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Putting The Punch In Punchlines

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Meet Larry the Cable Guy, arguably the most successful white comedian in America today.

You've probably heard of him since LTCG had the top-grossing comedy tour last year, beating Chris Rock. His latest album, The Right to Bare Arms, is the highest-charting comedy record since 1978. This CD is spotlighted at Target and other major department stores that rarely carry comedy discs. He also has a regular stage on the WB and Comedy Central as part of Blue Collar TV.

LTCG's core audience is the self-described "redneck" crowd, mostly in red states, that eat up his "white trash" humor like marshmallow fluff. But his popularity extends to the blue states, most recently evidenced by the fact that is headlining at San Jose's HP Pavilion this Sunday.

I've since listened to or read enough of his stuff to conclude that the success of his jokes rely upon his audience sharing specific values.

If you want a taste of his values, you can scan through his website "commentary" to discover that he repeatedly makes "ching chow ching chow" jokes about the Chinese, refers to Arabs as "back ass rag ****" while equating them all with terrorists, and makes similarly derogatory statements about women, every other racial minority, and gays and lesbians.

One of LTCG's routines consists of him standing on stage and spotting something behind him. "Aw, those are my shadows," he says, relieved. "I thought a couple black guys were sneaking up behind me." According to the May 5 issue of Rolling Stone, this joke kills.

Sure, nearly every comedian makes jokes like these that thrive on stereotypes. I'm not a comic, and I don't play one on TV, but I certainly plead guilty to writing material that depends upon the common (mis)perceptions of groups -- e.g., "all Irish people drink," "all Republicans are fluffers," "all Japanese men have nice buns," etc.

But whereas most comedians rely upon caricatures as harmless or outdated as Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation, LTCG sounds like he's doing warm-up for Alan Jackson's Aryan Nation.

When Larry cracks that "there'll be a new show out next week called Black Eye on the Queer Guy," it's hard to distinguish between the joke and a recipe for another Matthew Shepard.

Similarly, I don't think it's a stretch to conclude that when he does long rants justifying what took place in Abu Ghraib prison, millions of his fans have been validated or brainwashed into defending the US military's right to commit torture, in clear violation of international law.

For the record, I know that Larry the Cable Guy is a persona created by a man named Dan Whitney. But whether he believes what he says, his audience is clearly laughing because they share his character's value system. I don't ever get the impression that people are laughing at him.

I have too many battles to choose before I join the so-called 'P.C. police.' If I nitpick every problematic thing a comedian ever says, my head would explode. Most of my favorite sources of comedy -- South Park, Family Guy, The Daily Show, Wonder Showzen, The Onion -- are replete with jokes that are, quite simply, "wrong."

But when the best-selling comic of 2005 is blatantly advocating punching queers, it's impossible to just dismiss him as a jokester.

These hateful jokes, along with the recent Hot 97 controversy, have me constantly ruminating on the question of hate speech vs. free speech. On most days, I consider myself a First Amendment absolutist. I've been censored enough to know the fear of a totalitarian government that monitors our speech. However, I also know that hateful insults are an effective way to spread discriminatory attitudes, especially when done under the banner of comedy.

This all raises a few questions:

Given how many millions of fans follow LTCG, why aren't stand-up comedians like him targeted? Why waste our time on seminal vesicles like those "Jersey Guys" radio hosts when Larry has over a thousand times as many listeners?

Do comedians get a free pass, so long as it makes someone laugh? Moreover, is there any effective way to battle hate speech in comedy?

Is there a line in comedy?
 

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Oh please. The guy's a sicko, but I hear "hateful" (I don't really think this guy is) jokes from a great many comedians, whether rednecks, "ghetto" types, or whoever. Watch a rap video if you're really worried about another Matthew Shepard. I'm just amazed that you can enjoy South Park and then criticize a guy who came up with a little play on a show title (as wrong as that may be).

A guy with disgusting taste in comedy attacking a guy with disgusting taste in comedy. The irony never ends.
 
