proving evolution as just a "theory"

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No he understands it very well and your points are full of assumptions.
 
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If it we're sound science then I would agree. But it's not.
 
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No he understands it very well and your points are full of assumptions.

Assumptions! POOF!

{smoke clears}

Oh look, the evidence remains and remains unaddressed.
 
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so a motor is evidence for design or not?


In a similar way you need to ask further questions, or contribute further observations, before anyone can properly answer as to whether or not a motor is evidence for design

so you are not sure if a motor is evidence for design or not?
 
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Because common descent requires that humans originally had the same number of chromosomes as other primates.

not realy. we can always claim for a different phylogenetic tree, or for a convergent evolution on chromosomes number (tobacco has 48 chromosomes too).secondy: creation model also requires that humans originally had the same number of chromosomes as other primates, since we already know that they are sharing about 98% of their genome. the logical conclusion is of course a chromosomal fusion.


and again: are you now agree that a motor is evidence for design?
 
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so a motor is evidence for design or not?




so you are not sure if a motor is evidence for design or not?
It appears I have been unclear. I'll try again.

Your questions are meaningless. The questions must be expanded, with relevant detail, before they become meaningful and before they can be answered. I already gave you a suggestion as to one aspect of the detail that might help: define what you mean by "motor".
 
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creation model also requires that humans originally had the same number of chromosomes as other primates, since we already know that they are sharing about 98% of their genome. the logical conclusion is of course a chromosomal fusion.
We also by the same measurable criteria know they share a common ancestor but for some odd reason, you really, really don't want to acknowledge that point
according to this criteria a plastic watch is evidence for design but an organic watch (made from wood) isn't
Depends whether the organic watch shows telltale signs of inorganic manipulation, such as toolmarks of manufacture, a designer designing it and fssddhioning it into shape, etc.
 
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according to this criteria a plastic watch is evidence for design but an organic watch (made from wood) isn't.

We've had this conversation before.

Your arguments still rest on equivocation. Until you can fully appreciate the difference between living organisms, non-living things made from organic components, and things made from inorganic components, this discussion will go nowhere.
 
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not realy.
Yes, really.
we can always claim for a different phylogenetic tree,
Well, you can, but scientists are constrained by the evidence, and other phylogenetic trees are not allowed by the evidence.
secondy: creation model also requires that humans originally had the same number of chromosomes as other primates, since we already know that they are sharing about 98% of their genome.
The part before "since" does not follow from the part after "since". It is, in fact, completely wrong, since creationists used to argue that the different number of chromosomes for humans as evidence against common descent.

To sum up: biologists actually did predict that they would find evidence for a chromosome fusion -- that's why they went and looked for it. Creationists actually did claim that there had been no fusion.
 
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Well, you can, but scientists are constrained by the evidence, and other phylogenetic trees are not allowed by the evidence.

not according to those scientists:

https://phys.org/news/2009-06-humans-orangutans-chimps.html

"Of these features, the analysis found that humans shared 28 unique physical characteristics with orangutans, compared to only two features with chimpanzees, seven with gorillas, and seven with all three apes (chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans). Gorillas and chimpanzees shared 11 unique characteristics."

and they aren't creationists...

It is, in fact, completely wrong, since creationists used to argue that the different number of chromosomes for humans as evidence against common descent.

1) can you provide any evidence for this claim?
2) i dont care what some creationists argue for. i gave you a simple explanation under the creation model.


i also noticed that you ignored again my simple question about the motor. wonder why...
 
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i also noticed that you ignored again my simple question about the motor. wonder why...
Because we have all answered that question over and over again until we are sick of it. A motor is not evidence of design just because it is a motor. You can't tell whether such a thing is designed unless it shows indications of human manufacture. And the same answer applies to watches, robots and organic autogyros on the moon and all the other examples you have come up with. Function and complexity are not evidence of design.
 
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