proving evolution as just a "theory"

[sfs]

That doesn't work for everybody because for some, it isn't Christianity unless you believe the Bible, even when it disagrees with science.

You can believe the Bible without believing that the first few chapters of Genesis are an accurate, literal account of history.

 

[sfs]

Are you saying that Creation Scientists are not included in the science community?

When acting as creation scientists? No, they're not. You can be a fine physicist or even cell biologist and be a creationist, but "creation science" isn't science. It's a particular interpretation of Genesis dressed up in scientific clothing. That's not how science is done.

 

[sfs]

The long, convoluted, back and forth, senseless, cruel history of spectacularly inefficient natural selection is inconsistent with the omnipotent, benevolent God of Christianity.

That's an opinion, not a fact about Christianity and evolution. Plenty of Christian disagree. For example, N.T. Wright:

 

[Jimmy D]

why not? here is one potential issue:

Oldest Trees Appear To Be The Most Complex That Ever Existed

"The fossilized remains of a tree that lived 374 million years ago suggest that the earliest trees we know of might also have been the ones with the most complex internal structure in the history of our planet."

"This raises a provoking question: why are the very oldest trees the most complicated?”

Which is evidence against evolution.....why?

I don't see anything that suggests the authors of the paper find it problematic.

The evolution of trees and forests in the Mid–Late Devonian Period, 393–359 million years ago, profoundly transformed the terrestrial environment and atmosphere. The oldest fossil trees belong to the Cladoxylopsida. Their water-conducting system is a ring of hundreds of individual strands of xylem (water-conducting cells) that are interconnected in many places. Using anatomically preserved trunks, we show how these trees could grow to a large size by the production of large amounts of soft tissues and new wood around the individual xylem strands and by a controlled structural collapse at the expanding base. We have discovered a complex tree growth strategy unique in Earth history, but with some similarity to that of living palms.

 

[xianghua]

Which is evidence against evolution.....why?

I don't see anything that suggests the authors of the paper find it problematic.

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of course. since evolution isnt realy science, any finding isnt realy a problem for evolution.

 

[Jimmy D]

of course. since evolution isnt realy science, any finding isnt realy a problem for evolution.

Make your mind up. Why did you post it if you don't think it's evidence against evolution?

 

[xianghua]

You can be a fine physicist or even cell biologist and be a creationist, but "creation science" isn't science.

first: evolution isnt science either since we cant test it (if we can prove it). secondly: id can be test so its a scientific model.

 

[xianghua]

Make your mind up. Why did you post it if you don't think it's evidence against evolution?

i do think that its at least potential issue with evolution, if we consider evolution as a sicentific theory. but since evolution predict nothing, then any finding cant be evidence against it.

 

[Jimmy D]

i do think that its at least potential issue with evolution, if we consider evolution as a sicentific theory. but since evolution predict nothing, then any finding cant be evidence against it.

I think you're quite confused. If you don't like the idea of life evolving that's up to you, no problem.

Some of these things you suggest are quite bizarre though and seem to have nothing to do with the reality of the situation. I'd suggest you find a more productive use for your time.

 

[sfs]

first: evolution isnt science either since we cant test it (if we can prove it).

Not your call to make. Scientists think it's science, and they know more about science than you do.

 

[bhsmte]

first: evolution isnt science either since we cant test it (if we can prove it). secondly: id can be test so its a scientific model.

Please go on. What is the falsifiable test for ID?

 

[xianghua]

Scientists think it's science, and they know more about science than you do.

if you refer to scientists who believe in creation- then no. they also think evolution isnt science. so it depends on which scientists are we talking about.

by the way: scientists also thought that there are no quasicrystals in nature. but they were all wrong.

 

[Skreeper]

if you refer to scientists who believe in creation- then no. they also think evolution isnt science. so it depends on which scientists are we talking about.

Nobody cares what the 10 creation "scientists" think about evolution. We shouldn't pay too much attention to what nutjobs like flat-earthers think and your creation scientists belong in that category.