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neverforsaken said:
and its not like black comedians dont do the same thing when they make fun of white people. geez, its the only thing they ever talk about. take that away and they have nothing. or at least very little.

white males tend to have a disproportionate amount of power within the society. Some argue that without power racism as a force cannot truly exist. Therefore, they argue, the "racism" that comes from minorities is not the same as from a white male. White males are seen, with some justification, as the beneficiaries of racist dynamics in society. In addition,



If a poor white man is discriminated against by an affluent Asian man to me that is the exact same type of racism because money can contribute to the power dynamic.



There is also the historical differences between the attainability of upward mobility. In other words blacks were much more likely to be denied the chance to become wealthy than Asian Americans and were therefore forced to find other means of gaining wealth and respect within their communities.

People make generalizations about a race based on their experiences with a few of those people. Its not right, and its not fair. I do agree that blacks too often blame whites for their problems, and using it as an excuse to not try to do anything. The truth is that all of us are "racist" in some form or fashion; there are things that, in general, blacks don't like about whites, and vice versa. Racism will always exist; they key is looking past skin color and those generalizations and living in peace in harmony.
 
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neverforsaken said:
and its not like black comedians dont do the same thing when they make fun of white people. geez, its the only thing they ever talk about. take that away and they have nothing. or at least very little.

Well, a lot of that sort of comedy is kind of limited in who can tell it. And for this reason, I guess. For example, Chris Rock's legendary "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]s vs. Black People" routine is hilarious when Rock tells it, because he is one of the people he lampoons, and it's pretty clearly parody. When a white comedian tells the same jokes it's a little different, in that the contrasted irony of it isn't really there.

That's not to say they can't tell the jokes, but it comes across very differently.

The problem with this guy's comedy is that it isn't really playing the ironic observation and exhaggeration role that Rock's routine does, but it is actually voiceing and making light of the prejudices that many of his audience hold. They are laughing, and saying "that's funny because it's true". It reinforces those opinions and legitimises them.

Of course he's more than welcome to say whatever he wants, but is it funny, or is it just hateful ranting? I dunno, I find his humour to be quite distastful. He doesn't seem to see what he is saying as something that funny or exhaggerated, but something that's a fair and true observation. I don't think it is.
 
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they all fail against ron white. :p i personally dont like comedians who rely ONLY on racial jokes. it cheapens them and shows they dont know anything other than racism. i've used the term rag **** a few times. but when i think about those towers, i cant help but think otherwise. even though i have an arab friend, when i say it i refer to the terrorists and not arabs in general. but i limit the amount i say it because i can definately see how it could offend someone. and i dont say it out of respect and not because i "shouldnt". i believe in free speech after all. and if i want to say it, i will. but i prefer not to. i also have a chinese friend, and sometimes i joke around and call him a chink. and he just laughs because he knows im only fooling. but according to political correctness, where you can only say a slur if you are that race, i can anyway because im part chinese ^_^. but again, i dont care much for slurs and only use them to mess around with close friends.
 
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Sycophant said:
The problem with this guy's comedy is that it isn't really playing the ironic observation and exhaggeration role that Rock's routine does, but it is actually voiceing and making light of the prejudices that many of his audience hold. They are laughing, and saying "that's funny because it's true". It reinforces those opinions and legitimises them.

Of course he's more than welcome to say whatever he wants, but is it funny, or is it just hateful ranting? I dunno, I find his humour to be quite distastful. He doesn't seem to see what he is saying as something that funny or exhaggerated, but something that's a fair and true observation. I don't think it is.

Comedian's only job is to make people laugh. Larry the Cable guy comes from the redneck revolution brought on by Jeff Foxworthy. We know he's going to be a redneck comedian by who he associates with and then that suspicion is confirmed when he comes out with a fishing hook on his hat bill and sleeveless shirts. If he wanted to be serious, he would have presented himself that way. Its obviously satire, and he is doing nothing different than Rock or the other guys. If one doesn't like what he's saying, then flip the channel.
 
