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dyanm said:
"Repenting is no good if you don't turn your back on your sin. The Bible specifically tells us this and goes on further to state that we are not to tempt God's grace."


But once the deed is done, and one has sought forgiveness, the DEED is erased.

If I married young (before being saved) divorced due to adultry, later got saved, then married a Christian am I living in adultry?

God said "Go marry a harlot"-----Did he command a man to sin?

I can not remember who but said it in a prevous post but they did say divorce was allowed for adultery and the unbeliever leaving the believer, isnt someone who abuses their spouse in fact an unbeliever, infact the bible says they are worse than an unbeliver. In that isntance the believer can leave and initiate because the unbeliever is not willing to leave in peace with them.

Although I am not perfect I feel I dont have much to ask for forgiveness for regarding my failed marriage. I think back all the time should I have done this or done that. I was the best wife I could be to him, I gave him everything even after he treated me the way he did I still bowed down to him probably mostly because I was afraid of him at that point. So if I do infact divorce him, I feel I am not doing anything wrong, I will ask God for forgiveness on my part for divorcing if it is infact wrong but for what else? For being a great wife, for taking the abuse, for never talking back, It is sad when I look back and cant think of one thing I could have done to fix my marriage. The only thing is to never say anything. I was not allowed an opinion, it wasnt fought about as soon as I had an opinion the red eyes came out, when I saw this I got scared I begged him to calm down but it was too late. What kind of things would make a man so angry, one would think money and important things. No it was stupid things like, lets have christmas lights on the house, why dont you take the child out and I will stay home with the other one (that one was the worse I got popped in the mouth for that one, he was angry at the one to stay home and I didnt want him staying with her, I calmly suggested he could go and have fun and I would stay then he hit me in the mouth full fisted and say want me to "mess" you up) I of course ran out of the house bare foot with a 3 year old running after me. I dont care if God will judge him now or in after life, the thing is he is not truly sorry cause he doesnt see his faults and keeps going. But I am not going to remain married to someone that can not keep their vows and love honor and respect me when I have done nothing wrong.
 
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isnt someone who abuses their spouse in fact an unbeliever, infact the bible says they are worse than an unbeliver.
Jesus said we shall know them by thier fruits.
No fruits, no christian. Sorry folks

When we are born again, we CHANGE.
NO change, No christian. Sorry folks.

So do you think that a man who beats his wife has the right to call himself ''christian''?

Isnt it funny that some will say that the wife who leaves this man and remarries MUST give up her new hubby or she is unrepentant. They pass judgment on her.
Then these same people will tell us that the man who is savagely beating and raping her IS a christian as long as he has ''repented'' and we cannot judge that he is not, even though he is showing not a single sign of repentance or salvation.,

Again.
Jesus said ''by thier fruits you shall know them"
We dont get grapes from weeds.

A man who beats his wife regularly is not a christian.
It doesnt matter how some try to twist it, he is not showing the fruits of salvation, therefore is not saved.

In ''my'' opinion, abuse constitutes apostacy (adultery) against the covenant he made to his wife to love and PROTECT her.
 
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One can repent for a divorce and a bad marriage. But once divorced it is done and over with lawfully you are free, one would have not need to stop sinning (divorce) and repent for a 2nd marriage, whats done is done, they are free to move on with their lives. Here is a little bit of a conversation I had with 2 preachers. One answered my questions, and the other showed how his answers were not completly biblical.

Preacher 15. I will begin my discussion on divorce by stating my convictions clearly. I believe that the sum of all the Bible says about divorce is as follows:
a. God hates divorce, Malachi 2:14-16: "Yet ye say, 'Wherefore?' Because Jehovah hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously, though she is thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. And did he not make one, although he had the residue of the Spirit? And wherefore one? He sought a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. 'For I hate putting away,' saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, 'and him that covereth his garment with violence,' saith Jehovah of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously."

Preacher 2 I disagree with the above statement. Although God intended for marriage to be for life between one man and one woman, God did not say He hated divorce, as is often misquoted by those holding the traditional marriage, divorce and remarriage position. He said He hated putting away because it is treacherous. It is dishonest; it is deceptive; it is against everything for which He stands: Love, honesty, truth, mercy, and compassion. There are only 4 places the Hebrew word for divorce (divorcement) "keriythuwth" is mentioned: Deuteronomy 24:1, Deuteronomy 24:3, Isaiah 50:1, and Jeremiah 3:8. Malachi 2:16 is NOT one of them.

