Pyramids and the flood

Eternally Grateful said:

Moses was born how many years after the flood?

If you do not believe god breathed the words of Moses how can you believe scripture?

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Well, thats why I asked you the question above. That is, where do you think Adams name came from? What are it's origins? I never said anything about whether or not the text was God breathed.

Job 33:6 said:

And just to return to my comment from before. If we follow traditional understandings of the topic, it is not any different today than it always was.

Also, personally I live in a region that is getting more and more rain each year, so I'm not sure what you mean with that last comment.

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There was no rain before the flood. For 100 years. It seems maybe longer That would be a sandy desert today not a land lush with trees to build an ark and vegitation to put on the ark

Job 33:6 said:

Well, thats why I asked you the question above. That is, where do you think Adams name came from? What are its origins? I never said anything about whether or not the text was God breathed.

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1 Adam is and English translation of the Hebrew word Noah used

2 the word is “ha-Adam”. The defenition is the man. Mankind, the person so is it really a name or a title. Just like Christ was a title not a name

Ie in Adam all die in Christ shall all be made alive

Eternally Grateful said:

1 Adam is and English translation of the Hebrew word Noah used

2 the word is “ha-Adam”. The defenition is the man. Mankind, the person so is it really a name or a title. Just like Christ was a title not a name

Ie in Adam all die in Christ shall all be made alive

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"the man" ha-adam, or in Hebrew it's simply "Adam" or "man / mankind". Also related to the word "adama" for "ground" or "earth", another hebrew word.

A Hebrew word with a Hebrew meaning.

And Eve is similar. Eve is the Hebrew word for "life".

So, who gave Adam and Eve their names ( Hebrew words for "mankind" and "life")? Do you think that God spoke Hebrew? Or do you think that Adam spoke Hebrew?

Eternally Grateful said:

yes they do. from the people who came here after the tower of babel.

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No the descendants of Cain who crafted many things of metallurgy. Built massive cities around the world. Cain was the first mega structure builder.

Job 33:6 said:

"the man" ha-adam, or in Hebrew it's simply "Adam" or "man / mankind". Also related to the word "adama" for "ground" or "earth", another hebrew word.

A Hebrew word with a Hebrew meaning.

And Eve is similar. Eve is the Hebrew word for "life".

So, who gave Adam and Eve their names ( Hebrew words for "mankind" and "life")? Do you think that God spoke Hebrew? Or do you think that Adam spoke Hebrew?

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I think we can not know Adam’s real name God gave Moses his name in Hebrew

I do not think we know Adam’s language

BeyondET said:

No the descendants of Cain who crafted many things of metallurgy. Built massive cities around the world. Cain was the first mega structure builder.

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Yes. And they were proficient in iron

But either way the flood would have destroyed any structure

Again god tile Peter that world perished in the flood

Eternally Grateful said:

Yes. And they were proficient in iron

But either way the flood would have destroyed any structure

Again god tile Peter that world perished in the flood

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A olive leaf survived, certainly structures can survive.

Eternally Grateful said:

I think we can not know Adam’s real name God gave Moses his name in Hebrew

I do not think we know Adam’s language

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So we don't know Adams real name, but God knows what it is. God named Adam something, whatever that might be. Then God subsequently switched to the Hebrew language and spoke in Hebrew to Moses? But didn't give Adam's original name to Moses? Is that what you're saying?

So is that how God shares the whole book of Genesis? God just spoke Hebrew the whole time and Moses just copied everything down verbatim?

Job 33:6 said:

So we don't know Adams real name, but God knows what it is. God named Adam something, whatever that might be. Then God subsequently switched to the Hebrew language and spoke in Hebrew to Moses? But didn't give Adam's original name to Moses? Is that what you're saying?

So is that how God shares the whole book of Genesis? God just spoke Hebrew the whole time and Moses just copied everything down verbatim?

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So God, when he went to Moses, I wonder if in Hebrew, he was like "their names are "humanity" and "life".

And Moses was like "Got it, thanks God, so the serpent deceived life and she gave the apple to humanity and he ate it".

Job 33:6 said:

So we don't know Adams real name, but God knows what it is. God named Adam something, whatever that might be. Then God subsequently switched to the Hebrew language and spoke in Hebrew to Moses? But didn't give Adam's original name to Moses? Is that what you're saying?