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LTCG is awesome. There are plenty of insult comics who rag on people personally and still get a ton of laughs, even from those they are directly insulting. Jokes are meant to be just that, jokes. I know not all Arabs are terrorists. I know not all Italians are in the mob (firsthand). I know that all Jews aren't stingy. But for me it is the ridiculousness of the stereotypes, and the fact that there were and even still are those who believe in them that brings me a laugh. There was one comedian who made the point: How many white people watch people like Chris Rock and laugh when amongst themselves, but would hesitate if a black person was in the room? People really need thicker skin

Maybe it's just the people I hang out with, we rag on each other all day. I remember my one friend's roomate was Palestinian, and referred to himself as Terrorist 142-A. We all thought it was hilarious, because we knew he was to terrorism like LTCG is to shirts with sleeves.
 
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Dave Chappelle>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Larry the Cable Guy

Dave Chappelle uses racism in his comedy to show how stupid racism is.. he probably makes more fun of the black community than whites...case in pt, go watch his White Supremist skit. he plays as a blind African-American KKK member.
 
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DaveyD said:
Dave Chappelle>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Larry the Cable Guy

Dave Chappelle uses racism in his comedy to show how stupid racism is.. he probably makes more fun of the black community than whites...case in pt, go watch his White Supremist skit. he plays as a blind African-American KKK member.

Ugh, Dave Chappelle is even more disgusting than LTCG. But I really enjoyed his skit about Grand Theft Auto for real. I saw that before I ever knew who the guy was. Now I wish I didn't.
 
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DaveyD said:
white males tend to have a disproportionate amount of power within the society. Some argue that without power racism as a force cannot truly exist. Therefore, they argue, the "racism" that comes from minorities is not the same as from a white male. White males are seen, with some justification, as the beneficiaries of racist dynamics in society. In addition,



If a poor white man is discriminated against by an affluent Asian man to me that is the exact same type of racism because money can contribute to the power dynamic.



There is also the historical differences between the attainability of upward mobility. In other words blacks were much more likely to be denied the chance to become wealthy than Asian Americans and were therefore forced to find other means of gaining wealth and respect within their communities.

Yeah, they always bring it to a power struggle. Everything is a matter of power plays these days. It's terribly boring, and doesn't often make for good humor anymore.
 
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Vylo said:
Chapelle is awesome. Who can forget the skit about white people and electric guitars, that was great.

I don't know, I just can't stand him. I really don't like most of what's purported to be comedy these days. Show me Chappelle's Show, and I'm likely to throw up. But let me listen to Garrison Keillor's A Prairie Home Companion, and I'll be splitting my sides.
 
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I never like LTCG. Part of that reason is because of the type of jokes he tells. His jokes remind me of this kid that I used to go to school with, he'd tell nothing but racist jokes.

Who tells the joke and how that joke is told is more important than the joke itself. Other performers who use a lot of racial stereotypes do it in such a way as to lampoon the stereotype itself and it becomes funny because it's often a sort of irony. When LTCG tells the jokes, he doesn't come across as telling them in an ironic fashion, it comes across to me that he really believes the stereotype. He reminds too much of a few annoyinf kids I used to go to school with, they constantly told racist jokes that just weren't funny.

It would be different if LTCG was a made up character in which he's playing with the stereotype of a redneck (along the veins of the Ali G character). But he just comes across as exactly the type of person I wouldn't be able to stand being around.
 
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When LTCG tells the jokes, he doesn't come across as telling them in an ironic fashion, it comes across to me that he really believes the stereotype.


I think that is because part of the whole blue collar gang's theme is being a redneck, and stereotypically, a redneck would believe the stereotype, just a thought.
 
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Vylo said:
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I think that is because part of the whole blue collar gang's theme is being a redneck, and stereotypically, a redneck would believe the stereotype, just a thought.

Jeff Foxworth, Bill Engval (or however you spell his name), adn the other guy come across as rednecks that like to poke fun of themselves for being rednecks. LTCG doesn't come across like that to me. Nor does he come across as someone playing a redneck character. To me, he comes across as an actual redneck that likes to tell racist jokes. It really seems like he actually believes what he says. The whole way of presenting himself makes him emody a lot of things I don't like about people.

Maybe he doesn't really believe the things he makes fun of. I don't know. I'm not him. But the entire way in which he presents himself doesn't give off that impression. Maybe that's the point of his act. He might WANT to come across like that in a psuedo Andy Kauffman way. But I don't find him all that funny (LTGC, not Kauffman).
 
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