Public Drinking

[Verv]

In the Republic of Korea, it is legal to drink on the streets.

In Iran, it is not legal to drink on the streets, however in this Islamic Republic they have no law which will lead to someone being arrested for being 'drunk in public.' It is legal to consume alcohol in all private locations.

In most states within the United States of America, a nation which lauds itself to be a free and democratic and super awesome place, you cannot have a beer on the street and you cannot be drunk in public.

The Republic of Korea has a much lower crime rate and has far higher academic success than the United States.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has more fashionable women and better cuisine than the US, yet it does not have the same liberties granted to women and people of 'alternative lifestyles.' However, if you are publicly drunken and not harassing anyone, you will be fine.

In the Home of the Free, the United States of America, I was arrested when I decided to walk home. I was all alone, on a side walk, 10 minutes away from my house when the police came. I was like, "I decided to walk all this long way so I would not drive drunk home... I was doing the right thing... You are seriously going to arrest me?"

"The law is the law."

Apparently, because I was not walking as straight as an arrow, I was liable to be stopped and arrested...

While living in Texas I was warned to not go to certain bars because they arrest people who walk outside of them for being 'drunk in public.' This is how some towns get money -- by fining non-locals who are drunk and merely going home.

When we discuss this issue, so many people like to say, "LOL< come on... Is it really a part of freedom, part of liberty, to be allowed to be drunk on the street, and be allowed to have a beer?

Why not?

I love beer and some drinks. It doesn't make me a criminal. It doesn't make me immoral to have some beers outside a convenience store, just chilling. Hundreds of thousands of people across Korea do it each day and the only long term results of this on their society has been awesome economic growth and continued success...

I think that all true Americans must do the following:

(1) Take away the laws against public consumption of alcohol and being drunk in a public place. They serve no purpose and are draconian.

(2) Take away all of the regulations concerning when/how alcohol is sold. It is draconian and unamerican to regulate busineses like this.

(3) Abolish sin taxes on it because it's our bodies, our choices.

Until then, you will never even begin to be the Land of the Free. You are not living up to your name, to your reputation!

If we really are to support a doctrine of freedom we must begin with things that actually matter, like beer.

More people drink beer and smoke cigarettes than even vote for the Presidency. In reality, laws concerning alcohol are more relevant than our right to vote...

And if we just take this on face value, the United States is not free.

What use is freedom if I can't have a nice, cool beer outside while I smoke a cigarette, without some police officer coming up and giving me a hard time? (And I can't even smoke in the bar because God knows that we need to protect all the drinkers destroying their livers from the second hand smoke...)

 

[solarwave]

Of course America isn't totally free. Its freedom is only found in the free market which seems little better than materialism. I find my freedom in freedom of action, not in how much money I can make. Those laws aren't in the EU (well not in the UK at least as far as I know) and so I believe I have more freedom here.

I don't think you should be allowed to smoke in bars though because then smoking becomes something you force on others.

 

[Mling]

I'd be cool with getting rid of the no drinking and no public drunkenness laws, but making sure to enforce laws against being a public disturbance.

While we do want people choosing to walk instead of drive, and there's nothing really wrong with being out in public a little tipsy, if you're still able to make good decisions, we really don't want people passing out over parking meters and soiling themselves.

So, sure. Public drunkenness, to a degree.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

In the Republic of Korea, it is legal to drink on the streets.

In Iran, it is not legal to drink on the streets, however in this Islamic Republic they have no law which will lead to someone being arrested for being 'drunk in public.' It is legal to consume alcohol in all private locations.

In most states within the United States of America, a nation which lauds itself to be a free and democratic and super awesome place, you cannot have a beer on the street and you cannot be drunk in public.

The Republic of Korea has a much lower crime rate and has far higher academic success than the United States.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has more fashionable women and better cuisine than the US, yet it does not have the same liberties granted to women and people of 'alternative lifestyles.' However, if you are publicly drunken and not harassing anyone, you will be fine.

In the Home of the Free, the United States of America, I was arrested when I decided to walk home. I was all alone, on a side walk, 10 minutes away from my house when the police came. I was like, "I decided to walk all this long way so I would not drive drunk home... I was doing the right thing... You are seriously going to arrest me?"

"The law is the law."

Apparently, because I was not walking as straight as an arrow, I was liable to be stopped and arrested...

While living in Texas I was warned to not go to certain bars because they arrest people who walk outside of them for being 'drunk in public.' This is how some towns get money -- by fining non-locals who are drunk and merely going home.

