pure WOF unmixed

[HolySpiritWOF]

some WOF are really trying to keep our WOF house peaceful by diligently activating the CF rules and the WOF forum rules.....

i have noticed that some who previously held the christian icon switched to a wof icon so that they could teach and question the WOF position.....

the trouble with that is the same as if a non-christian switched his pagan icon to christian so that he could teach and question the christian position.....

we would all KNOW that the person wasn't really christian and that he was just trying to circumvent the rules.....

why do we have christian only forums?..... because christians really don't want to hear non-christian teachings and beliefs..... we hear it all day in our real life..... and we come to CF to fellowship with like-minded people..... so that we can strengthen our christian walk.... and our relationship with the LORD.....

well that is why wof really don't want to hear non-wof teachings and beliefs..... we hear it all day in our real life..... we come to CF WOF to fellowship with like-minded people..... and grow stronger in wof principles.....

christians love to help non-christians understand the christian perspective...... and wof love to help non-wof understand the wof perspective...... but all of us want a place where we can safely fellowship with people with our perspective.....

we love EVERYBODY..... we love wof-friendlies who come and encourage us in our wof-ness..... we love seekers..... we even love and care about anti-wof people......

please understand that we don't really want to mix non-wof teaching and beliefs in with our wof teachings and beliefs..... we like a pure wof diet here at CF WOF..... we get toooooo much non-wof as it is..... and we really don't want to get more of it in our own wof house.....

so when we suggest that your topic etc is not really wof..... that's because it isn't...... if you previously held a christian icon.... that is because you held your christian beliefs and teachings higher than wof christian beliefs and teachings..... which is cool..... that's who you are..... that's honest.... that's powerful...... and you wouldn't want an occultist mixing his beliefs with yours..... it would not be quality fellowship for you.....

please understand that those who hold the wof icon hold wof christian teachings and beliefs higher than other christian teachings and beliefs..... that is who we are..... that is honest..... and we really don't want non-wof forcing his beliefs on us..... or correcting our beliefs.....

we can all still fellowship in love and agreement and unity..... it's just that in the wof house the agreement has to be based on wof beliefs and teachings..... all non-wof people are loved and accepted here..... JESUS loves and accepts us all equally and died for us all so that makes us FAMILY forever..... please understand that it is non-wof teachings and beliefs that we don't accept and don't want to hear..... and we don't want to argue with anyone about wof teachings and beliefs.....

we really want to get into deeper discussions of our core wof teachings and beliefs..... we want to sort out some of the questions we have about our own core beliefs and teachings..... if you hold wof christian core beliefs and teachings higher than any other type of christian beliefs then you are one of us.....

if you come to the WOF house trying to straighten us out and make us see things your way then you are not wof.... and taking a wof icon so that you can help straighten us out or correct us is only going to cause division.... friction.... disunity..... and it is dishonest..... be who you are..... thank GOD for who you are..... stand tall in who you are..... and let us who hold wof christian core beliefs and teachings higher than any other type of teaching do the same.....

so bottom line.... non-wof / semi-wof / mostly-wof / 99%-wof..... we welcome you and LOVE to fellowship with you in our WOF house if you.....

1. come to encourage us in our wof-ness..... or

2. you want to learn about WOF..... or encourage / increase / strengthen your wof side.....

3. you have respectful questions about WOF.....

4. you don't try to correct us / change us / make us more like you.....

we love you all and will use all we know to help any of you in any way..... wof believe we are blessed to be a blessing.....

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

wof christians don't believe we are any better than any other type of christian ...... we are just extremely passionate about the wof christian belief system.....

i was previously non-wof..... actually in some ways anti-wof.....

but when my survival was at risk..... the HOLY SPIRIT led me to WOF and told me to listen and learn if i wanted to be delivered from the suffering and devastation i was in.....

i found answers and help in the wof christian belief system that drastically changed and improved my quality of life.....

