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proving evolution as just a "theory"

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The third one is a personal favorite, because of how convoluted the attempts at explaining it away are. They can be as ridiculous as suggesting he fell on his sword as an enemy soldier shot at him with arrows or hacked at him with their own sword, and this was all done through the will of god.

Reminds me of Trump. Take all positions and no one knows what you're going to do. Perhaps God is insuring that ONLY by faith can one be saved. Saving faith can only come from the Father as a Gift. Eph 2:8 Keeps the riff raff out of Heaven. Amen?
 
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That's odd. All the scientists and the scientific community at large says it is science. All the university science departments accept it as science. So is it a giant conspiracy or is the vast majority of the scientific community stupid?
Scientists are all wrong, having been disproven by random uneducated people on internet message boards.

If only more of them read CF!
 
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I should think that God, should he exist, wouldn't respond to magical incantations.

True, though when you mention his name before others, you invite him into your life and love, love and love and peace and joy is what you will experience. I am happy for you my friend.
 
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Can you explain HOW we get to Heaven?

I don't know. But I know how to know and to experience the Lord Jesus Christ. @Tinker Grey certainly, I believe has got the right mindset to explore the unknown for him, how exciting, isn't it?
 
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You're wrong about the testing part; like everything in science, it can be and is tested. You just don't care.

Plus, the process itself is observable. We see the same process operating today. There is nothing magical about evolution whether it's happening in our lifetimes or millions of years ago.

Please point me to the test where we tested a common ancestor. Please point me to observation where we observed something evolving from a common ancestor into something it wasn't already.
 
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That's odd. All the scientists and the scientific community at large says it is science. All the university science departments accept it as science. So is it a giant conspiracy or is the vast majority of the scientific community stupid?

It's not either. It's a belief. A belief system that drives the theory. It's not based upon real science which can be tested and observed. It can't be because we do not observe anything transforming by evolution into something it's not already. It can't be tested because you can't test to transform something into something else.
 
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True, though when you mention his name before others, you invite him into your life and love, love and love and peace and joy is what you will experience. I am happy for you my friend.
It doesn't work that way. Your god isn't real. Jesus isn't real. It's a delusion.

How about I say: Vishnu is king. Does that invalidate my previous typing?

This is a prime example of mystical, magical thinking.
 
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I don't know. But I know how to know and to experience the Lord Jesus Christ. @Tinker Grey certainly, I believe has got the right mindset to explore the unknown for him, how exciting, isn't it?
Dude! I was just showing that typing/saying words is not magic. If @sfs typed the words as you demanded of him, it wouldn't prove anything -- just as my typing those words didn't mean anything. Get over it.
 
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and you call this science? realy?

Given some of the things you post here, I can see why my statement of fact confuses and frightens you.

according to this logic a car evolved from an airplane since they both sharing similar wheels.

You really are obstinately committed to not comprehending that non-living things, which do not reproduce or pass along genetic material to offspring are not analogous to living things, aren't you?

we also know that a tipical globin is about 150 aa long. so the chance to get the first globin may be low as one in 10^75.

Irrelevant. The basic globin genes existed in the agnathan population. They diversified after the genome duplications and subsequent mutations. And what do you mean by "150 aa long"?
 
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thanks. so the claim that a mammal with feathers genes as evidence against evolution is false. are we clear about that too?

No, that is a lie. I have explained why it is a lie several times. If you wish to continue to propagate and repeat a lie, that is your choice.
 
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actually its not was my claim: "I'm here to demonstrate that common descent - as a hypothesis at face value - is a better explanation than intelligent design because common descent is observed in nature"

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but as i said: we cant observe a fish that evolve into human.

Actually we can, but as I have noted, you don't seem to understand what constitutes a scientific observation.
 
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It's not either. It's a belief. A belief system that drives the theory.

It's funny when you guys post stuff like this and expect to be taken seriously.

It's not based upon real science which can be tested and observed. It can't be because we do not observe anything transforming by evolution into something it's not already. It can't be tested because you can't test to transform something into something else.

You really don't understand how science works, do you?
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If whales evolved from terrestrial mammals we would expect to find certain things in addition to the characteristics that undeniably make them mammals.

From physiology we see that unlike fish and marine reptiles (see the ichthyosaur body plan), which move side to side, whales should move up and down just like their terrestrial counterparts do. Indeed, that is what we observe. A potential falsification would be if they undulated side to side and their flukes were shaped and positioned like those of Ichthyosaurs.

Based on the fact that we've observed atavistic legs on whales, we would expect from genetics and embryology to see that they retain anatomical or molecular vestiges for hind leg development. We observe both.

Embryonic dolphins develop limb buds that are absorbed back into the body as the fetus grows. (see photo at bottom of page)
Cetacean Palaeobiology

Cetaceans also have the gene package for limb development. In legged vertebrates, Sonic Hedgehog and Hand2 work together to develop them, but in cetaceans that gene package is non-functioning so the limb buds never develop unless there is a problem and atavistic hand limbs actually grow.
Developmental basis for hind-limb loss in dolphins and origin of the cetacean bodyplan

Press release here:
05 » How ancient whales lost their legs, got sleek and conquered the oceans » University of Florida
>> In all limbed vertebrates, Sonic hedgehog is required for normal limbs to develop beyond the knee and elbow joints. Because ancient whales’ hind limbs remained perfectly formed all the way to the toes even as they became smaller suggests that Sonic hedgehog was still functioning to pattern the limb skeleton.

The new research shows that, near the end of 15 million years, with the hind limbs of ancient whales nonfunctional and all but gone, lack of Sonic hedgehog clearly comes into play. While the animals still may have developed embryonic hind limb buds, as happens in today’s spotted dolphins, they didn’t have the Sonic hedgehog required to grow a complete or even partial limb, although it is active elsewhere in the embryo.

The team also showed why Sonic hedgehog became inactive and all traces of hind limbs vanished at the end of this stage of whale evolution, said Cohn. A gene called Hand2, which normally functions as a switch to turn on Sonic hedgehog, was shown to be inactive in the hind limb buds of dolphins. Without it, limb development grinds to a halt. <<
 
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It's not either. It's a belief. A belief system that drives the theory. It's not based upon real science which can be tested and observed.
I've probably asked this before, but could you please point me to some of the scientific papers you've written? Because you'd sure better have some kind of expertise in science to be making that kind of judgment. Somebody would have to be pretty confused if he didn't know have any background in science but was still telling scientists how to do their job. Right?
 
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