When we discuss this issue, so many people like to say, "LOL< come on... Is it really a part of freedom, part of liberty, to be allowed to be drunk on the street, and be allowed to have a beer?

Why not?

I love beer and some drinks. It doesn't make me a criminal. It doesn't make me immoral to have some beers outside a convenience store, just chilling. Hundreds of thousands of people across Korea do it each day and the only long term results of this on their society has been awesome economic growth and continued success...

I think that all true Americans must do the following:

(1) Take away the laws against public consumption of alcohol and being drunk in a public place. They serve no purpose and are draconian.

(2) Take away all of the regulations concerning when/how alcohol is sold. It is draconian and unamerican to regulate busineses like this.

(3) Abolish sin taxes on it because it's our bodies, our choices.

Until then, you will never even begin to be the Land of the Free. You are not living up to your name, to your reputation!

If we really are to support a doctrine of freedom we must begin with things that actually matter, like beer.

More people drink beer and smoke cigarettes than even vote for the Presidency. In reality, laws concerning alcohol are more relevant than our right to vote...

And if we just take this on face value, the United States is not free.

What use is freedom if I can't have a nice, cool beer outside while I smoke a cigarette, without some police officer coming up and giving me a hard time? (And I can't even smoke in the bar because God knows that we need to protect all the drinkers destroying their livers from the second hand smoke...)

The bolded* part made me .

That is all. Carry on.

*emphasis mine

 

[mpok1519]

In the Republic of Korea, it is legal to drink on the streets.

In Iran, it is not legal to drink on the streets, however in this Islamic Republic they have no law which will lead to someone being arrested for being 'drunk in public.' It is legal to consume alcohol in all private locations.

In most states within the United States of America, a nation which lauds itself to be a free and democratic and super awesome place, you cannot have a beer on the street and you cannot be drunk in public.

The Republic of Korea has a much lower crime rate and has far higher academic success than the United States.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has more fashionable women and better cuisine than the US, yet it does not have the same liberties granted to women and people of 'alternative lifestyles.' However, if you are publicly drunken and not harassing anyone, you will be fine.

In the Home of the Free, the United States of America, I was arrested when I decided to walk home. I was all alone, on a side walk, 10 minutes away from my house when the police came. I was like, "I decided to walk all this long way so I would not drive drunk home... I was doing the right thing... You are seriously going to arrest me?"

"The law is the law."

Apparently, because I was not walking as straight as an arrow, I was liable to be stopped and arrested...

While living in Texas I was warned to not go to certain bars because they arrest people who walk outside of them for being 'drunk in public.' This is how some towns get money -- by fining non-locals who are drunk and merely going home.

When we discuss this issue, so many people like to say, "LOL< come on... Is it really a part of freedom, part of liberty, to be allowed to be drunk on the street, and be allowed to have a beer?

Why not?

I love beer and some drinks. It doesn't make me a criminal. It doesn't make me immoral to have some beers outside a convenience store, just chilling. Hundreds of thousands of people across Korea do it each day and the only long term results of this on their society has been awesome economic growth and continued success...

I think that all true Americans must do the following:

(1) Take away the laws against public consumption of alcohol and being drunk in a public place. They serve no purpose and are draconian.

(2) Take away all of the regulations concerning when/how alcohol is sold. It is draconian and unamerican to regulate busineses like this.

(3) Abolish sin taxes on it because it's our bodies, our choices.

Until then, you will never even begin to be the Land of the Free. You are not living up to your name, to your reputation!

If we really are to support a doctrine of freedom we must begin with things that actually matter, like beer.

More people drink beer and smoke cigarettes than even vote for the Presidency. In reality, laws concerning alcohol are more relevant than our right to vote...

And if we just take this on face value, the United States is not free.

What use is freedom if I can't have a nice, cool beer outside while I smoke a cigarette, without some police officer coming up and giving me a hard time? (And I can't even smoke in the bar because God knows that we need to protect all the drinkers destroying their livers from the second hand smoke...)

The cops who arrested you are morons; public intoxication laws are enforced if the subject is a clear danger to their selves or others. They probably weren't enforceing the law correctly, and you could have fought it in court and won if you could demonstrate how you were not a danger to yourself or others.

 

[new_wine]

Maybe people don't want drunks falling down, puking and acting like madmen in our streets?

You want to stumble around wasted, go stay at home and do it. We don't want you throwing up on us or trying to be our "buddy" or starting fights due to your inhibition being down the crapper.