 

[Jedi.Kep]

wof christians don't believe we are any better than any other type of christian ...... we are just extremely passionate about the wof christian belief system.....

i was previously non-wof..... actually in some ways anti-wof.....

but when my survival was at risk..... the HOLY SPIRIT led me to WOF and told me to listen and learn if i wanted to be delivered from the suffering and devastation i was in.....

i found answers and help in the wof christian belief system that drastically changed and improved my quality of life.....

Amen sister. Same here.

 

[KM Richards]

be who you are..... thank GOD for who you are

Bring up an interesting question...did God make some "WOF" but not others?

Is there DNA evidence that WOF is hereditary?

I mean, if we are supposed to "be who we are" and thank God for it and all...

 

[KM Richards]

wof christians don't believe we are any better than any other type of christian

I've run in to numerous wof people who actually think they ARE better than other Christians and look down upon those that don't measure up to wof and all it's glory!

That statement is not entirely true...

But then again...those are just people that will accept you if you agree with everything they say and do without question....they just have to be right about everything!

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

some WOF are really trying to keep our WOF house peaceful by diligently activating the CF rules and the WOF forum rules.....

i have noticed that some who previously held the christian icon switched to a wof icon so that they could teach and question the WOF position.....

the trouble with that is the same as if a non-christian switched his pagan icon to christian so that he could teach and question the christian position.....

we would all KNOW that the person wasn't really christian and that he was just trying to circumvent the rules.....

why do we have christian only forums?..... because christians really don't want to hear non-christian teachings and beliefs..... we hear it all day in our real life..... and we come to CF to fellowship with like-minded people..... so that we can strengthen our christian walk.... and our relationship with the LORD.....

well that is why wof really don't want to hear non-wof teachings and beliefs..... we hear it all day in our real life..... we come to CF WOF to fellowship with like-minded people..... and grow stronger in wof principles.....

christians love to help non-christians understand the christian perspective...... and wof love to help non-wof understand the wof perspective...... but all of us want a place where we can safely fellowship with people with our perspective.....

we love EVERYBODY..... we love wof-friendlies who come and encourage us in our wof-ness..... we love seekers..... we even love and care about anti-wof people......

please understand that we don't really want to mix non-wof teaching and beliefs in with our wof teachings and beliefs..... we like a pure wof diet here at CF WOF..... we get toooooo much non-wof as it is..... and we really don't want to get more of it in our own wof house.....

so when we suggest that your topic etc is not really wof..... that's because it isn't...... if you previously held a christian icon.... that is because you held your christian beliefs and teachings higher than wof christian beliefs and teachings..... which is cool..... that's who you are..... that's honest.... that's powerful...... and you wouldn't want an occultist mixing his beliefs with yours..... it would not be quality fellowship for you.....

please understand that those who hold the wof icon hold wof christian teachings and beliefs higher than other christian teachings and beliefs..... that is who we are..... that is honest..... and we really don't want non-wof forcing his beliefs on us..... or correcting our beliefs.....

we can all still fellowship in love and agreement and unity..... it's just that in the wof house the agreement has to be based on wof beliefs and teachings..... all non-wof people are loved and accepted here..... JESUS loves and accepts us all equally and died for us all so that makes us FAMILY forever..... please understand that it is non-wof teachings and beliefs that we don't accept and don't want to hear..... and we don't want to argue with anyone about wof teachings and beliefs.....

we really want to get into deeper discussions of our core wof teachings and beliefs..... we want to sort out some of the questions we have about our own core beliefs and teachings..... if you hold wof christian core beliefs and teachings higher than any other type of christian beliefs then you are one of us.....

if you come to the WOF house trying to straighten us out and make us see things your way then you are not wof.... and taking a wof icon so that you can help straighten us out or correct us is only going to cause division.... friction.... disunity..... and it is dishonest..... be who you are..... thank GOD for who you are..... stand tall in who you are..... and let us who hold wof christian core beliefs and teachings higher than any other type of teaching do the same.....

so bottom line.... non-wof / semi-wof / mostly-wof / 99%-wof..... we welcome you and LOVE to fellowship with you in our WOF house if you.....

