Psalms 5:5

[toolmanjantzi]

Can someone tell me does God HATE workers of iniquity?

What does this fully mean in Hebrew?

Please I want the fullest understanding. No adding to this verse. I want the truth, not Religous beliefs.

Thanks.

 

[drjean]

In 1 John 3:4 we're told that to break the law is sin.

Solomon writes in Proverbs 6:16 - 19 about 7 things which God "hates".
Pride & conceit, lying & falsehood, shedding of innocent blood, wicked-scheming hearts, pursuit of evil, false testimony, dissension & conflicts.

Proverbs 6:16 Hebrew Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
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שֶׁשׁ־ הֵ֭נָּה שָׂנֵ֣א יְהוָ֑ה וְ֝שֶׁ֗בַע [תֹּועֲבֹות כ] (תֹּועֲבַ֥ת &#1511 נַפְשֹֽׁו׃

KJV with Strong's

These six things doth the LORD hate yea seven are an abomination unto him


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משלי 6:16 Hebrew OT: Westminster Leningrad Codex
שֶׁשׁ־הֵ֭נָּה שָׂנֵ֣א יְהוָ֑ה וְ֝שֶׁ֗בַע [תֹּועֲבֹות כ] (תֹּועֲבַ֥ת &#1511 נַפְשֹֽׁו׃משלי 6:16 Hebrew OT: WLC (Consonants Only)
שש־הנה שנא יהוה ושבע [תועבות כ] (תועבת &#1511 נפשו׃
משלי 6:16 Paleo-Hebrew OT: WLC (Font Required)
שש־הנה שנא יהוה ושבע [תועבות כ] (תועבת &#1511 נפשו׃
משלי 6:16 Hebrew Bible
שש הנה שנא יהוה ושבע תועבות נפשו׃
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Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata


Strong's reference to the word "hate" in Hebrew:

8130 [e]śā·nê שָׂנֵ֣א hates

Proverbs 6:16 Hebrew Texts and Analysis


The word hate means bitter disdain or set against. Six things God bitterly disdains, or is set against, but seven [are] an abomination [a disgusting thing] unto him. Seven, in the Bible, means perfection or completion. It's saying those six things that man does God hates, but seven are an abomination to Him. It's clear that the seventh causes completeness in God's hatred and turns it to abominations.
hate

 

[toolmanjantzi]

In 1 John 3:4 we're told that to break the law is sin.

Solomon writes in Proverbs 6:16 - 19 about 7 things which God "hates".
Pride & conceit, lying & falsehood, shedding of innocent blood, wicked-scheming hearts, pursuit of evil, false testimony, dissension & conflicts.

Proverbs 6:16 Hebrew Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)

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KJV with Strong's

These six things doth the LORD hate yea seven are an abomination unto him


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Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata

Strong's reference to the word "hate" in Hebrew:

8130 [e]??·nê ??????? hates

Proverbs 6:16 Hebrew Texts and Analysis

The word hate means bitter disdain or set against. Six things God bitterly disdains, or is set against, but seven [are] an abomination [a disgusting thing] unto him. Seven, in the Bible, means perfection or completion. It's saying those six things that man does God hates, but seven are an abomination to Him. It's clear that the seventh causes completeness in God's hatred and turns it to abominations.
hate

Thanks.

Psalms 5;5 deals with people. The verses you gave me deal with the sin of people.

And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. (Malachi 1:3 KJV)

Deals with a country

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Romans 9:13 KJV)

Deals with a person.

 

[yonah_mishael]

Yes, it says "hates" in Hebrew. That can be interpreted as metaphorically as it is in English, though. It's about context, not about the specific word. Why can Yahweh not be said to hate? Because "God is love?" Well, the Bible says that God hates, too. We shouldn't be shocked by that.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Yes, it says "hates" in Hebrew. That can be interpreted as metaphorically as it is in English, though. It's about context, not about the specific word. Why can Yahweh not be said to hate? Because "God is love?" Well, the Bible says that God hates, too. We shouldn't be shocked by that.

Thank you so much; for confirming that. I have no problem of a righteous, just "Hate", or a sovereign God doing as He pleases. I would just like a confirmation, or a Jewish understanding on this. I hear to much of this "Hyperbole"; which I really think is "Hyperbull".

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

Yeah, just keep in mind that translation is heavily a matter of being able, not only to know literal equivalents of words in both the original and receptor language, but also a skillfulness in being able to discern the particular baggage that a word has in each language. שנא in Hebrew is often used much more heavily with a sense of rejection in Hebrew than it is in English. This is not to say that the text in Ps. 5 doesn't actually mean 'hate,' but just to say that you have to be careful not to download our English/American understanding of 'hate' into a Hebrew text.

I wouldn't go around dogmatically telling people that "God hates sinners," just because without any hermeneutical background people are extremely likely to misunderstand what is meant by that (particularly considering that this is only one verse in a highly poetic and emotionally charged lament to God).