Although God may hate divorce, I believe it is improper to use Malachi 2:16 as justification, especially in this study. An honest individual WILL see that the Hebrew word for divorce was not used in this verse.

preacher 1 b. Under the old Law, the law of Moses, God stipulated that a man divorcing a woman should write a release document that would make it easier for her to remarry, Deut. 24:1-4. The Jews interpreted this to mean that it was acceptable to divorce for any cause, but Jesus explains that this is not what God intended, Matthew 19:7-8: "They say unto Him, 'Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorcement, and to put her away?' He saith unto them, 'Moses for your hardness of heart suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it hath not been so.'"

Preacher 2 Actually, Jesus said this was not a should, but a must: He said it was a COMMAND to write a bill of divorcement. The men were not doing that, but simply sending their wives away so that they could keep the dowry.

Now, let's look at the above question from the Pharisees: If what this preacher says is true that putting away and divorcing are the same thing, why would the Pharisees being asking, in essence, Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorcement, and to divorce? It is a ridiculous statement, and it was NOT what was being asked, because the pharisees KNEW putting away was only a PART of the divorce command.

preacher 1 In spite of God’s disapproval of divorce, He knew the Israelites would divorce anyway because of the hardness of their hearts. In order to protect divorced women in a society where they could not otherwise survive, God ordered the husband to write a bill of divorcement that would make it clear that she was released. Jesus’ words "but from the beginning it has not been this way" indicates that God never approved of the practice of divorce. He only sought to soften the blow of divorce on the weak and vulnerable.

Preacher 2 I would disagree with the above statement slightly. God never intended for divorces to occur, but He does approve of them when they are followed according to His law. He was the one who instructed Moses on the proper procedure to divorce. He did seek to help the women who were being abused.

preacher 1 c. Under the new Law of Christ we are told not to separate from or divorce our spouses, Matthew 19:3-6, I Corinthians 7:10: "And there came unto him Pharisees, trying Him, and saying, 'Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?' And He answered and said, 'Have ye not read, that He who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.' But unto the married I give charge, yea not I, but the Lord, that the wife depart not from her husband." In Matthew 19:4-6 Jesus states that when people are married they are joined by God. Something done by God can only rightly be undone by God. Men do not have the right to declare as separated what God has declared as joined. This is the general rule against divorce.

Preacehr 2 I disagree with some of the above. Jesus was NOT asked about divorce (apostasion), He was asked about putting away (apoluo). "Put away" means "send out of the house" and results in separation – not in a legal divorce. What evidence is there that "put away" just means what it says and does not mean divorce? First of all, the Greek word for "put away" is apoluo. The Greek word for "divorce" is apostasion. This word was NOT used when translated "put away" in Matthew 19:9.

Theword translated depart in 1 Corinthians 7:10 is from the Greek word choreo, meaning to give space. Paul is speaking here of a separation, and not a divorce. Paul is reiterating what Jesus said regarding this issue, "…yea not I, but the Lord," that those who are not divorced, but just separated, should not marry another. She should remain unmarried in terms of attaching herself to another man while still married to her first husband, and she should try and be reconciled, if at all possible.

"(but should she depart, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband); and that the husband leave not his wife." (1 Corinthians 7:11) The word translated leave in verse 11comes from the Greek word aphiemi, meaning to leave, put away, or let go. Its root comes from apo, denoting separation or departure. Paul is saying here that the man should not put away or leave his wife, which is in perfect harmony with the teachings of Christ discussed earlier from Matthew 19 and Mark 10.

I agree that we should not go about seeking to divorce, but the scriptures referenced do NOT talk about divorce, they are talking about putting away, or separation. There is a difference between one being divorced and one being separated.

Preacher 1 d. If people divorce and remarry someone else, they are committing adultery, Matthew 5:31-32, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18, Matthew 19:9, Romans 7:2-3: "For the woman that hath a husband is bound by law to the husband while he liveth; but if the husband die, she is discharged from the law of the husband. So then if, while the husband liveth, she be joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another man."

Preacher 2 Wrong! That is NOT what these scriptures say! Matthew 5:31-32, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18, Matthew 19:9 are all referring to putting away, which is separating, and not divorce. Once we stop calling separation (putting away) divorce it all makes sense.

