Have any of you ever heard of the 42 purifications/declarations of innocence? (otherwise known as the Negative Confessions as well.)If so what are your thoughts on them? What do you think of them in terms of the 10 commandments?
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Purifications
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Okay, I guess I should have figured that many people wouldn't have. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to them on here though, if I am please tell me and I will. I'd like to hear opinions on them.
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I just searched, and they are Egyptian.
A few excerpts...
I have not quarreled.
I have not winked.
I have not been false.
The precepts are very similar, but when you think about it, most societies need the same rules of mutual courtesy and respect, or thieves and war lords take over.
One difference between this and the Ten, is the stance -- the Egyptian is confessing his innocence, where the Ten Commandments are establishing laws for a relatively new community of people.
But there are other times when believers pleaded with God in a similar way.
What are your thoughts on it? (While noticing there's a forum limit to how much one can discuss other religions in this area... it serves a different purpose.)
A few excerpts...
I have not quarreled.
I have not winked.
I have not been false.
The precepts are very similar, but when you think about it, most societies need the same rules of mutual courtesy and respect, or thieves and war lords take over.
One difference between this and the Ten, is the stance -- the Egyptian is confessing his innocence, where the Ten Commandments are establishing laws for a relatively new community of people.
But there are other times when believers pleaded with God in a similar way.
What are your thoughts on it? (While noticing there's a forum limit to how much one can discuss other religions in this area... it serves a different purpose.)
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Yeah, they are Kemetic.
My thoughts?
Well I follow the purifications (I think the ones you found might be a badly translated version, just to let you know, there are a lot of those around, I don't know if I can show you a website that has a better version because of the forum rules), so they are sort of like the 10 commandments. They are just worded differently, considering they don't relate to the Christian god, that makes sense. They are actually guidelines to follow, rather than just declaring one's innocence (Though I do believe you do that during judgement after death).
I was wondering because there are quite a few people who believe that the 10 commandments came from the purifications, what are your thoughts on that?
My thoughts?
Well I follow the purifications (I think the ones you found might be a badly translated version, just to let you know, there are a lot of those around, I don't know if I can show you a website that has a better version because of the forum rules), so they are sort of like the 10 commandments. They are just worded differently, considering they don't relate to the Christian god, that makes sense. They are actually guidelines to follow, rather than just declaring one's innocence (Though I do believe you do that during judgement after death).
I was wondering because there are quite a few people who believe that the 10 commandments came from the purifications, what are your thoughts on that?
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When were the purifications written?
The people hearing the Ten Commandments
would have known of all the purifications, if written beforehand, because they were all Egyptian residents. If this were true, then I'm not sure why Moses wouldn't have just reminded the people of the purifications, taking out the names of the gods.
I'll look it up.
The people hearing the Ten Commandments
would have known of all the purifications, if written beforehand, because they were all Egyptian residents. If this were true, then I'm not sure why Moses wouldn't have just reminded the people of the purifications, taking out the names of the gods.
I'll look it up.
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I looked for a while, but it was much easier finding references to the purifications than it was finding any information on them.
Here's an Egyptian timeline, if that would be helpful.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/timeline.shtml
This one puts the Exodus out of Egypt at 1280 BC:
http://www.timelines.info/history/empires_and_civilizations/ancient_civilisations/ancient_egypt/
This one includes fossils but not writings:
http://timelines.ws/countries/EGYPT.HTML
I will stop looking and leave this to you--
Most religions have similarities, and most cultures have similar ethical codes, so if we never figure it out, I don't think it will impact either of our faith walks.
Here's an Egyptian timeline, if that would be helpful.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/timeline.shtml
This one puts the Exodus out of Egypt at 1280 BC:
http://www.timelines.info/history/empires_and_civilizations/ancient_civilisations/ancient_egypt/
This one includes fossils but not writings:
http://timelines.ws/countries/EGYPT.HTML
I will stop looking and leave this to you--
Most religions have similarities, and most cultures have similar ethical codes, so if we never figure it out, I don't think it will impact either of our faith walks.
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I had something written before, but Apparently I don't have enough posts to post a link, but kemet.org has better info. I'm probably not going to bother with these boards too much anymore, too many unecessary restrictions for my tastes.
Senebty
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That was actually one of the sites I checked.
You might find more people familiar with the purifications at this area of the forum... it's probably also more flexible.
http://www.christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html
The restriction about links comes from people who pop in only to promote their businesses -- and they do. It's not about lack of trust over people who really want to discuss a topic.
The restrictions about who can post what and where are continually challenged by people trying to tear down others' faith with insults and blatant attempts to convert people to other religions -- so again, it's not about limiting newcomers, but preventing abuse of the system.
You might find more people familiar with the purifications at this area of the forum... it's probably also more flexible.
http://www.christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html
The restriction about links comes from people who pop in only to promote their businesses -- and they do. It's not about lack of trust over people who really want to discuss a topic.
The restrictions about who can post what and where are continually challenged by people trying to tear down others' faith with insults and blatant attempts to convert people to other religions -- so again, it's not about limiting newcomers, but preventing abuse of the system.
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I understand why the restrictions are there, I just prefer other forums to be honest. I'm not even sure why I joined this one, probably some questions, which have since been answered. Most of the people here seem like really nice people (I say most because we all know not everything is perfect), it's just that well, I'm not Christian, and even though non-Christians are welcome here it feels as though I'm not really free to discuss anything, even in the more open forums. Sorry if I've offended.
Senebty.
(ps. if you check the daily devotions on netjer.org (or kemet, they're pretty well the same site) you should find some good information on the purifications)
Senebty.
(ps. if you check the daily devotions on netjer.org (or kemet, they're pretty well the same site) you should find some good information on the purifications)
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Sure, I understand that. Thanks for complimenting people here -- I know it has been a short visit. The forum seems to keep memberships going even if you leave for a year or so, lol, so you're always welcome to pop back in. (As if I'm making up policies for the forum....)
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Oh I probably will pop by every once in awhile, just not everyday or anything. So You (and others of course) will probably see me around here
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Great! The ntejer devotionals have a lot of similarities to Christian devotionals, lol --
http://rbc.org/utmost/index.php
http://rbc.org/bible_study/strength_for_the_journey/daily_message.aspx
http://rbc.org/utmost/index.php
http://rbc.org/bible_study/strength_for_the_journey/daily_message.aspx
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Moses wouldn't have done anything like this because the giving of the Ten Commandments to the Hebrew people was not Moses' call in any way. The whole thing is a fascinating record of God in action amongst His people, as He called Moses up to Him on Mount Sinai, and ultimately gave Him the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets to take down to His people - along with many other instructions.
Exodus 24:12-18 records how Moses was on the mountain 40 days.
But what I really love is the record in Exodus 19:16-25, with thunder and lightning, cloud, a loud trumpet call and God's voice, and smoke, and the whole of Mount Sinai shaking greatly, and the people freaked out. Rather amazing stuff! Then in Chapter 20 the Ten Commandments are set down.
Blessings to all!
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