
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