Go home, be drunk, sleep it off in a pool of your own vomit. We don't need it in public.

In the Republic of Korea, it is legal to drink on the streets.

In Iran, it is not legal to drink on the streets, however in this Islamic Republic they have no law which will lead to someone being arrested for being 'drunk in public.' It is legal to consume alcohol in all private locations.

In most states within the United States of America, a nation which lauds itself to be a free and democratic and super awesome place, you cannot have a beer on the street and you cannot be drunk in public.

The Republic of Korea has a much lower crime rate and has far higher academic success than the United States.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has more fashionable women and better cuisine than the US, yet it does not have the same liberties granted to women and people of 'alternative lifestyles.' However, if you are publicly drunken and not harassing anyone, you will be fine.

In the Home of the Free, the United States of America, I was arrested when I decided to walk home. I was all alone, on a side walk, 10 minutes away from my house when the police came. I was like, "I decided to walk all this long way so I would not drive drunk home... I was doing the right thing... You are seriously going to arrest me?"

"The law is the law."

Apparently, because I was not walking as straight as an arrow, I was liable to be stopped and arrested...

While living in Texas I was warned to not go to certain bars because they arrest people who walk outside of them for being 'drunk in public.' This is how some towns get money -- by fining non-locals who are drunk and merely going home.

When we discuss this issue, so many people like to say, "LOL< come on... Is it really a part of freedom, part of liberty, to be allowed to be drunk on the street, and be allowed to have a beer?

Why not?

I love beer and some drinks. It doesn't make me a criminal. It doesn't make me immoral to have some beers outside a convenience store, just chilling. Hundreds of thousands of people across Korea do it each day and the only long term results of this on their society has been awesome economic growth and continued success...

I think that all true Americans must do the following:

(1) Take away the laws against public consumption of alcohol and being drunk in a public place. They serve no purpose and are draconian.

(2) Take away all of the regulations concerning when/how alcohol is sold. It is draconian and unamerican to regulate busineses like this.

(3) Abolish sin taxes on it because it's our bodies, our choices.

Until then, you will never even begin to be the Land of the Free. You are not living up to your name, to your reputation!

If we really are to support a doctrine of freedom we must begin with things that actually matter, like beer.

More people drink beer and smoke cigarettes than even vote for the Presidency. In reality, laws concerning alcohol are more relevant than our right to vote...

And if we just take this on face value, the United States is not free.

What use is freedom if I can't have a nice, cool beer outside while I smoke a cigarette, without some police officer coming up and giving me a hard time? (And I can't even smoke in the bar because God knows that we need to protect all the drinkers destroying their livers from the second hand smoke...)

 

[Verv]

Mpok,

In retrospect, I should have fought it tooth and nail.

I was clearly walking on the sidewalk and there was not a single person in sight of me. I remember this detail because I was so utterly embarrassed at being arrested I was afraid a person would SEE ME!

I should have fought it tooth and nail.

Maybe people don't want drunks falling down, puking and acting like madmen in our streets?

You want to stumble around wasted, go stay at home and do it. We don't want you throwing up on us or trying to be our "buddy" or starting fights due to your inhibition being down the crapper.

Go home, be drunk, sleep it off in a pool of your own vomit. We don't need it in public.

What is this?

You assume that all people who are drunk will fall down, puke, and act like madmen.

In reality, if you get 100 people drunk, the majority of them will do neither of these.

Here is the thing:

(1) It should be illegal to vomit everywhere and scream like crazy in the street, and people should be arrested for it.

(2) It should not be illegal to be drunk in the street, beacuse you can theoretically scream like crazy and vomit, but are not.

My logic is this:

You might have a 16 year old daughter who is capable of selling her body to strangers on the street, but it does not mean that SHE IS selling her body to strangers on the street.

Arresting drunk people because they might 'act crazy' is like arresting pretty girls in scanty clothes because they might 'be prostitutes.'

 

[Incariol]

Maybe people don't want drunks falling down, puking and acting like madmen in our streets?

You want to stumble around wasted, go stay at home and do it. We don't want you throwing up on us or trying to be our "buddy" or starting fights due to your inhibition being down the crapper.

Go home, be drunk, sleep it off in a pool of your own vomit. We don't need it in public.

Did you even read his post?

1. He was not "falling down, puking," or "acting like madmen" in the street.

2. Stumbling isn't illegal.

3. Again he wasn't throwing up.

4. You missed the point entirely. He was going home, he was walking because driving would have gotten him a DUI. He was being responsible.