So is that how God shares the whole book of Genesis? God just spoke Hebrew the whole time and Moses just copied everything down verbatim?

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no I never said this. I wish you would pay attention. Because i already said God gave moses adams hebrew name

God switched to hebrew Language? God spoke to Moses in his language. Why would he speak to moses in any other language?

BeyondET said:

A olive leaf survived, certainly structures can survive.

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An olive tree survived? Where do you get this?

Job 33:6 said:

So God, when he went to Moses, I wonder if in Hebrew, he was like "their names are "humanity" and "life".

And Moses was like "Got it, thanks God, so the serpent deceived life and she gave the apple to humanity and he ate it".

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Lol

Look up the hebrew defenition of adam.

I can only Go by what the language says.. I do not question it,

God said the old earth perished in a flood

I do not question this

God said the highest mountain was covered, meaning the whole earth was flooded.

I do not question it

God said he created the world in 6 days and rested the 7th.

I do not question it

God said Adam was the first human.Made from the dust of the ground, and eve, the first woman, was created using a rib of adam.

I do nto question it

Eternally Grateful said:

Lol

Look up the hebrew defenition of adam.

I can only Go by what the language says.. I do not question it,

God said the old earth perished in a flood

I do not question this

God said the highest mountain was covered, meaning the whole earth was flooded.

I do not question it

God said he created the world in 6 days and rested the 7th.

I do not question it

God said Adam was the first human.Made from the dust of the ground, and eve, the first woman, was created using a rib of adam.

I do nto question it

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I'm just asking what you believe.

"God gave moses adams hebrew name"

Ok.

So God speaks to Moses in the Hebrew language, because that's what adam is. It's a Hebrew word.

"God switched to hebrew Language? God spoke to Moses in his language. Why would he speak to moses in any other language?"

Yes, so you believe that God originally, with Adam and Eve and whomever else in history, had some unknown language and names for them.

Then when Moses came around, God was like "well, I better speak in his language, so let me speak in Hebrew now".

And then God just laid out the whole story of Genesis in Hebrew, and instead of giving Moses Adam and Eve's original real names, because we don't know what their names were, God decides to switch to Hebrew, and God gave Moses the word "humanity" and "Life" in Hebrew, as their names.

Why not just give Moses, Adam and Eve's original names? Why would God change their names?

Job 33:6 said:

the serpent deceived life and she gave the apple to humanity and he ate it".

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Many people think the fruit was an apple but this is wrong.
The Hebrew Bible doesn't specify what type of fruit Adam and Eve ate.
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The first mention of a type of fruit in the Bible.

“And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew
that they were naked; and the sewed fig-leaves together,
and made themselves girdles” (Genesis 3:7).

It’s this biblical mention of fig leaves that has led to a theory
that the forbidden fruit itself may have been a fig—that the
leaves were from one and the same tree.

Adam and Eve’s “fig-clothing”. The Hebrew word used for
“girdles” in Genesis 3:7 is hagora, literally a “belt.” Broad fig
leaves would have been akin to the typical tribal loincloths.

The earliest-discovered cultivated fruit is the fig.

It's labeled the “earliest known cultivated fruit crop,” and “perhaps the first
evidence anywhere of domesticated food production at the dawn of agriculture”

Figs are mentioned in connection to “fallen stars” Isaiah 34:4
a parallel New Testament verse, Revelation 6:13).

The pomegranate is another fruit often associated with
the two trees of the Garden of Eden. This fruit may be a fit
with the tree of life; the tabernacle and temple were heavily
decorated with carvings of pomegranates (Exodus 39; 1 Kings 7).

Whatever the case, it is generally agreed that the forbidden fruit
could not have been an apple.

Job 33:6 said:

I'm just asking what you believe.

"God gave moses adams hebrew name"

Ok.

So God speaks to Moses in the Hebrew language, because that's what adam is.

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No God speaks to Moses in the Hebrew language because that’s what Moses is

Job 33:6 said:

It's a Hebrew word.

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Yes with a Hebrew defenition which I gave

Job 33:6 said:

"God switched to hebrew Language? God spoke to Moses in his language. Why would he speak to moses in any other language?"

