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Pyramids and the flood

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There is no such thing as Biblical cosmology. Conflating the two with imagination is all you are doing.
There is:

When you're ready to come to terms with this, I'd be happy to discuss. Otherwise, all the best.











 
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When were the pyramids built? Was it before or after the flood?
Most before. I heard or read that They just discovered the largest pyramid in south America some place. I was going to check into it. I will post if I find it. But it's destruction may have nothing to do with Noahs flood but with the Turtle Island event which happened at the same time as Galgamechs flood and that isnt a real flood but sea levels fell 1250 ft . And also Joshua's long day and also what my native ancestors here call the Turtle Island event. So about 900 to maybe1000 years after the flood. You see there is many castistrophic events no one knows to even ask about. Gilgamesh was about the 13 or 14th king of sumeria kings list. And the first king was Elishah grandson of Noah , them Elissa and they were usurped And Mene / MN. WHO MURDERED THE GREAT KINGS. SO BETWEEN THE FLOOD AND THE TURTLE ISLAND EVENT IS WHEN MENES TOOK HIS WARS WORLD WIDE AND MOST OF THE PYRAMIDS WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT, THEN . BUT CASTASTROPHIC EVENTS OF JOSHUAS LONG DAY , THE FALL OF SEA LEVELS AROUND ATLANTIS , AND WHAT IS CALLED THE TURTLE ISLAND AND REV 12 FLOOD EVENT AND GALGAMESH FLOOD HERE HAPPENED. SO IF YOU RESEACH THE ALIGEWI VS MENGEWI WARS SO THEY WERE BEFORE GALGAMESHES FLOOD AND AFTER NOAHS FLOOD AND BEFORE JOSHUAS LONG DAY ECT. THE MENGEWI WARS WENT ON FOR MANY YEARS. AS YOU CAN RESEARCH THE WAR OF HELEN OF TROY FOR AN EXAMPLE. IF YOU KNOW THE NAMES INVOLVED THEY ARE A CLUE.

YOU CAN ALSO STUDY " NARMERS PALLETE " A SON OR GRANDSON OF MN. MN/MENE THE FIRST PHAROAH . THE PALLETE REVEALS THE BEGINING OF THE " PLEAIDES " WHICH are THE 7 STARS IN JESUS HAND , AND THUS (ALICIONE AND HER SIX DAUGHTERS MEMORIALIZED IN THE STARS for A PROPHESY SAKE ) she IS THAT LITTLE GIRL ON THE PALLETE -IS ALICIONE HERSELF. WITH THE TWO SONS OF ATTALUS / ATLAS / Elissa - son of Kit , great grandson OF JAPHETH . So Menes world usurping wars.. / aka "mengewi wars " and the thus usurping the queens buying and selling queens and their trading port city states, and that was world wide. See Helen.

NOW IT ALSO REVEALS ALICIONE DEAD BROTHERS , THEY TAKE A ROLL IN THE COMING OF JESUS AND THE RESTORATION OF EVERYTHING STOLEN BEING RESTORED . BUT THAT IS A VERY LONG STORY FOR A DIFFERENT THREAD. ONE MORE CENTERED ON TYRE AND ISRAEL. YOUR PYRAMIDS ARE WORLD WIDE RESULTS OF MENES mengewi wars WARS. AND was before the BIBLICAL, JOSHUAS LONG DAY all the rest i mentioned, as a reference in all those places ) so when studying north and south America's buried pryamid would be pre Turtle island . A degraded pyramid might be post turtle island . The main casstrophic event was centered on. North America, with many effects on north Africa Europe, and everywhere . these i would all be signs of water damage. Like the Great plains and all sandy deserts that still can't grow anything . Because about 3400 years ago they were the bottom of the ocean. But stuff happens .

DOES THAT GIVE YOU SOME TIME FRAMES TO START A SEARCH? Or Boxes to put your findings into ?
 
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None of the videos that you are posting hold any scriptural support or value.

Genesis was written by Moses to simply provide a historical account of Creation up to the Israelites settling in Egypt and their captivity. Historical accounts are not written for or targeted to any specific audience.

There are no cosmological views of the universe by Ancient Israelites in the Bible.

As noted by Moses, Creation occurred approximately 6000 years ago and was completed by God in 6 days. That would be the starting point of any Cosmological discussion.
 
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From memory Noahs flood was suppose to happen around 2350BCE. This is interesting when comparfed to the Egyptian Dynasty timeline. This more or less aligns with an intermediate period between the 6th and 11th dynasties where Egypt didn't have a Kingdom or line of pharoahs.

