proving evolution as just a "theory"

doubtingmerle said:

But I would like you to understand me. If you do not understand me, then I am wasting my time writing to you.

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Part of the challenge is its creationists' best interest to not understand. Otherwise it becomes harder to make claims like there is "no evidence" for evolution.

Jimmy D said:

Aman invented it, he's the only person to really understand the bible don't you know.

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False. It's what Scripture actually says instead of what some ancient goat herder thought it said. Only the people of the last days will understand. Dan 12:4

Bugeyedcreepy said:

I'm not sure you understand what Evolution is and how it works. Literally, a change in the frequency of alleles in a population is evolution.

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False. That's the godless scientific view which is only a half-truth. Literally, descent with modifications within kinds, which show up genetically in populations over time, is HOW God made us. Godless men, attempting to eliminate God from His own Creation changed descent with modifications into the godless term evolution. Then they entered the Religion of Evolism by force teaching their idiotic view that Humans evolved from Apes, to innocent children in Public Schools.

Aman777 said:

False. That's the godless scientific view which is only a half-truth. Literally, descent with modifications within kinds, which show up genetically in populations over time, is HOW God made us. Godless men, attempting to eliminate God from His own Creation changed descent with modifications into the godless term evolution. Then they entered the Religion of Evolism by force teaching their idiotic view that Humans evolved from Apes, to innocent children in Public Schools.

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Yes, it's a global satanic conspiracy of atheistic scientists to keep an eccentric Protestant minority from force-teaching their sectarian doctrine to innocent children in the public schools. The amazing thing is, most other Christians are going along with it.

Aman777 said:

Why don't you refute it by geting Scripture to agree with your view? Amen?

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But then I am not a bible miner myself.

Speedwell said:

Yes, it's a global satanic conspiracy of atheistic scientists to keep an eccentric Protestant minority from force-teaching their sectarian doctrine to innocent children in the public schools. The amazing thing is, most other Christians are going along with it.

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How do you know who is and who is not a Christian? Most people have been brain washed into believing the False ToE, which is nothing more than genetic changes within a population over time. God told us of descent within kinds more than 3k years ago but Godless men changed His Truth into the incomplete, untrue, Evol Fantasy. In the last Days, as Science continues to confirm what God told us in Genesis, the ToE will be exposed as the biggest satanic Lie ever told.

TerryWoodenpic said:

But then I am not a bible miner myself.

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In your attempt to identify a Scriptural "quote miner", you fail. NO Godless atheist, agnostic or phony can understand Genesis. Thanks for identifying yourself. God Bless you

Aman777 said:

False. That's the godless scientific view which is only a half-truth. Literally, descent with modifications within kinds

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Citation Please!

Aman777 said:

, which show up genetically in populations over time, is HOW God made us. Godless men, attempting to eliminate God from His own Creation changed descent with modifications into the godless term evolution. Then they entered the Religion of Evolism by force teaching their idiotic view that Humans evolved from Apes, to innocent children in Public Schools.

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Blather... What you're not addressing, is the Evidence.

Aman777 said:

How do you know who is and who is not a Christian?

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As a rule I take their word for it. If they believe that Jesus Christ is the Word incarnate and in their salvation through His real, historical death and resurrection that is generally enough for me, especially if they witness for it in the way they lead their lives.

How do you know who is and who is not a Christian?

Aman777 said:

False, since what Adam passed to his descendants was the supreme intelligence of God. ONLY God and Adam/Humankind have this superior intelligence. Gen 3:22 Creatures (prehistoric man) who descended from WATER, do NOT have this ability.

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Firstly it doesn't say anything about human kind inheriting God's intelligence. It says "Then the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” Knowing good and evil is a long ways from inheriting the intelligence of God. Scriptures teach that "sin and death" was what Adam passed on. And I already gave you the passages that tell us this.

Secondly the scriptures do not talk about any other "sub" human (prehistoric man) or "water people." God created one race of man and gave them "intelligence" and dominion over all the rest of creation. Death did not exist in the universe until Adam sinned. "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Rom. 5:12) "For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead." (1Cor. 15:21)

This death is not just the death that effected humanity. It was a spiritual death that happened that day to mankind, and also a physical death that effected all of creation. "Then to Adam He said, Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field." (Gen. 3:17-18) "For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." (Rom. 8:19-22)

Jimmy D said:

Where did he claim that?



Your 'insight' is very revealing.

What is your explanation for this group of fossils?

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First of all read the posts and look at the pictures. That's what they show. I may be getting mixed up on who said what exactly but the thought is the same.

The explanation is these fossils are not evidence since they cannot be shown to be actually evolving. They are scattered throughout the planet and suddenly appearing as complete creatures.

It is assumed they evolved from one to another. This is still not evidence that all life came from a common ancestor even if the horse thing was accurate. And that's a mighty big if.

doubtingmerle said:

Rjs330, the purpose of conversation is to understand each other. You don't need to agree with me. That is fine. But I would like you to understand me. If you do not understand me, then I am wasting my time writing to you.

In the post to which you responded I stated three times that I do not claim that fossils in an unrelated line of evolution prove that men came from apes. I stated three times that there is other evidence for men coming from apes. I think I have made my view clear. And yet you write back in response saying that I am saying the exact opposite of what I said to you three times in that post.

Are you interested in understanding people here? If not, then why should anybody respond to you?

If you wish to understand me, then please go back and read again the post you responded to, which says the opposite of what you claim I said.

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Ok thanks for the clarification. It is an understanding on my part from conversing with other evolutionists that the horse idea is used to support evolution from a common ancestor. When I say evolution of all life from a common ancestor cannot be shown, people will bring up the horse evolution. The question is why if they are not attempting to show evidence that we all came from a common ancestor? My apologies that I misunderstood your intent.

tas8831 said:

So the obvious implications in those studies are lost on you.

