TwinCrier said:Fine, for the "wrongly executed" I find it terrible that they were unable to prevent themselves from being proven guilty...
Basically it seems like the statement is, it's your fault for not finding the hidden evidence that would prove your innocence. It's your fault if you didn't show your innocence.Neverstop said:*shiver me timbers*
Icicles just appeared on my monitor.
I am terribly saddened by the...apathy shown for those who have been wrongly murdered.
Is it really worth murdering innocent people to have a law that does not deter crime?
I know, just look at post #187 and look at the countries that don't have the death penalty around the world. What are their murder rates?Cliche Guevara said:It isn't.
There are no countries on post 187. Just states.Ninja Turtles said:I know, just look at post #187 and look at the countries that don't have the death penalty around the world. What are their murder rates?
I know there are no countries, that's why I said look at that post and look at countries. Just clearing it up.jamesrwright3 said:There are no countries on post 187.
And the same thing could be said, certain countries will have lower murder rates regardless of their stance on the DP.Ninja Turtles said:I know there are no countries, that's why I said look at that post and look at countries. Just clearing it up.
But when one makes the claim that the death penalty is a deterrent, you should see lower murder rates because criminals would kill without "fear."jamesrwright3 said:And the same thing could be said, certain countries will have lower murder rates regardless of their stance on the DP.
It has to be looked at on a country by country basis.Ninja Turtles said:But when one makes the claim that the death penalty is a deterrent, you should see lower murder rates because criminals would kill without "fear."
TwinCrier said:Fine, for the "wrongly executed" I find it terrible that they were unable to prevent themselves from being proven guilty when it seemed to be done so easily by others after their death, including some who were in diapers at the time the crime took place.
I never can understand how people can be so gung-ho about the death penalty when these are considered the greatest commandments.nyj said:There is no compassion in this comment. None whatsoever!
[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
For the record, Jesus is not referring to the people who live next door to you either.[/font]
ago said:I agree too, the public display of beheaded human beings to elicit terror sounds horrible.
Though, who are we to judge them, their culture, and their history?
Strawman.TwinCrier said:Then why judge anyone guilty of any crime? How can you possibly say it's not a deterrant when you have no ability to so how many murders were prevented?
Too bad you can't have half as much compassion for those who are murdered without benefit of tiral lawyers and appeals, you know, the victims.
Anything to save a killer.
TwinCrier said:Anything to save a killer.
TwinCrier said:Then why judge anyone guilty of any crime? How can you possibly say it's not a deterrant when you have no ability to so how many murders were prevented?
Too bad you can't have half as much compassion for those who are murdered without benefit of tiral lawyers and appeals, you know, the victims.
Anything to save a killer.
Again, how can I show it's a deterrant? Isn't everyone who doesn't commit murder deterred by something, even if it's just their lack of oppourtunity? You know how many people are deterred from committing murder? EVERYONE who doesn't do it. If someone is truly not deterred by the thought of facing execution, then wouldn't every murderer just simply turn themselves in?Ninja Turtles said:Strawman.
If the death penalty as it's carried out is flawed and people call for its abolition, then they want killers to go free.
Your lack of statistics to show deterrence speaks volumes.
And again, you fail to respond to those wrongfully executed.
I have no problem with executing the right people. Innocent until proven guilty is great. It's the idea that once they are proven guilty that we should continue to treat them as innocent that I have issue with.Nathan Poe said:So is it too much to ask that we insure that the right person be executed for the crime?
Is erring on the side of life too much to ask?
As someone who cried when I once accidentally killed a quail, I can say with some conviction that my deterrents are internal.TwinCrier said:Again, how can I show it's a deterrant? Isn't everyone who doesn't commit murder deterred by something, even if it's just their lack of oppourtunity? You know how many people are deterred from committing murder? EVERYONE who doesn't do it. If someone is truly not deterred by the thought of facing execution, then wouldn't every murderer just simply turn themselves in?
Simplicity itself. Find the statistics of states that allow the death penality vs the states that don't and then compare crime rates.TwinCrier said:Again, how can I show it's a deterrant?
So you'd commit murder if there weren't deterrents? I know I wouldn't. Compassion and all thatYou know how many people are deterred from committing murder? EVERYONE who doesn't do it.
Source for this? Figures?Sentences of "Life without parole" are given parole all the time.
So people can't redeem themselves? People don't change? Ever?I have no problem with executing the right people. Innocent until proven guilty is great. It's the idea that once they are proven guilty that we should continue to treat them as innocent that I have issue with.
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