The 11th dynasty according to mainstream archology began around 2134BCE. The last pharoah of the old kingdom Menkaure ended in 2504BCE. So somewhere in that intermediate period the flood was suppose to happen.

The interesting thing is if this is the case then pror to the flood we see a period where its seems the Egyptians peaked with the mega pyramids and all the precision vases, statues and boxes and then the flood comes and wipes them out.

Then the Egyptians rise up again in the 11th dynasty which is the beginning of the Middle KIngdom only they never recapture the level of works before the flood. They never build mega pyramids or replicate the pricision works.

In fact it seems like Ramese the 2nd they find these pre flood megaliths and precision staues and works and make claim to them as though they made them as it seems no one of his time could reproduce such amazing works.

Its almost as the pre flood tech was lost and the post flood Egyptians were trying to replicate this. Like the had come along and found these great5 works abandoned. Many of these ancient works like 100 foot statues and pillars were found broken and in ruin scattered across the plateau.

The other interesting thing is that the MIddle Kingdom is also the period when the Isrealites are enslaved.
 
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Well their Egyptian time lines have been proven to be off.
which messes up everything it touches. For a quick time Biblical line. Adam eve. To 1700 noahs flood , + Jesus to current time 2033 , = about 3733 , so 6000 - 3733= 2267 the time frames between noahs flood and Jesus can not be longer than about 2267. And from the stars I will guess 2040 is close to the end as anyone could guess. Anyway between noahs flood and Joshua's long day is when most if not maybe all of the pyramids were built. Including those world wide mengewi wars effects ... Now those under the current oceans and under 1250 ft might be pre flood. And that calculation might not hold true the closer you get to 5he atlantic and in North and South America, b3cause wecant tell exactly what was effected and how it was changed So tech would have been lost at Joshua's long day / Gilgamesh flood also because of the loss of lifestyle at the catostrophic event they would have lost tech.. what for sure they lost all tech related to copper. Because the iron age starts just after joshuasl9ng day with the loss of north americas copper mines , so the bronze age ends. B3causeall of a sudden no one can find north American to get their copper.

There is a very good documentary of finding the Jews in Egypt on youtube. But because of scients ideas of the Egyptian dynasties had eliminated the jews from Egypt. Then thinking they had the right to call the Bible bogus. But in the documentry they find the problem then find the Jews.
OK in rev 12, the holy spirit in allegory is telling a history and possible prophesy of what will be someday .. but it for sure is a history. So a flood is created by The dragon, YOU CAN SEE THE DRAGON AT surpent mound. At one of the Rhynie stone, . And at whispering cairn you can see what they saw and what caused the earth to swallow up the waters as the prophetic picture states.
And where those waters went. So pre that event as seen at serpent mound the land masses were in the shape of an eye, possibly in the shape kind of like Horus or Ra eye. I just know ancient natives Americans viewed the island formed as an eye as seen at serpent mound. And that at the time of the turtle Island event the islands moved and the land masses changed. Now the Rhynie Stone shows the earth becoming square - er, which has to mean the mountains rose or the water fell or some combination of both. That was galgameshes flood, Joshua's long day, the turtle island event and bronze age collapse, the buring of Atlantis ( it is not buried it is at 1250 feet but was nearly ground zero for what is happening on the whispering cairn stones. The event that did something tramendous to the mountains and islands.. moving them, raising or lowering some or all of them. Figuring out what all was effected and how could be nearly impossible now. All I do know is Jesus was changing the world for Aliciones sake. And scenarios. Do Fathers will for the end of days senarios.
So between ham, shem and JAPHETH, Ham,s children/ family of nations / cousins usurped JAPHETH children/ family of nations ( this includes Tyre and all of Uz which is all Israel/ and more. But hams children created many evils in the world and took their wars world wide when the world was still in the shape of an eye of Islands. That is why Amazonian Indians still do Greek naked wrestling.. and why most of the tribes who wear red paint can tell you which sister of the PLEAIDES they come from. I and my grandmothers ( really spelled (Queen = Aliq)Quippa ' but you must search it with out the first q )were from oldest sister Maya.
MAYAN QUEEN, YOLIK NAL , Yolik and Aliq ( and aka "Ollie " her daughter). means queen. Queen priestess.. in freisan the word ... unique means Queen and in Mayan a Unique is a priest. Aliq Quippa is where i got the stories I had to finally reconcile other nations eye witnessed recorded history with.. They were queens and minchah = tributary. And history keepers and priestesses. .. see Desoto for a pre and first contact veiw. So for now that is the best I can reconcile the stories passed to me.
So no one but God who was also there has a grasp true history. So let's not be surprized when science has history wrong . So between MN the first Pharoah and Joshua's long day most of the pyramids were built and the mengewi wars usurped the nations.
 