1. come to encourage us in our wof-ness..... or

2. you want to learn about WOF..... or encourage / increase / strengthen your wof side.....

3. you have respectful questions about WOF.....

4. you don't try to correct us / change us / make us more like you.....

we love you all and will use all we know to help any of you in any way..... wof believe we are blessed to be a blessing.....

Wow. Beautifully stated. This post should be a sticky!!

 

[pdudgeon]

agreed. we WOF realy can be peaceful, plesant people who like to bless others and teach others. And we do it all with the Word of God.

 

[PastorMike]

i was previously non-wof..... actually in some ways anti-wof.....

but when my survival was at risk..... the HOLY SPIRIT led me to WOF and told me to listen and learn if i wanted to be delivered from the suffering and devastation i was in.....

i found answers and help in the wof christian belief system that drastically changed and improved my quality of life.....

Me too, it was when I began to question what I was being taught and look for my own revelation with God that he led me to WoF

 

[PastorMike]

some WOF are really trying to keep our WOF house peaceful by diligently activating the CF rules and the WOF forum rules.....

i have noticed that some who previously held the christian icon switched to a wof icon so that they could teach and question the WOF position.....

the trouble with that is the same as if a non-christian switched his pagan icon to christian so that he could teach and question the christian position.....

we would all KNOW that the person wasn't really christian and that he was just trying to circumvent the rules.....

why do we have christian only forums?..... because christians really don't want to hear non-christian teachings and beliefs..... we hear it all day in our real life..... and we come to CF to fellowship with like-minded people..... so that we can strengthen our christian walk.... and our relationship with the LORD.....

well that is why wof really don't want to hear non-wof teachings and beliefs..... we hear it all day in our real life..... we come to CF WOF to fellowship with like-minded people..... and grow stronger in wof principles.....

christians love to help non-christians understand the christian perspective...... and wof love to help non-wof understand the wof perspective...... but all of us want a place where we can safely fellowship with people with our perspective.....

we love EVERYBODY..... we love wof-friendlies who come and encourage us in our wof-ness..... we love seekers..... we even love and care about anti-wof people......

please understand that we don't really want to mix non-wof teaching and beliefs in with our wof teachings and beliefs..... we like a pure wof diet here at CF WOF..... we get toooooo much non-wof as it is..... and we really don't want to get more of it in our own wof house.....

so when we suggest that your topic etc is not really wof..... that's because it isn't...... if you previously held a christian icon.... that is because you held your christian beliefs and teachings higher than wof christian beliefs and teachings..... which is cool..... that's who you are..... that's honest.... that's powerful...... and you wouldn't want an occultist mixing his beliefs with yours..... it would not be quality fellowship for you.....

please understand that those who hold the wof icon hold wof christian teachings and beliefs higher than other christian teachings and beliefs..... that is who we are..... that is honest..... and we really don't want non-wof forcing his beliefs on us..... or correcting our beliefs.....

we can all still fellowship in love and agreement and unity..... it's just that in the wof house the agreement has to be based on wof beliefs and teachings..... all non-wof people are loved and accepted here..... JESUS loves and accepts us all equally and died for us all so that makes us FAMILY forever..... please understand that it is non-wof teachings and beliefs that we don't accept and don't want to hear..... and we don't want to argue with anyone about wof teachings and beliefs.....

we really want to get into deeper discussions of our core wof teachings and beliefs..... we want to sort out some of the questions we have about our own core beliefs and teachings..... if you hold wof christian core beliefs and teachings higher than any other type of christian beliefs then you are one of us.....

if you come to the WOF house trying to straighten us out and make us see things your way then you are not wof.... and taking a wof icon so that you can help straighten us out or correct us is only going to cause division.... friction.... disunity..... and it is dishonest..... be who you are..... thank GOD for who you are..... stand tall in who you are..... and let us who hold wof christian core beliefs and teachings higher than any other type of teaching do the same.....

so bottom line.... non-wof / semi-wof / mostly-wof / 99%-wof..... we welcome you and LOVE to fellowship with you in our WOF house if you.....

