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Yes. Thank you for taking the time to provide such a detailed point by point reply. I suppose we could probably converse for hours about each aspect of each topic, but neither time, nor energy, nor interest, permits me to launch into such an endeavor.HiEv replied to my post with many insightful comments too numerous to mention.
Not sure what you mean by "cross contamination", considering that one of the means by which a new species can arise is via hybridization. That's how that species of lizard in which all of them are female came to be.I see evidence everywhere for a single intelligent designer, who simultaneously created different species, without any cross contamination of species.
So, I actually looked this one up. DNA doesn't have a Fibonnici pattern in it, it occurs in segments 21 angstroms wide by 34 angstroms long, and 21 and 34 happen to be numbers that can occur in the same Fibonnicci sequence. Given that DNA is the genetic material of all known living organisms, it'd be much more mysterious if these numbers weren't consistent between different species. In fact, the chemical properties of molecules demand the consistency.The inherent embedded Fibonnici DNA pattern found across species highlight a single designer signiture.
1. species is a label we assign to organisms, not an inherent property of them. Thus, the lines that define the distinctions between species have a level of subjectivity to them. As a result, despite the fact that the genetics of a population are always changing, one cannot pinpoint the exact moment when said population transitions from its "original species" to another.Transmutation of species would indicate evolution and a totally alien DNA signiture.
That is exactly what would happen, because the transition is not a prety picture. When one species morphs with another, you get a confused state, where the land based wants to prematurely grow bones, before the bones are covered by flesh.
We have a brain and can create language and terms that we can use to understand one another. They don't have to be in text books or taught at school.
It is a picture from Berkley. Here it is.....
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What do you think that presto and all those species came to be overnight and without transmutations?
Your kidding right?
Even if we did only ever see an intelligent designer design and build them, we still couldn't say with 100% certainty that they couldn't come about by some other method.... like natually... as we observe..
. What was your answer to sfs on that point btw, was our genome copied from the great apes and we diverged from there? I'm not sure of a reason why we would see a fusion event as if we had 24 pairs of chromosomes in the first place otherwise...
actually yes:When has a human ever designed a bacterial flagellum?
The fan is NOT evidence of design
I would suggest not using the word "theory" to mean hypothesis, or unproven.
Theory in scientific knowledge means proven via experiment.
Hypotheses such as Darwinian evolution grow over time to become "theories."
That said Darwinian theory has some significant challenges facing it.
There is the sudden arrival in only 50 million years of almost all phyla during the Cambrian era circa 550 million years ago.
The Darwinian inference is orders of magnitude more gradual.
Further we find severe limits to change organisms can support leading I oscillation around a norm rather than the unbounded directional evolution we would need to produce speciation.
We have new body plans formed through epigenetic information not found in the DNA and not subject to the same random mutation.
Further random mutation destroys information not the other way around.
So we have some significant barriers to evolution due to the destructive nature of the vast majority of variations producing devolution (current figures demonstrate over 10000 to 1 random negative impacts to positive impacts).
Numerous complex specified machines in the cells,
Sudden arrival of information-rich DNA?
Origin of life barriers at both the early Earth as well as the universe levels all are part of the discussion.
Not likely, because it shows evdence of intelligent design. The evidence is not in it's function (function is not evidence of intelligent design) or its complexity (complexity is not evidence of intelligent design) but because it shows evidence of human manufacture from which we conclude that it was intelligently designed. We conclude that it is designed not because it is a fan, but because it is a human-manufactured fan.so this fan can evolve naturally?
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The vestigial centromere and telomeres were not known when the fusion was proposed, so yes, they really were a prediction.
If you find one of those in a cell, we'll have something to talk about.
You can't conclude that a motor is designed just because it is a motor. You can only tell if you find evidence that it is a human-manufactured motor. That is how we (except for ID enthusiasts, I suppose) determine if an object is designed.but you said before that motors arent evidence for design. so now you agree with me that a motor is evidence for design?
Please show me a human-designed flagellum, as opposed to a human-designed diagram of one.
If I 'define' parts of a star such that is 'resembles' a furnace, can I conclude that because humans make furnaces that stars are human contrivances, too?.
The structures LOOK the same, but physically are DISTINCT.
An organism that is a mammal and an organism THAT LOOKS LIKE A MAMMAL could evolve independently.
Is a tomato evidence for air transport?so a motor is evidence for design or not?
so this fan can evolve naturally?
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if they look the same, they should be the same physically too.
Because common descent requires that humans originally had the same number of chromosomes as other primates.why it was proposed at all?
The creation model (if there were one) doesn't impose any requirements on the number of chromosomes that humans were created with. Therefore it makes no prediction about whether there was a fusion or not.the simple answer is because this is the only logical conclusion. so the creation model predict it too, as i said.
Cars, robots, and watches are things that, in our experience, are the products of humans. If what you're talking about is the product of natural processes, then how does it count as a car, robot, or watch?
The fact is, we conclude that things are the result of design by seeing evidence of humans designing such things, such as car factories, "Made in China" on it, or being made of things we know are also the product of humans.
The question should be: if we find a self-replicating organism on another planet that we're able to reproduce, can we conclude that it's the product of design?
The reason why is that I want to know why your "intelligent designer" thought over 350,000 species of beetles is necessary, when there are only a bit over 5,000 species of mammals. This is a question you simply dodged answering.
You've been handed an example of bad design. You've utterly failed to explain it in your framework. This is just an attempt to ignore it.
Also, I'm neither an alien nor a moron. You don't need to link me to a Wikipedia article on what a spare tire is.
LOL. The line you quoted referred to the blind spot in the eye, which verifiably exists! Dawkins wasn't wrong at all!
So, you quote mined, and then you either failed to notice that your quote mine was talking about something that was verifiably still true, or you deliberately implied that it was about something else.
I already gave you examples. To repeat, we have blind spots and we're prone to detached retinas, glaucoma, and presbyopia due to the layout of the human eye.
Yeah, and where do all of those things occur? They all occur where the nerve ends at the top of the throat.
My point was that the nerve had no other functions which would explain the circuitous route that the nerve takes, from the brain, all the way down to the heart, and then back up to the top of the throat.
What part of "fossil rabbits in the Precambrian" do you not get? That's the given example of a fossil that doesn't fit that criteria. If one existed there would be no way to explain it within the evolutionary model. I don't know why you're pretending that examples can't exist when you've been given one.
One family doesn't evolve into another one, that's not how evolution works. A species evolves into another one.
That being said, we have plenty of examples of evolution of the sort that I believe you're trying to ask for. For example, I recommend looking up the evolution of whales some time. If you think that doesn't qualify, I'd love to hear you explain why.
You're talking about the theory of evolution, while I was talking about the fact of evolution. Those are two things that people easily confuse (as you just demonstrated).
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