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The problem I see is even if we disregard the timeline we have a situation where we have a more or less continuios history of Egyptian dynasties with a couple of intermediate periods.

Its not like the Egyptians completely disappeared after the flood. It seems they just continued their dynasties. Though the old Kingdom tech (mega pyramids and precision works) disappeared the structures and even smaller objects like vases and statues were still in their places and not wiped away.

The following dynasties just continued to work with them as though they were part of their history that could be traced back well before the flood.

I thought the flood was suppose to wipe out all traces of civilisation. Its as though the Egyptians still have links with their preflood ancestors as tough they are part of the one world and just had an interuption with the flood.
 
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Well, this alternative understanding would fit well with the view that the flood was local. Numbers 13:33 also tells us that the giant nephilim were still around as well, like Goliath that David later had to defeat.
 
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Well, this alternative understanding would fit well with the view that the flood was local. Numbers 13:33 also tells us that the giant nephilim were still around as well, like Goliath that David later had to defeat.
I don't think its works with a local flood either as its fitting the time line into the 6,000 year period. Theres too many dynasties and predynasties for example of Egyptians to have enough time to fit them in.

In fact some evidence has the pre dynastic Egyptians going back 30,000 years. We know of the granite vases found under Djosers Stepped pyramid go back at least 5,000 years if not longer. Similar vases were found in burial pits dated around 15,000 years ago.

Prehistoric Burials in Ancient Egypt Paleolithic Burials
Qadan burials dating to between 14,000 and 12,000 B.C. (late Paleolithic) have been excavated at Gebel Sahaba (near Wadi Halfa in Lower Nubia).
Prehistoric Burials in Ancient Egypt Paleolithic Burials | Ancient Egypt Online

Even the Sphinx is said to be 10,000 plus in age due to water erosion around it. We have dated Djoser to around 2,600BCE. But we have to remember that all his great works came after 100s if not 1,000s of years before he made his pyramid. We have many Mustabas that predated the dynastics Egyptians and the pyramids. .

Starting in the Predynastic era (before 3100 BCE) and continuing into later dynasties, the ancient Egyptians developed increasingly complex and effective methods for preserving and protecting the bodies of the dead. They first buried their dead in pit graves dug from the sand with the body placed on a mat, usually along with some items believed to help them in the afterlife. The first tomb structure the Egyptians developed was the mastaba, composed of earthen bricks made from soil along the Nile.
 
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I don't think its works with a local flood either as its fitting the time line into the 6,000 year period. Theres too many dynasties and predynasties for example of Egyptians to have enough time to fit them in.
Many local flood advocates are also not YEC or otherwise do not agree with James Ussher on the idea of adding up ages and all that. So there is no tight timeline issue.

Sure.


Yup.
 
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There it is. The First Egyptian Pharoah was the grandson of Ham cousins of Cush and Canaan and more. The noahs flood was in Hams

There it is. Menes the first Pharoah is a grandson of Ham. Cousins of Cush and Canaan and more, these cousins went to war to usurp the sea traders / Javan's family with marriages related to Job probably shemite family who the Greeks or canaanites called Jebus.. sound familiar ? It is the name of Jerusalem before it was renamed Jerusalem. Because it was before MN /Menes the Egyptian and it was Job's families city one of his daughters inhereitances.

See Narmers pallete for the take over and the beheading of" the Great Kings" really called Baals ( that means owners husbands). Each of Baal /baalims With wife controlled and protected their Eye world wide trading networks of city states and large trading ports. When the sea levels was about 1250 higher Jebus / Aka Jerusalem was a port city. And probably Ali cione / aliZions inheritance. That little girl on Nar ers Pallette and the lady memorialized by the Plieades / and as the 7 stars in Jesus hand.