1. come to encourage us in our wof-ness..... or

2. you want to learn about WOF..... or encourage / increase / strengthen your wof side.....

3. you have respectful questions about WOF.....

4. you don't try to correct us / change us / make us more like you.....

we love you all and will use all we know to help any of you in any way..... wof believe we are blessed to be a blessing.....

Great post... You had me at

trying to keep our WOF house peaceful

 

[now faith]

This will sound very self righteous but from my own walk as Christian saved at a young age preacher kid. I spent time living in carnalty and repented seeking to learn more and draw closer to christ I returned to the church. I realized that when I was away and also back in church I found myself listening to WOF preaching. It was always deeper spirituality yet simple to receive.it is my personal belief that WOF exhibits Christian maturity don't shout me down when I'm preaching good!

 

[Alive_Again]

Walk on in love and power and not be critical.

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

Outside of this forum, I have never really perceived any "Word of Faith" organization. I learned the principles of faith in the 80s from guys like Kenneth Hagin, Charles Capps, Larry Lea, Norvel Hayes, and even Bob Tilton (in his anointed period). It was all about believing the Word of God. It should be that way for everyone. That's just regular Christianity.

I realize for the purposes of this forum and keeping the peace, they have some specifics. Realistically, I agree point for point in the SOP (not because it's WOF, but because it's the Word of God!). The discussed changes regarding Jesus' spiritual death is controversial and to each man's conscience on that one.

It may seem hard to believe but I really don't see any division whatsoever from the rest of the Body of Christ. None whatsoever. I realize that Baptists believe as they do, primarily don't want you praying in the Spirit during their meetings. I see that as their departure from the Word, not mine. When Catholics believe the Pope is the one to trust, they are the ones departing from the Word. The distinction is on their shoulders, not mine.

I don't represent myself as "WOF" because some people stumble at this. If you want to win folks in other fellowships, you must become as they are. Paul speaks of this. Win them by your example of faith and love. IMO, it's detrimental to post in other places on the forum with the icon, because they are more apt to judge you based on your implied baggage than what you're currently stating.

If we have learned principles of receiving from God by faith and other areas of the church balk at this because the enemy has kept them from receiving the revelation, or because of bad examples of WOF believers, that is their loss.

I still see us as one. They are the ones who moved away from the greater privilege won by Jesus. They are the ones who stand to miss out by not being able to receive from some of the most anointed ministers. But as I recall one of Hagin's prophecies, we'll walk on in love and power and not be critical.

all believers in JESUS are one forever family because of JESUS..... JESUS loves the entire world..... but HIS family are the ones that love HIM in return...... the ones who are outside the family are the ones we are to go "fishing" for..... so that they can become part of the forever family..... "fishing" in another faith house is just asking for a fight.... if they want your faith perspective they will come to your house..... only go to their house if you want what they have..... that is the PEACE boundaries the CF rules create.....

wof is a specific branch of the family..... plumbers and roofers and drywallers and framers are all tradesmen..... but they have each chosen their specific trade......

wof have chosen their specific theology perspective..... every faith house believes they are walking the WORD of GOD..... it's not good to go into their house and tell them that you don't believe they are scriptural...... that's why the rules say fellowship and seekers only..... no debating.... proselytizing..... flaming..... etc..... and doing it in a sneaky way to circumvent the rules is dishonest and doesn't have GOD'S blessing attached.....

wof is organized all over the world.... not a denomination..... but a specific subscribed defined ever-deepening theology..... those who study the wof teachers acquire a wof theology...... those who study a mix of non-wof and wof teachers get a mixed wof-non-wof theology...... the purpose of the WOF SOF is to make a pure wof theology statement...... for the purpose of keeping peace in our house...... we don't want non-wof teaching and preaching here..... that is what the non-denominational forums are for..... people who subscribe to a mix of many christian theologies find that kind of thing in the non-denominational forums.....