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I have literally no idea what you mean by God switched to the Hebrew language

God spoke to Moses in his language

Job 33:6 said:

Yes, so you believe that God originally, with Adam and Eve and whomever else in history, had some unknown language and names for them.

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All languages are known to God at the Tower of Babel there was one language. God them confused the languages. What was the origional? I don’t know how many languages did there become? I don’t know was Hebrew language one of them ? I don’t know. Chances are Hebrew is a mix of Abraham language and Egyptian language with the Jews being slaved for 400 years

Job 33:6 said:

Then when Moses came around, God was like "well, I better speak in his language, so let me speak in Hebrew now".

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Are you serious? If God came to speaking a language you do not know what good would it do?

Job 33:6 said:

And then God just laid out the whole story of Genesis in Hebrew, and instead of giving Moses Adam and Eve's original real names, because we don't know what their names were, God decides to switch to Hebrew, and God gave Moses the word "humanity" and "Life" in Hebrew, as their names.

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Shacking my head. It sounds as if you’re trying to confuse the issue. What point are you trying to make

Job 33:6 said:

Why not just give Moses, Adam and Eve's original names?

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You would have to ask him. Moses write down a name which in Hebrew means Nanking the man a oerson

Maybe that’s the name God gave him I was not there were you?

Eternally Grateful said:

No God speaks to Moses in the Hebrew language because that’s what Moses is

Yes with a Hebrew definition which I gave

I have literally no idea what you mean by God switched to the Hebrew language

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Well God wasn't speaking Hebrew to Adam and Eve, was he?

Eternally Grateful said:

God spoke to Moses in his language

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Yes, we got that part.

Eternally Grateful said:

All languages are known to God at the Tower of Babel there was one language. God them confused the languages. What was the origional? I don’t know how many languages did there become? I don’t know was Hebrew language one of them ? I don’t know. Chances are Hebrew is a mix of Abraham language and Egyptian language with the Jews being slaved for 400 years

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Sure.

Eternally Grateful said:

Are you serious? If God came to speaking a language you do not know what good would it do?

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I can understand names in other languages just fine. Hina is a popular Japanese name for example, and I don't need to speak Japanese to be able to understand that.

Eternally Grateful said:

Shacking my head. It sounds as if you’re trying to confuse the issue. What point are you trying to make

You would have to ask him. Moses wrote down a name which in Hebrew means Nanking the man a oerson

Maybe that’s the name God gave him I was not there were you?

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Hebrew didn't exist as a language in the time of Adam. There was no "humanity" and "life" in Hebrew back then.

So I have to wonder, why do you think that God would speak to Adam in some unknown language and that Adam had some sort of name, but nobody knows what it is? Then when Moses comes around centuries later, God switches over to Hebrew (because Hebrew wasn't originally around in the time of Adam) and God gives Adam a Hebrew name that he didn't have before (Adama or ha-adam/the-man). And then shares that new name with Moses, so that Moses would understand the story of life and humanity. Because surely Moses would have otherwise been confused if "the man" would have been given an actual name.

I'm not confusing the issue, I'm just trying to figure out how you rationalize simple things like cultural context in the Bible. And right now, all I'm getting is a lot of "I don't know," "I don't know," and "I don't know."

Well, if you don't know, then why are you trying to talk to other people about the Bible, as if you know these things?

Eternally Grateful said:

Are you serious? If God came to speaking a language you do not know what good would it do?

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Well that's a funny thing for a YEC to say. What if I adjusted this a little and said:

"Are you serious? If God came to Moses speaking about science (things like the age of the earth or the shape of the earth, or heliocentrism etc.) that he didn't know about, what good would it do" ?

Why, that's a great question. If God told Moses that the earth was spherical, heliocentric and billions of years old, don't you think that would confuse Moses?

These topics of advanced science would probably confuse Moses a little more than simply giving Adam a name aside from "the man".

"Moses, I know that you haven't invented airplanes and satellites and space shuttles yet, you haven't discovered the America's either, but just so you know, the planet is actually like a ball floating in empty space and there is an invisible force that keeps you from flying off of it when it spins. Oh and there are people that are be upside down on it, but don't worry, they won't fall off either." "These are important details for when I tell you about the global flood".

"And it's actually 4 and a half billion years old, good luck explaining all this to the Israelites"

Oh great! Thanks for explaining that one God!