Now so there is no way a grandson of Noah could be the first Pharoah before Noahs flood. Noahs flood was complete and extensive.. But MN could be the first Pharoah before Gelgameshes "flood" ( Rev 12 flood )which was not really a flood but a watery catastrophic event that has confused everyone since forever . These things has never been understood that there was at least Three world changing events as recoded in history by those who lived through them.
So from Ham to Jesus or now is the only time frame mankind can veiw . But in the Middle of that time was the Rev 12 flood like event that resulted in watery movement and in sea levels ulimately falling 1245 -' 1250ft. And whole continents being created in the catastrophe. Water damage everywhere but here in north America should appear be around 1250 feet, like Goblikly type being covered could be from Gelgameshes water event / aka Rev 12 event aka turtle island event aka the burying Of Atlantis aka Joshua's long day and many more names,
 
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Ps the the damage done to everything during a catastrophic event is misused. With the damage in the catastrophe is viewed as age and the actual cause of the aging is ignored. EVEN whole ice ages WITH UNTOLD NUMBERS OF IMAGINARY YEARS could be created where none exsisted, because of the water damage THE ILLUSIONS THAT EXSIST ONLY IN THE THEORIES OF MEN.. WHO REFUSE TO EVEN ACKNOWLDGE ANYTHING THAT CAN REMOTELY BE CAUSED BY WATER. FEARING SOMEONE MIGHT SEE NOAHS FLOOD IN IT. IT IS JUST TO PAINFUL TO SEE WATER DAMAGE SO THEY GIVE THE CREDIT TO TIME. THEY LIKE MAKING TIME / to give time the credit AND they like ICE damage , with ice they can MAKE TIME TOO so they see ice. Plus cosmic involved catastrophes and the radio active elements they do not know the effect nor the laws of that kind of exposer . Pre Noah flood there was zero radio active elements in any part of that environment. Which make everything look older bcause of their wrong theories. That makes pre Noah appears to be very very old. But it is some faulty conclusions, MEN LIVED NEARLY 1000 YEARS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO KIND OF RADIATION in that world. And the light of the Sun never touched them , except it was filtered by "the waters above " first. Thus no radiation got through or was created by the filtered light.
 
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Did you make all that up? It's certainly not in scripture and it doesn't come from science, so if not from your imagination, where did it come from?
 
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Did you make all that up? It's certainly not in scripture and it doesn't come from science, so if not from your imagination, where did it come from?
Is that the only places you seek information from ? Who is the bible about mostly ? And what time.? Is that the only place and is that the only people and is that the only time ?

If you must inquire about other times or places or other people , who must you ask ? Who was there too who saw it also ? Re. 19 states " the testemony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophesy", Jesus took his church out of "the Fathers / word/ laws . HE PUT HIS CHURCH WITH THE MOTHERS / THE PROPHETS AND HIS CHURCH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. PRAY THE PRAYERS HE told TO THE LEODICEANS BECAUSE THE FACT THEY DIDNT FIND A NEED OR A LOVE THAT HELPED THEM SEE WHAT FATHER IS DOING SO that HE can LOVE OTHERS THE way THAT Jesus did Fathers will and loved others. So JUST ASK Jesus, JAJ, just BECAUSE PEOPLE WONT ask him for the whole truth does not mean he cant tell you the whole truth. Because he is the eye witnessed to all history. He lead me to things i needed to know to do Fathers plan for me and to thus gain my inheritance in the next age. IF I OVERCOME.. but forever he will never say to me " I never knew you " and I can not say I don't know him.
 
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Well, this alternative understanding would fit well with the view that the flood was local. Numbers 13:33 also tells us that the giant nephilim were still around as well, like Goliath that David later had to defeat.
I don't think those are nephelim. As a native American i believe Goliath was like our natives here , he was a head shaper and why a rock could penitrate his scull and why he grew so large. Years and generations of + growth hormones from their whole societies petuitary glands. But That is just my opinion . I don't
Think that exposing Goliath's vulnerability does not takes away from David or God. Just because Davd didn't know doesn't change the wonder of that incredable story.

Now knowing that cultural volnerability It might have changed the opinion of the Isrealities when entering the promised land the first time.
 
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Many local flood advocates are also not YEC or otherwise do not agree with James Ussher on the idea of adding up ages and all that. So there is no tight timeline issue.


Sure.



Yup.
Thats why I think it makes most sense that if humans were fairly developed 15,000 years ago that the massive floods during the Younger Dryas for which we have evidence for such as the Scablands in North America and the massive scarring of bedrock from flood waters across North Africa and flooding of the Black and Mediterranean sea.

This was the biggest flood in the last 20,000 years and probably happened around the end of the last ice age 12 to 14,000 years ago. It came at a time when humans had developed a level of religious belief that could create stories that attributed the flood to the gods. But 1,000s of years later God revealed that this flood came from the one true God and was Noahs flood.