The passage from Romans is quoted out of context. It is comparing the Old Law of ordinances with the New Law of liberty found in Jesus Christ. It shows how the Old Law is no longer applicable. Look at the verses before and after for confirmation that what is being talked about is NOT marriage, divorce and remarriage, but a comparison of the Old Law to that of the New Covenant: "Or are ye ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the law), that the law hath dominion over a man for so long time as he liveth? Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:1, 4-6) If it has anything to do with the subject of marriage, divorce and remarriage, it simply confirms the intent that marriage was to be for life, and points back to the Garden of Eden.


 
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Continued, so in my opinion I feel like a worse person, because my husband has been put away because of the way he treated me, and I am afraid to divorce him because of all the debating in the bible. Here is a question. Am I any better for putting him away for almost a year, and hoping and waiting for him to find a woman so I can divorce him justly according to what some claim the bible says?? I want it just over, he hasnt changed and until he does there is no chance, but you know what the second I find out he has a woman in his life I would file. Now because I am the one that dosent want him here or have sex with him, am I not causing him to have sex (sinning) with another?? This is why the put away vs divorce makes so much sense to me. When do you draw the line as to what adultery,fornication is to constitute when u can divorce, does it have to be while activly living together? does it count if you are separate? does it count if you are divorced and your spouse remarries because according to some they are committing adultery, would the innocent single person now be free to remarry, again how can something that should be easy to understand cause so many questions. It is basicially as my church said to me, every circumstance needs to be dealt with on its own, not every situation is the same, and because the bible is so confusing on this topic maybe that is the lesson, it isnt cut and dry, the bible is the ideal but God also understands, and makes room for forgiveness.
 
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Let me answer your question this way.

My ex-wife left me after 14 years of marriage. She moved in with her boyfriend and told me that she had no intention of ever reconciling with me. I waited 18 months before I filed for divorce because I needed to be sure it was really over. My ex wife did a lot of cruel things during that time period. But one right thing which she did which was very helpful to me was that she never wavered on the fact that she did not want to reconcile. She gave me the freedom to move on and divorce without having second thoughts. If she would have refused to divorce me and confused the issue , that would have only added to my pain.

Therefore. My advice to people who leave their spouses. At least have the decency to set them free by ending the marriage. If you don't want to live with your spouse anymore , you are already divorced for all practical purposes anyway.
 
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I agree, but you also have the fornication clause on your side. She moved in with her boyfriend while you were still married, you had every right according to some to divorce her without sinning. What if no fornication or adultery is involved? Its been 2 years since any action has been taken and he still wont change? How long do I need to wait?
 
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God is more concerned with your safety. After reading God's laws, people in the OT were to put away their wives, even ones they had children with, because God was more concerned with their well being. God is no different now. If you are in a bad marriage because of abuse, leave, and know that God will be behind you 100%.
 
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While I do have the fornication/adultery clause on my side , I did face the issue while I was seperated of "what if...." What if my ex would have left me because she no longer loved me or because she though I was a jerk or whatever reason?? But there would have been no adultery on her part??

The thing is I would still have been lonely and heartbroken with no chance of reconciling with her. I decided after going through that , that abandonment for any reason would have still left me in the same situation. I wanted to move on with my life and get remarried. It still would have been the right thing for her to do to make her decision final so that I could be free to choose my own path. Since she no longer wanted to be with me , it was right for her to go ahead with the divorce.

It would be different if a spouse seperated with the hope of possibly reconciling at some point. But when a spouse has no intention of ever going back , they have a responsibility to do the right thing and file for divorce. That allows their ex to grieve and to accept that the marriage is over. Remaining marryed gives the ex false hope and keeps them stuck in that "waiting" and hoping phase.

It never ceases to amaze me how legalistic and technical the church can get about such things. As though God is somehow fooled by our technicalities. If a woman is no longer living with her husband and is permenantly seperated, not getting a divorce is just a technicality. She has still left her husband.......

But be encouraged.....You have not sinned by leaving an abusive husband.
 
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Svt4Him said:
God is more concerned with your safety. After reading God's laws, people in the OT were to put away their wives, even ones they had children with, because God was more concerned with their well being. God is no different now. If you are in a bad marriage because of abuse, leave, and know that God will be behind you 100%.