Job 33:6 said:

Well that's a funny thing for a YEC to say. What if I adjusted this a little and said:

"Are you serious? If God came to Moses speaking about science (things like the age of the earth or the shape of the earth, or heliocentrism etc.) that he didn't know about, what good would it do" ?

Why, that's a great question. If God told Moses that the earth was spherical, heliocentric and billions of years old, don't you think that would confuse Moses?

"Moses, I know that you haven't invented airplanes and satellites and space shuttles yet, you haven't discovered the America's either, but just so you know, the planet is actually like a ball floating in empty space and there is an invisible force that keeps you from flying off of it when it spins. Oh and there are people that will be upside down on it, but don't worry, they won't fall off either." "These are important details for when I tell you about the global flood".

"And it's actually 4 and a half billion years old, good luck explaining all this to the Israelites"

Oh great! Thanks for explaining that one God!

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This is sarcasm of course. But think about it, Moses can't write about a global flood if he doesn't even know what a globe is. Moses can't write about the age of the earth, if he doesn't even know what the earth is.

Unless you want to reverse course and assume that God did not actually accommodate the ancient Hebrew-speaking audience, and that God gave them information that would just confuse them, such as the theory of general relativity and heliocentrism. You don't think that anyone would find it confusing that they didn't fall off the earth if it were spinning and flying through space at thousands of miles per hour?

You see? @Eternally Grateful.

And so, what most mainline Christians do is, we say exactly what you said. "What good would it be?".

Why would God use Hebrew to speak to Moses?

So that he could understand, of course we agree.

Why would God choose words like "humanity" and "life". Because that's who Adam and Eve are. They are representatives of humanity and life. Eve is the mother of all living and Adam represents all of us through sin and through identity as dust, among many other things. These words hold meaning specific to the cultural context of Moses.

God accommodated the story of Genesis to fit the audience so that they would understand it.

And everyone knows this. And so now we can ask, how far does that accommodation go?

Language is one of the easiest concepts for people to understand in terms of accommodation because it's so obvious to us that we are forced to think about it. Of course God would accommodate language.

But what if God accommodated more than just language, to make the Bible understandable?

What if God changed (or better yet, what if God allowed Moses to explain in his own personally selected hebrew words like "Adam and Eve, humanity and life") more than just Adam's name? We don't know what Adam's name originally was. But God accommodated, to a Hebrew concept (humanity) that people would understand in the Hebrew world.

And indeed, upon close study of this subject, it becomes clear that this is precisely what God did with many aspects of Genesis.

An alternative being that rather than a verbal dictation from God, God inspired the Biblical authors, and then the authors used their own language, words, culture etc. to write the story in their context. God isn't switching between half a dozen different languages throughout the Bible. Rather, God is letting human authors write the Bible through their own words and culture.

Job 33:6 said:

Well God wasn't speaking Hebrew to Adam and Eve, was he?


Yes, we got that part.


Sure.



I can understand names in other languages just fine. Hina is a popular Japanese name for example, and I don't need to speak Japanese to be able to understand that.


Hebrew didn't exist as a language in the time of Adam. There was no "humanity" and "life" in Hebrew back then.

So I have to wonder, why do you think that God would speak to Adam in some unknown language and that Adam had some sort of name, but nobody knows what it is? Then when Moses comes around centuries later, God switches over to Hebrew (because Hebrew wasn't originally around in the time of Adam) and God gives Adam a Hebrew name that he didn't have before (Adama or ha-adam/the-man). And then shares that new name with Moses, so that Moses would understand the story of life and humanity. Because surely Moses would have otherwise been confused if "the man" would have been given an actual name.

I'm not confusing the issue, I'm just trying to figure out how you rationalize simple things like cultural context in the Bible. And right now, all I'm getting is a lot of "I don't know," "I don't know," and "I don't know."

Well, if you don't know, then why are you trying to talk to other people about the Bible, as if you know these things?

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I am moving on. Your questions make no sense. And it appears you’re just arguing to argue. I am not going to sit hear and keep saying the same thing over and over and get mocked with the same questions which do not make sense

Once again I was not around when god spoke with adam

Moses was not around

God gave Moses his name

Moses wrote it down

We now have a defenition of that name we can look up

Nothing more needs said you either trust what Gid said and Moses wrote or you do not