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What is it you have a problem with, do you think Evolutionary change is only ever a linear progression? ...because it isn't.where is the limit of pushing a creature back in time? by pushing it 40my? 50?
There is no absolute number. It is a matter of where a fossil fits in an evolutionary line. So the limit is where a fossil would pre-date an evolved feature.where is the limit of pushing a creature back in time? by pushing it 40my? 50?
where is the limit of pushing a creature back in time? by pushing it 40my? 50?
God obviously allows chance to take place in this universe. The difference is God did not create by chance. Genesis shows he's was very deliberate in what he created. He did not create one thing (whatever that is supposed to be). And then sit back see what became of it. He created everything and many things. He created one man and one woman after everything else was created.
17 For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth. 18 As the waters rose higher and higher above the ground, the boat floated safely on the surface. 19 Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth, 20 rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks (Gen 7:11-20 NLT).
once we find it, THEN it's evidence. Until then, it's just another unfounded assertion. Why don't you talk to someone about going in to get it?
Wait, now you are claiming that the flood placed down all those layers in the grand canyon? I thought you were saying those layers were there from creation.The Flood?
Hah! Miles in diameter and worth its weight in gold? Why aren't you going after it? Were you holding off for a really big opportunity?I do daily. Do you know any scientists or wealthy preachers who would like to find the most valuable treasure on planet Earth? It's miles in diameter and worth its weight in Gold AND it's empirical proof of life before the Big Bang of our cosmos. It's Adam's firmament (made the 2nd Day Gen 1:8) which was brought into our Universe (made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4) 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat. It sank in Lake Van, Turkey releasing the 450 ft Ark into our ecosystem.
What's a "kind"?
Hah! Miles in diameter and worth its weight in gold? Why aren't you going after it? Were you holding off for a really big opportunity?
You might be better off arguing this in another forum. You seem to be interested in arguing your rather unusual theology and that really isn't going to get settled in a science forum.There are two kinds. One is "His" kind or common ancestors made by the hands of Jesus to be temporary and are subject to death. The other is "Their" kinds which are the kinds made to be FOREVER, immortal, made to never die.
Look at this verse:
Gen 1:25 And God (Trinity) made the beast of the earth after HIS kind, and cattle after THEIR kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.
The temporary creatures made by Jesus must be "created" by the Trinity in order to be Eternal. It's the SAME with Humans and WHY we MUST be born again, born from above by God the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Gen 1:26 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Are you one of Their kinds who will NEVER die?
You might be better off arguing this in another forum. You seem to be interested in arguing your rather unusual theology and that really isn't going to get settled in a science forum.
You seemed to have been saying that all the rocks were created at creation with an appearance of age. Since the rocks have fossils, that would mean they were created with fossils. I see now that you have apparently abandoned the idea that the rocks were created with age, and have apparently switched to flood geology.There was no death prior to Genesis 3, so why would there be fossils in Genesis 1?
No, but knowing that people believe some of the weird things I see here scares me.Does the Truth scare scientists?
False, altered version which adds to God's Truth. Here is the KJV,
Gen 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
The "add to" in your version is in lifting the boat high above earth. The altered view preacher is getting ready to put his thoughts into God's words.
Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
The water deepened and the Ark floated on the water. Your version agrees.
Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
The "add to" here is claiming the highest mountains were covered instead of the high hills.
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
The "add to" here is that the flood was 22.5 feet ABOVE the "mountain peaks" and the less altered version shows that Adam's FLAT Earth was covered when the flood reached a depth of 22.5 feet PERIOD. No wonder so many people are confused when they read what they THINK was written. That's religion/belief and not Scripture.
Adam's FLAT Earth
Can't say I do - but again, once we find it, THEN it's evidence. Until then, it's just another unfounded assertion. Surely someone with some scuba gear could take a few pics or something?I do daily. Do you know any scientists or wealthy preachers who would like to find the most valuable treasure on planet Earth? It's miles in diameter and worth its weight in Gold AND it's empirical proof of life before the Big Bang of our cosmos. It's Adam's firmament (made the 2nd Day Gen 1:8) which was brought into our Universe (made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4) 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat. It sank in Lake Van, Turkey releasing the 450 ft Ark into our ecosystem.