 

[xianghua]

Nobody cares what the 10 creation "scientists" think about evolution. We shouldn't pay too much attention to what nutjobs like flat-earthers think and your creation scientists belong in that category.

we are talking about 5-10% of all scientists. means many scientists, maybe even more then a million who dont believe in a evolution. but if you say so...

 

[bhsmte]

we are talking about 5-10% of all scientists. means many scientists, maybe even more then a million who dont believe in a evolution. but if you say so...

Please respond to post 3471

 

[rjs330]

You say evolution doesn't fit the current definition of science, but scientists think it does. How come they are all wrong? Conspiracy by evil liars, or all under Satan's influence, or they are all stupid, or they are all greedy and being paid by rich atheists, or what? And how is it that you know better?

They are all wrong. Evolution from a common ancestor does not fit the definition of science. They all believe it because that is all that is taught anymore. Do you know of any other theories that are taught in school? Do they teach anywhere in school all the evidence against the theory and let people decide for themselves? No. In school I was taught only evolution. There was nothing else. It was always taught as factual science and anything else if it was brought up was summarily dismissed. It's not that people are deliberately trying to be deceptive. They really honestly believe that stuff.

Yes Satan has influence upon the human thought. The Bible tells us the world is under his influence. It doesn't mean people are demon possessed or that the devil appears to them in their bedrooms at night and tells them to lie about. He blinds people to the truth. He is deceptive and cunning. He only needed to influence some and the rest of humanity just followed along.

Humanity did not come from the same ancestor as the dolphin and the spider. The whale did not come from the same ancestor as the snake. Each creature was created differerently than the other from the start. The fact that some of them have evolved stronger wings or better camo or a different digestive system in order to survive is NOT evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. Neither are similarities.

 

[bhsmte]

They are all wrong. Evolution from a common ancestor does not fit the definition of science. They all believe it because that is all that is taught anymore. Do you know of any other theories that are taught in school? Do they teach anywhere in school all the evidence against the theory and let people decide for themselves? No. In school I was taught only evolution. There was nothing else. It was always taught as factual science and anything else if it was brought up was summarily dismissed. It's not that people are deliberately trying to be deceptive. They really honestly believe that stuff.

Yes Satan has influence upon the human thought. The Bible tells us the world is under his influence. It doesn't mean people are demon possessed or that the devil appears to them in their bedrooms at night and tells them to lie about. He blinds people to the truth. He is deceptive and cunning. He only needed to influence some and the rest of humanity just followed along.

Humanity did not come from the same ancestor as the dolphin and the spider. The whale did not come from the same ancestor as the snake. Each creature was created differerently than the other from the start. The fact that some of them have evolved stronger wings or better camo or a different digestive system in order to survive is NOT evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. Neither are similarities.

And your science degree and experience is what again?

 

[Jimmy D]

we are talking about 5-10% of all scientists. means many scientists, maybe even more then a million who dont believe in a evolution. but if you say so...

Where did you get that figure from?

 

[Speedwell]

They are all wrong. Evolution from a common ancestor does not fit the definition of science. They all believe it because that is all that is taught anymore. Do you know of any other theories that are taught in school? Do they teach anywhere in school all the evidence against the theory and let people decide for themselves? No. In school I was taught only evolution. There was nothing else. It was always taught as factual science and anything else if it was brought up was summarily dismissed. It's not that people are deliberately trying to be deceptive. They really honestly believe that stuff.

Yes Satan has influence upon the human thought. The Bible tells us the world is under his influence. It doesn't mean people are demon possessed or that the devil appears to them in their bedrooms at night and tells them to lie about. He blinds people to the truth. He is deceptive and cunning. He only needed to influence some and the rest of humanity just followed along.

Humanity did not come from the same ancestor as the dolphin and the spider. The whale did not come from the same ancestor as the snake. Each creature was created differerently than the other from the start. The fact that some of them have evolved stronger wings or better camo or a different digestive system in order to survive is NOT evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. Neither are similarities.

If Satan is behind the theory of evolution, he's not doing his job. Evolution only disturbs the faith of a minority of Protestant Christians, leaving the rest secure in their salvation in Christ. You'd think he'd come up with something more effective.

 

[bhsmte]

Where did you get that figure from?

Thin air???