And yes, Verv, those cops were blithering idiots. You technically broke the law, but those laws are designed to keep people who can't hold their alcohol and who are dangerous when intoxicated off the streets by giving cops a legitimate cause to arrest them, for their own safety, and the safety of others. You clearly didn't need that, so what happened was an idiotic waste of everyone's time.

 

[Non sequitur]

My logic is this:

You might have a 16 year old daughter who is capable of selling her body to strangers on the street, but it does not mean that SHE IS selling her body to strangers on the street.

Arresting drunk people because they might 'act crazy' is like arresting pretty girls in scanty clothes because they might 'be prostitutes.'

You are leaving out inebriation, which can cause bad judgment.

Originally, there are 3 main factors:

- Person
- Alcohol
- Activities

In your example there are 2 main factors:

- Person
- Activities

That specific example is very logical, but it isn't a proper or appropriate analogy.

 

[solarwave]

You are leaving out inebriation, which can cause bad judgment.

It could also be argued that low intelligence and being in love can cause bad judgement.

 

[Non sequitur]

It could also be argued that low intelligence and being in love can cause bad judgement.

True.

But you don't choose to have a drink of low intelligence or a drink of being in love.

 

[Tuddrussell]

I live in a dry community, we're not even technically allowed to possess alchohol... Even in our own homes!

Of course it has to actually be in plain view in order for it to be a problem, and the worst the cops will do is confiscate it.

I personally don't touch the stuff for anything other than cooking. My alchoholic mother kind of soured me to the whole thing.

Of course getting my nose broken with a beer can when I was eleven might have something to do with it.

Sure we have places like McDonalds, and Taco Bell... But really as long as you avoid heat lamped food like the plague you'll find great places to eat in pretty much any city anywhere.

America has LA, New York, Chicago, Memphis, Seattle... Actually you can go to any major city and you'll find that they are just lousy with fashion and food!

Of the world's 50 best restaurants six are in the US: The Top 50 Best Restaurants 1-50 | The World’s 50 Best Restaurants

American cusine is the most diverse anywhere. You can go to any major city and take a culinary world tour.

We invented the deep dish pizza, the california roll, the philly cheesesteak, the french dip sandwich, the reuben, the corndog, buffalo wings, and pecan pie!

 

[Verv]

Tudd, my comments about fashion and cuisine were partly tongue in cheek.

I said fashion because I know many Iranian women who are very fashionable, either in the very Western sense of the word (while living abroad0 and conforming to Western states, but also being entirely capable of appearing very fashionable while wearing headscarves, etc. It is a certain skill and I kind of admire it...

Plus, I admire the idea of women dressing modestly and fashionably and not resorting to showing off too much skin. Oh no, I'd never support Shariah law being enforced or some Clothes Police out on patorl, not at all, but I like the idea of modesty as a virtue...

---

The cuisine comment only came because, in general, Iranian food is absolutely amazing...

I do say, Americna food is tremendously great -- nothign can beat a very thick, cheesey, meatey American pizza and the American breakfast is awesome...

But Iranian cuisine is quite good as well...

More tongue-in-cheek stuff...

And yes, one huge benefit to living in a big city anywhere in the world is the world cuisine that you can enjoy.

 

[Tuddrussell]

I can't tell when people are joking in real life, where I can actually see their faces, how am I supposed to pick up on that with nothing to go on but straight text?

At any rate, Iranian, American, Whateverican... People are people, and food is food. If you look closely enough you'll find great things everywhere.

Every culture has their own take on cusine and fashion. Among them you'll find examples of genius and idiocy, this is universal to humanity.

People work with the cards they're dealt, and no matter what hand they get a good player can make it a winner. This is why you'll find food and fashion both great and terrible wherever you find people.

If you're telling me that terrible Iranian food doesn't exist, then you are either mistaken or lying.

There is no such thing as good food, only good cooks.

 

[Verv]

That is essentially true but all of us as individuals are bound to have bias towards certain foods.

 

[Tuddrussell]

That is essentially true but all of us as individuals are bound to have bias towards certain foods.

That is irrelevent to my point. Bad food is bad food whether it's a dish you would normally like or not.

I like pizza, but that doesn't mean I like every pizza equally. There's some pretty bad pizza out there.

 

[nesian]

People still drink heavily within their compounds and then venture out into the night, wreaking havoc and painting the town red. But I suppose the streets are more tidy without a large number of bottles being strewn about.

I'd love to be able to sit in a park and enjoy a couple of drinks though.