So flood level was above Mt Everest? Where did all that water come from? Where did it go?Aman,
Please prove that from Genesis 6-7. I'm waiting with baited breath!
You complain about the modern translation I used, New Living Translation, adding to the Bible with 'high'. By the way, the KJV you quoted is not the original KJV of 1611 (which I'll quote below) but probably a parallel to the 1769 revision.
Now let's look at various English translations of Gen 7:17,
Wycliffe's Bible appeared 2 centuries BEFORE the KJV of 1611: '17 And the great flood was made (for) forty days and forty nights on [the] earth, and the waters were multiplied, and raised (up) the ship on high from the earth'.
The Great Bible (BEFORE KJV): ' 17 And the floude came fortye dayes vpon the earth, & the waters were increaced, and bare vp the Arke, whiche was lyfte vp aboue the erth'.
Bishops' Bible (BEFORE KJV): 'And the fludde came fourtie dayes vpon the earth, and the waters were increased, and bare vp the arke, whiche was lyft vp aboue the earth'.
Douay-Rheims Bible was BEFORE the KJV: 'And the flood was forty days upon the earth: and the waters increased, and lifted up the ark on high from the earth.
The Geneva Bible (BEFORE KJV) with modern spelling, 'Then the flood was forty days upon the earth, and the waters were increased,and bare up the Ark, which was lifted up above the earth'.
The Coverdale Bible (BEFORE KJV): 'Then came the water floude fourtie dayes vpon the earth, and the water increased, and bare vp the Arcke, and lift it vp ouer ye earth'.
KJV of 1611, 'And the Flood was fortie dayes vpon the earth, and the waters increased, and bare vp the Arke, and it was lift vp aboue the earth'.
NKJV: '17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth'.
ESV: '17 The flood continued forty days on the earth. The waters increased and bore up the ark, and it rose high above the earth'
NRSV: '17 The flood continued for forty days on the earth; and the waters increased, and bore up the ark, and it rose high above the earth'.
NLT: 'For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth'.
NIRV: 'For 40 days the flood kept coming on the earth. As the waters rose higher, they lifted the ark high above the earth'.
NET: 'The flood engulfed the earth for forty days. As the waters increased, they lifted the ark and raised it above the earth'.
Notice the difference between the KJV and the NKJV. Why has the KJV translated as 'lift vp aboue' and the NKJV, 'rose high above'? Because that's the meaning of the Hebrew. The modern versions convey it in a clearer way. It's really the formal equivalence translation of the KJV (1611) that has left out the 'high'. It is NOT that the modern translations have added 'high', but they have given us an accurate rendition into English of what the Hebrew language means for this verse.
Hebrew scholar, H C Leupold, explains what is the meaning of 'lift vp aboue' vs. 'rose high above'. He stated,
Naturally "the waters mounted" (rabbah＝"grew great"). It was not long before sufficient water was displaced to "lift up" (nasa’) the ark. So it "went high" (rûm＝"be high") above the earth (Leupold, 1942, Exposition of Genesis 7:17).
Therefore, it is the KJV and earlier translatios - except the Douay-Rheims and your support for the KJV translation of Gen 7:17 - that demonstrates that it is the KJV and you that got it wrong when the Hebrew, rûm, in Gen 7:17, because it means 'be high' and 'high' must be in the English translation of the Hebrew OR some word that is a synonym to 'high'.
I do wish KJV-only supporters like yourself would get your facts straight about the exegesis of the biblical text. Your accusation against me regarding Gen 7:17, that I used an 'altered version which adds to God's Truth', is untrue. This was a false allegation.
Oz
So flood level was above Mt Everest? Where did all that water come from? Where did it go?
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