But humans naturally could develop stories about the flood coming from the gods before Moses wrote about Noahs flood. Just like humans knew about gods before Abraham revealed the one true God Yahwah. God fullfilled or rather clarified to us that all these flood stories that were already ingrained in humans due to a real event 1,000s of years earlier was fullfilled in Noahs flood.
 
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I think that they are nephelim because that's what the Bible says:

Numbers 13:33 ESV
[33] And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

Joshua 11:22 ESV
22 There was none of the Anakim left in the land of the people of Israel. Only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod did some remain.

Gath is where the remnant it the Anakim remained, the sons of Anak. Home of Goliath.

1 Samuel 17:23 ESV
[23] As he talked with them, behold, the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, came up out of the ranks of the Philistines and spoke the same words as before. And David heard him.
 
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You have the right to see it however you want too. But here is my oppinion. But it is just an opinion.

Oh it is true that is what they said and what they thought. But fear is a liar. Those same folks died in the desert because of their fear / lack of faith. What is not proven is that Anak was a real son of a demon/ fallen angel / or even a "Son of God " who by the way is the only ones who had the equiptment to do that deed. . That is not explained nor proven in His Word.

What is sure is that head shaping cultures proven to be in that area , and that all by itself can cause a man to grow into giants because it puts pressure on the pituitary gland as if he had a growth on it. . Causing those cultures to appear as if they were the preflood nephilim, but the real nephilim were sons of the Sons of God. There is two major issues with the chilren from the sons of God , one being that those children could live forever. And we know why God did not want that. And a unknown truth is that the perfected Sons of God was not 9nly did they live forever their seed / sperm did too,, they had no death in them. So armies of eternal children were being produced by even only one women, and every woman who had been taken by the sons of God. But these children might have been pre flood head shaping cultures also ! Remember one reason God Had the flood was because of their murders and warring.

. But the sons of Canaanites and or the sons of Ham were not sons of fallen angels nor the sons of God. The scriptures provide no proof of such an incursion of fallen angels / or the sons of God.. what is true is Only that there was giants after the flood. Also. But there is head shaping cultures after the flood also. So personally unless Jesus tells me that there was an incursion of " the sons of God " mating with women after the flood and there is no such mention in scriptures . Because truthfully fallen angels can not mate with women.

Jesus is very clear angels have no sexual organs to produce children . . ANAK was probably just a man in a warring culture that practiced headshaping to get advantages for war purposes. That is all just my opinion from what I see in the Word. Think about that area of the world and what they might do to win a war ? Including putting bombs on their own children, those are warring cultures and always have been.
 
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I'd say that you're confused about the topic and are inventing random ideas in it that are not there. The Bible, for example, does not say that fallen angels cannot mate with human women. And Jesus never said otherwise.

 
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I'd say that you're confused about the topic and are inventing random ideas in it that are not there. The Bible, for example, does not say that fallen angels cannot mate with human women. And Jesus never said otherwise.
So it appears Jesus is clearly saying in ( mark 12, matt 22, Luke 20 ) that those ressurrected from " the dead" will not be able to marry and they will be like the angels who can not marry. There is no word and no concept of sex in the bible. As it is either marriage or fornication. A man and a woman can marry only in a bedroom.. a man and a man can only fornicate in a bedroom. A man and a book can only fornicate.. we don't understand it h
His way .. we in this culture have created all kinds THINGS THAT GOD DOES NOT DEFINE LIKE THAT. . Because what happens IN Front of the preacher isn't the marriage, that is like baptism only the public acknowledgement of OUR very private.choices. marriage is the word sex in the bible. The angels dont marry . They can't go like that. And neither will the ones ressurrected from " the dead".

BUT RIGHT THERE HE IS TRYING TO FIX THEIR CONCEPT, HE IS SAYING THERE IS OPTIONS TO BEING RAISED "FROM THE DEAD" and that IS TO BE COUNTED WITH THE LIVING, and that MEANS THERE IS MARRIAGE FOR THE LIVING! THE CHILDREN OF GOD WILL MARRY/ BOND/ HAVE SEX. BECAUSE THE LAWFUL WILL BE LAWFUL.

He is clearly stating that Angels are sexless beings. AND SO WILL BE ANY FOUND WORTHY WHO ARE RAISED FROM THE DEAD.
 
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Already addressed. No one is speaking of marriage in heaven here:
 
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