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

This will sound very self righteous but from my own walk as Christian saved at a young age preacher kid. I spent time living in carnalty and repented seeking to learn more and draw closer to christ I returned to the church. I realized that when I was away and also back in church I found myself listening to WOF preaching. It was always deeper spirituality yet simple to receive.it is my personal belief that WOF exhibits Christian maturity don't shout me down when I'm preaching good!

i have come to love the wof theology..... at first when i was told by the HOLY SPIRIT to listen and learn the wof theology i bucked it..... it was soooo strange and "hard" to understand..... my lifetime of learning a different more commonly accepted christian theology perspective was in many areas contradictory to everything wof taught...... listening to wof teaching was kicking at all my religious training..... i resisted wof and kept going back to GOD and arguing with HIM over this wof stuff..... GOD didn't argue back.... HE simply said "do you want to be free from suffering or not?".....

it took about a year of listening and fighting my own resistance and pride...... and then finally i had a TRUTH breakthrough where i fully understood the spirit and the dynamics of what wof was all about..... until then wof kept seeming strange and wrong to me..... i am so glad now that the HOLY SPIRIT told me to study wof..... i am so glad that i made myself obey the HOLY SPIRIT..... wof is everything HE told me it was.....

i still have lots to learn but one key instruction that has helped me is "listen only to wof teaching"..... as soon as i did that the confusion and the "fight" stopped..... mixing non-wof and wof teaching perpetuates an inner war..... at least until you fully understand the spirit and the dynamics of wof..... if you are trying to learn wof, pure wof will give you the quickest advance into the power and blessing that is discovered in the wof perspective of the WORD of GOD.....

 

[pdudgeon]

i had never heard of WOF either until i came here. the members here have been my teachers, and they have shared their faith abundantly.

i didn't have the problem about confusing WOF with other beliefs, because i was well grounded in those and knew that they didn't satisfy. Even today having learned about still more denoms and their beliefs, i have no problem saying that WOF is unique in the same way that the early Christians were unique and set apart from the Jews of their day.

WOF will always have it's detractors, just as all Christians do. that's a fact of life anywhere we go.

But when the importance of the truth of God rises above what the world thinks of you, it's a good thing!

 

[Alive_Again]

I personally believe we're talking about the Word of God, which is the word of faith which we preach. If it's balanced Christianity, it's just the Word of God. If that is so, it should stand up to criticism or questioning, as would be the polite approach in a forum that is a "refuge" from the many negative criticisms that mainstream "Christianity" provides.

I can't see Jesus being negative about anything in the Word, and if we're to grow in wisdom and stature, we should be able to examine doctrine from the standpoint of the Word, and not act like cults who censor questions.

I for one, do not oppose questions in the light of scripture. If someone doesn't understand why "WOF" belives in the light of a certain passage, then it's not sin to ask the question. Theoretically, a balanced answer should ease the mind of those who likely heard the enemies objections. We could even have a faq providing those balanced answers.

I suppose it's more a matter of how one conducts themselves in the inquiry. If "WOF" doctrine doesn't stand up to scripture, it's validity should be examined. On the other hand, not everyone agrees with doctrines associated in "some" WOF churches. Since their is no "WOF" church, it's much like Calvary Chapel types of churches. There's no official doctrine. It's not a denomination, and their is no absolute consistency.

If someone knocks a certain preacher, as opposed to examine doctrine, then you're stepping on toes and possible passing judgments that might be sinful and offensive to WOF forum members.

 

[probinson]

As a former WoF'er I have to ask... how is this a good sign for the validity of the WoF worldview?

How does one strengthen oneself and grow mature surrounded by yes men?