Thank you, I agree 100%. I was at one point very confused, and yes I still am,although I am in control of myself and I am more confused on the positive side of divorce/remarriage rather than the negative b/c I just need to vent and ask questions that don't make sense to make them make sense, I have yet found anyone that can answer some of my questions scriputurlly, basically without debate just trying to get an answer that would make me rethink my understandings. But nothing. Which is good because I feel like my years of hard work and prayer will pay off for me.
 
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God is more concerned with your safety. After reading God's laws, people in the OT were to put away their wives, even ones they had children with, because God was more concerned with their well being. God is no different now. If you are in a bad marriage because of abuse, leave, and know that God will be behind you 100%.
AMEN.

God has called us to peace.
 
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What if you left and remarried before becoming Christian? I am here, today, with vows made in good faith to stand by someone as a husband, 'til death do us part. I reject any theological speculation which says I should break those vows.
 
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seebs said:
What if you left and remarried before becoming Christian? I am here, today, with vows made in good faith to stand by someone as a husband, 'til death do us part. I reject any theological speculation which says I should break those vows.

I also agree seebs, although God was not in my life when I chose to marry my husband, I took my vows seriously. I had no idea any views on marriage or divorce in the bible. I was a good wife according to the bible. I did make vows to him, AND I NEVER BROKE THEM, but my problem is that he has broken every vow to me, except being unfaithful sexually, I mean I can bring in his addiction to porn etc into play and that is a whole other area I do not care to discuss. But he cant be sorry for what he has done because he keeps doing it and can not undertand why I am upset. So that was the basis of one of my questions. Could I leave him and remarry before becoming a Christian would it make things more right for me? Or if I believe I am doing nothing wrong can I become a Christian now and then divorce him and then go on my soulmate journey? When we say our vows when we get married before others, where did they come from, there is nothing in the bible that says these are the vows that need to be said (nothing I have seen, so if you know of anything let me know :) Well if you want to say till death do us part, well he is dead to me for how he treated me. I am wrong because I don't submit to him and give him sex. Well sex is not just physcial sex is an intimate act of two people loving each other to the highest level. There are other ways of showing that love, and if those other ways are not met then the physical means nothing, the fact he still wanted sex with me, just shows physcial desire not love. I would feel like nothing more than a prostitute if I slept with him again because I dont respect trust or love him in that way for betraying me so badly.
 
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SirKenin said:
And how you achieve that peace is to leave the man and remain single. Not remarry. You can't use that line as an excuse to sin and get away with it.

How can one achieve peace, if they are being divorced, or dealt with treacherously against their will and all they wanted in life was to have a family and grow old with someone. What a slap in the face to either be divorced wrongfully or be abused and you choose to divorce. Celibacy is not for all but only those that can accept it. And a woman for example who is young and has small children and a whole life ahead of her can not accept that if a man comes into her life, and again if someone chooses that life great for them, but demanding it because one is divorced is not right and the bible does not state that if you put all the verses together.
 
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The thing is I would still have been lonely and heartbroken with no chance of reconciling with her. I decided after going through that , that abandonment for any reason would have still left me in the same situation. I wanted to move on with my life and get remarried. It still would have been the right thing for her to do to make her decision final so that I could be free to choose my own path. Since she no longer wanted to be with me , it was right for her to go ahead with the divorce.

But be encouraged.....You have not sinned by leaving an abusive husband.

Thank you Yitzchak!

That is also one of my points although I never stated it yet. Separtation is hard on everyone. Of course one would be lonely and heartbroken and there are many support groups for that, but imagine my suprise when I learned after I was married and abused about all this debate in the bible. I could have simply turned my back on it but I want whats right and I want to be a good Christian. Anyways I am not alone unfortunatly divorce and separtion hits alot of us. It is one thing to be depressed and lonely because you are getting divorced but imagine the blow to the gut hurts when you are told AND THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU CAN NEVER REMARRY. So that makes the lonliness and heartbreak unimaginable to bear. I know there are alot on my side and there are alot that are not on my side. I am not looking for sides to favor with me, I am just looking for peace of mind, body and soul. I can't begin to explain the sleepless nights, the crying myself to sleep at night, the withdrawing from everyone. But thankfully I am over that and on a new journey :)
 
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babyangel said:
How can one achieve peace, if they are being divorced, or dealt with treacherously against their will and all they wanted in life was to have a family and grow old with someone. What a slap in the face to either be divorced wrongfully or be abused and you choose to divorce. Celibacy is not for all but only those that can accept it. And a woman for example who is young and has small children and a whole life ahead of her can not accept that if a man comes into her life, and again if someone chooses that life great for them, but demanding it because one is divorced is not right and the bible does not state that if you put all the verses together.