Also just be careful that you don't go to the Psalms looking for ammunition for certain doctrines of theological disagreements. The psalms are some of the greatest and most profound pieces of literature to ever have been written, being carefully selected and edited to make up our Psalm-book. They deserve to be treated with the greatest care, understood in their own context (historically and within the canon of the Psalter) and on their own terms, and appropriated by the reader before they are used for theological squabbles.

 

[yonah_mishael]

Can you give some examples of שנא (rather than מא&#1503 meaning "refuse"? Why would it be absurd to take it as "hate" or "detest" in this context? It certainly means that he has strong negative emotions. It's the opposite of love. We take that as hate.

 

[drjean]

Actually, apathy is opposite of hate or love... hate and love are on the same "side" since it takes passion to obtain either.

 

[yonah_mishael]

Actually, apathy is opposite of hate or love... hate and love are on the same "side" since it takes passion to obtain either.

This is a modern way of thinking. Hate/repulsion has always been the opposite of love/attraction. This was expressed in the pre-Socratic thinkers’ terms of “love” and “strife” as opposite forces that operate among the various elements. The former was thought of as the force that held things together and the latter as that which caused them to come apart. Look into the philosophy of Empedocles for an example.

Just as “hot” is the opposite of “cold,” so “love” is the opposite of “hate.” They may both represent strong feelings (just as up and down represent directional distances, rather than stationary – which represents no motion), and we might say that these feelings move in very opposite directions. Apathy is the lack of strong emotion one way or the other, so it cannot represent the opposite of this or that – but only it’s lack.

Either way, you cannot argue that ancients thought that apathy was the opposite of love. No one in the ancient world would have said that.

 

[4LivingCreations]

Hate, refuse, abhor, etc...
It is a negative feeling that we all understand.

Have you considered the idea that the "workers of iniquity" are inside each and every one of us instead of just being specific whole people?

 

[childofdust]

Can someone tell me does God HATE workers of iniquity?

What does this fully mean in Hebrew?

Please I want the fullest understanding. No adding to this verse. I want the truth, not Religous beliefs.

Thanks.

Psalm 5:5 is not describing YHWH's emotional state, it is part of a song using emphatic, poetic language to communicate to us the intents and feelings of the speaker of the psalm. To give you the context, here is my translation of Psalm 5:2-8 with commentary:

2. [To] my words, YHWH, tune in.
Attend to my muttering.

We start off right away with the knowledge that this is a plea to YHWH: "Listen to me!"

3 Pay attention to my plaintive cry,
my king and my god,
because to you I supplicate.

The deity is named and acknowledged. And we find out that this is more than simply "listen to me," this is "help me!"

4 YHWH, [come] dawn,
you will hear my voice.
[Come] dawn,
I will prepare [an offering] for you
and wait.

This is taking place in the temple. An offering is being given. The person is in the right place doing the right thing.

So YHWH should listen to him and answer his cry for help, right?

Well, the speaker is desperate to be heard and answered, so he goes on...

5 For no god [who] delights [in] wickedness
[are] you.
[The] depraved [one] can not reside long
[with] you.

In other words, "I am not only in the right place doing the right thing, but I'm also a good person! I'm not depraved, I'm not wicked. if I were, you, God, would kick me out. I would not be able to wait in your temple/reside with you.

But wait...maybe the speaker went to far? Perhaps YHWH would take him as boasting? So he better add something to that...

6 Braggarts will not stand before you.
You hate all evil-doers.

In other words: "look, I'm not trying to puff myself up and claim to be some great dude worthy of you listening and answering - I'm just saying that I'm not someone who runs off to do evil at every chance he can. I'm not bragging about anything. I'm just saying--I'm not the kind of person who does such terrible things that you shouldn't listen to me and answer when I call."

Like who?

7 You destroy speakers of deceit.
The man of bloodshed and treachery,
YHWH abhors.

Like people who constantly lie, who slaughter other human beings, who deal falsely with those in their trust - the speaker is saying "I'm not any one of those."

So what's the point of all this? Why spend so much time talking about that?

8 But I, because of your great faithfulness,
will enter your Temple,
will worship toward your holy palace.

To contrast with the reality of his situation. YHWH has been faithful toward him and he shows his gratitude both inside the temple and when he is away from it. So he is confident that YHWH wil hear him and answer his plea.

The point of all this is an appeal to YHWH. And it also serves a counter measure - to prick the conscience of terrible people who think YHWH should turn favorably towards them despite their abominable behavior. Obviously, in the view of the psalm, YHWH will not listen to the cries of abominable people (contrary to OSAS).

The description of braggarts, evil-doers, liars, murderers, and faithless ones serves as the vehicle for emphasizing the thoughts and emotions of the speaker - not to say anything about YHWH's emotions.