It is well reported over the internet that this forum is not where one might go to sharpen one another in the faith... but rather more like camp WoF where everyone wins as long as it validates the WoF.

Brother Hagin would have been dismayed!

Hi turtlegs,

Since you identify yourself as a former WoFer and you have the label "Ex-WoF" under your screen name, you've seemingly wandered into the wrong forum if you're looking to debate WoF teachings. The congregational rules at CF create an atmosphere where like-minded Christians can fellowship and learn together. As you are, admittedly, "Ex-WoF", that means that while you are welcome to fellowship and ask questions in earnest here, you are not welcome to debate or teach in this forum.

To answer your question, I do agree that if what we believe can not be tested and examined, then it is not founded on very firm ground. I personally have no problem debating with non, anti and Ex-WoF people, and frequently do so in the Spirit-Filled forum here at CF.

With that said, our experience has been that most non, anti and Ex-WoF people who post in this forum do so not so that "iron can sharpen iron", but rather so they can act as a sledge hammer trying to tell us all how wrong and heretical we are. That is why the congregational rules exist here.

 

[Alive_Again]

I don't look for WOF or any other emblem when I buy books. I'm not sure I would recognize them or not. I'm familiar with certain teachers, but chiefly I just go by the anointing.

The enemy wanted me to discount an entire group of preachers because they were involved in one movement or revival. They may have been in some error at times, but I cannot discount their entire ministry outright.

A very good sign is when a real anointed book speaks on the principles of faith which are foundational, and then build on walking in the Spirit in some way I'm not strong in. If it's the Word, it's the word of faith, not the word of fear or doubt. It's straight Christianity.

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

Hi turtlegs,

Since you identify yourself as a former WoFer and you have the label "Ex-WoF" under your screen name, you've seemingly wandered into the wrong forum if you're looking to debate WoF teachings. The congregational rules at CF create an atmosphere where like-minded Christians can fellowship and learn together. As you are, admittedly, "Ex-WoF", that means that while you are welcome to fellowship and ask questions in earnest here, you are not welcome to debate or teach in this forum.

To answer your question, I do agree that if what we believe can not be tested and examined, then it is not founded on very firm ground. I personally have no problem debating with non, anti and Ex-WoF people, and frequently do so in the Spirit-Filled forum here at CF.

With that said, our experience has been that most non, anti and Ex-WoF people who post in this forum do so not so that "iron can sharpen iron", but rather so they can act as a sledge hammer trying to tell us all how wrong and heretical we are. That is why the congregational rules exist here.

amen..... that is so true..... and unless 2 agree how can they walk together..... wof love wof teaching and the WORD and the HOLY SPIRIT..... with those 3 things the wof here have no problem in getting sharper..... we have much wisdom in our own house...... bereans that diligently study the WORD to show themselves approved and rightly dividing the WORD of TRUTH...... agreeing with the WORD is all we seek to do..... anyone viewing wof-wof debates on this forum would see that clearly....

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

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amen..... thanks guys..... love your wisdom...... CF wof is attracting more and more wof that want to fellowship and grow in the faith..... and wof-friendlies and wof-seekers..... kinda like the koinonia the NT talks about.... and the OT talks about how good and how pleasant it is when brethren can dwell in unity..... many are finding that CF is a pleasant place..... the best mods.... the best rules..... the best spirit..... incomparable really..... quality all around.....

and i love how the wof to wof debates here are brothers digging for the truth...... rather than non/anti-wof attacking the wof position.....

 

[PastorMike]

Brother Hagin would have been dismayed!

With all due respect to Kenneth Hagin but personally it wouldn't bother me how mad he is with me because he is not Jesus, I am only concerned about what Jesus thinks of me...

BTW people keep throwing the name Brother Hagin or Kenneth Hagin about like it is supposed to make us all jump or something but he is not God... It almost seems like people think that Kenneth Hagin is the only one that can interpret the scripture for us...

And here's me from Northern Ireland and I have never heard a single sermon from Kenneth Hagin, ever...