There's always the option of leaving the man until he gets help and then go back. It's not like you don't have choices. You just opted not to use them because they didn't suit your lifestyle or make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
 
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babyangel said:
Thank you Yitzchak!

That is also one of my points although I never stated it yet. Separtation is hard on everyone. Of course one would be lonely and heartbroken and there are many support groups for that, but imagine my suprise when I learned after I was married and abused about all this debate in the bible. I could have simply turned my back on it but I want whats right and I want to be a good Christian. Anyways I am not alone unfortunatly divorce and separtion hits alot of us. It is one thing to be depressed and lonely because you are getting divorced but imagine the blow to the gut hurts when you are told AND THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU CAN NEVER REMARRY. So that makes the lonliness and heartbreak unimaginable to bear. I know there are alot on my side and there are alot that are not on my side. I am not looking for sides to favor with me, I am just looking for peace of mind, body and soul. I can't begin to explain the sleepless nights, the crying myself to sleep at night, the withdrawing from everyone. But thankfully I am over that and on a new journey :)
Hi babyangel,

I am one of many on your side. Many people in this forum are also on your side. I'm glad you are in good spirits and ready to move on with your life. :clap: Ignore those who are negative on this forum. Many of us have been divorced and remarried and we are tremendously blessed by God. Be assured that God loves you and will never leave you. God knows your heart and no one has the right to judge you.

I will keep you in my prayers. May God lift you up and shower you with many blessings as you embark on your new journey. :angel:
 
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SirKenin said:
There's always the option of leaving the man until he gets help and then go back. It's not like you don't have choices. You just opted not to use them because they didn't suit your lifestyle or make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

So how long does one wait, do I wait until we are both 70? what happens if I wait and he remarries, I am to remain single. For me it is not the sex trust me I have lived without it for almost 2 years. I do however hate being alone and I do not want to be alone for the rest of my life. I need help with my girls. One is somewhat special needs, and actually this is why I am home posting today so much because she has been in the hospital this week for her asthma. That is another problem being single. I dont have the insurance and well if I miss a few days of work, thats it nothing to fall back on. Since my husband does not support me or the kids either. He said he has gotten help. But he is still puffing of his fun stuff. Still manipulating me. etc I am to accept this is what God wants for me? And to just stick it out and wait for this person worse than an unbeliever to come to his senses? Which may never happen. Sorry but that would lead me down a path of depression again. Making someone feel that guilty about doing nothing wrong and having to face a life of lonliness I could see making one suicidal. Although I have common sense not to do anything harmful, in my prayers I have stated that if life for me is to remain single because I have to not because I want to, then take me now. Again, this also makes me want to teach my children to never marry. And it makes me angry and bitter at my husband when I shouldnt be. All because I am stuck to him. Now I ask you this, would God want me behaving that way because I am stuck? Where is the peace? There would never be peace, if one day he came to his senses and we got back together fine. But why live on hopes and dreams of it not happening. He has also stated he hates being sexless (he doesnt miss me just sex) so he said he would divorce me so he could help himself so to speak. What I am jsut to accept it and be a peace and say ok I will remain single. I am an awful human being who doesnt deserve love or to be loved? Ok I can not go here, it is still touchy for me to talk about. Those impositions are ones that not everyone can live with, and great even if it is the ideal it is still not meant for all. Only those that can accept it. So it is advised also that a widow if young with children to remarry for the help, how is a woman who is abused and left by her husband any different, doesnt she need the help and companionship? In fact I am lead to believe that a widow is also a woman that has been abandoned according to the bible, I am sorry I cant remember the verse right now. I am still waiting for a response to are u married do not seek to be loosened are you loosed do not seek to be married but if you do marry you have not sinned and if a virgin marries she has not sinned. All divorce is divorce you are loosened from that person. If divorce was not allowed then the law in todays custom would not be doing it. It is legal and following according to the laws of the bible. Can I ask you. If I was divorced would I have every right to go to my ex and his new wife and say make room for me he is still my husband? Is that not poligamy?
 
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