Got it.

Can you at least muster the integrity to retract your slur about the outcomes of these analyses being based on "assumptions"? Because they are not - they are based on observable phenomena.

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It's not the outcomes that are assumptions. It's the interpretation thats the assumption. For example you may be able to show how ERVs insert themselves. The assumption is that because if that it is evidence that we evolved from the same ancestor as the spider. That is what I am saying. All that can be shown is how the ERVs insert themselves. It doesn't mean evolution is true. That is the assumption. It means that we have a common design.

Speedwell said:

Yes, it's a global satanic conspiracy of atheistic scientists to keep an eccentric Protestant minority from force-teaching their sectarian doctrine to innocent children in the public schools. The amazing thing is, most other Christians are going along with it.

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You repeat a lie long enough and with enough authority people do start to believe it. Children are the ones who are the young sponges who take whatever teacher says is true. They get that education from gradeschool on. So of course they will believe the lie.

rjs330 said:

You repeat a lie long enough and with enough authority people do start to believe it. Children are the ones who are the young sponges who take whatever teacher says is true. They get that education from gradeschool on. So of course they will believe the lie.

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Which is exactly why I don't want right-wing fundamentalist Protestants running the school curriculum.

Astrophile said:

So if A Midsummer Night's Dream is fiction, then King Richard II, King Henry IV Part I and King Henry VIII never existed. Alternatively, if Romulus and Remus never existed, then the whole of Roman history is false. Also, your third sentence is illogical. The Bible could be partly true and partly false, and then you would have to argue that it was both all true and all false, which is impossible.

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We aren't talking about a work that is known artistic fiction. We are talking about a book that claims to be inspired from Genesis to Revelation by the God of the universe. (2 Timothy 3:16) An all knowing God would understand everything about science because He created everything. We can look at the Mormon founder Joseph Smith for example and know that he was a false prophet. This is because he said that God told him that the sun and moon were both inhabited with human life just as on earth. A known scientific impossibility. An all knowing infinite God has existed since the beginning and would not confuse known historical events as we see in the Muslim Koran where the Pharaoh of Egypt threatened to crucify Moses. Crucifixion is known historically and archaeologically to have not been invented until 7 centuries after the time of Moses. An all knowing God would not make inconsistent statements as we find in the Koran. In one passage it tells us that Allah created the heavens and earth in six days and in another he did it in eight days. Likewise an all knowing God knows the future and His prophets would never predict a future event that didn't happen. Something that both Joseph Smith and also the writers of the Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower magazine did many times. This is what I call the SHIP test. If a religion, religious writing, or so called prophet fails any one of these 4 tests then it is evidence that they were NOT divinely inspired. The Bible claims to be divinely inspired...ALL OF IT. Therefore if any part of it fails it all fails. You don't get to pick and choose what you like from it. You accept all of it or reject all of it. God doesn't have a smorgasbord buffet going on here. My contention is that the Bible is the only religious writing on earth that passes the SHIP test. ALL OF IT.

Astrophile said:

More seriously, what do you mean when you say that we should toss the entire thing out because the scientifically falsity of Genesis renders the whole Bible invalid? Does the fact that Genesis is false prove that Jesus and St Paul never existed, or that murder, adultery and lying are good things?

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IF Genesis were ever to be shown to be false the entire gospel story falls like a house of cards because it is built upon the Genesis account of creation, sin and death entering the world, and a savior coming to redeem us. If Genesis is false then that would mean Jesus was a liar because He said if we don't believe Moses, how can we believe Him? He referred to the creation account of Moses as though it were historical. Jesus claimed to be God manifest in the flesh which means He should know how life began if anyone does. The good news is we can trust the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and see the divine inspiration found in all of its pages.

Aman777 said:

False. That's the godless scientific view which is only a half-truth. Literally, descent with modifications within kinds, which show up genetically in populations over time, is HOW God made us. Godless men, attempting to eliminate God from His own Creation changed descent with modifications into the godless term evolution. Then they entered the Religion of Evolism by force teaching their idiotic view that Humans evolved from Apes, to innocent children in Public Schools.

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I hope that you understand (I doubt it) that there are scientists who believe in G-d. You see (no you don't) science does not touch on the whether or not G-d exists. Even evolution does not deny the existence of G-d.

Evolution is taught in school science because it is a valid scientific theory. What you propose is to eliminate science and teach our children information based on your particular religious beliefs with which my religion disagrees.

pitabread said:

Are you already ignoring the other examples I posted?

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as i said: those are the minority rather then the majority. its also logical to conclude that if a sequence is conserve among many creatures- then it has an important rule. otherwise it need to show more variations like other proteins. thus the conservation.

tas8831 said:

And they all shared being made of aluminum, etc.

What does that have to do with common ancestry?




Ferdinand Porshe designed both the VW Beetle and the turret for the Tiger tank.

But they have nothing in common.

Again, what do cars and planes have to do with living things?

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we were actually talking about conservation. but if those vehicles were able to reproduce (and even made from organic components) , you will conclude that they just evolved?

Aman777 said:

False. That's the godless scientific view which is only a half-truth. Literally, descent with modifications within kinds, which show up genetically in populations over time, is HOW God made us. Godless men, attempting to eliminate God from His own Creation changed descent with modifications into the godless term evolution. Then they entered the Religion of Evolism by force teaching their idiotic view that Humans evolved from Apes, to innocent children in Public Schools.

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As evolution, nor any science, does not deny the existence of G-d, how is it godless? In fact, science is encouraged by my religion as the proper way to learn about His universe (see my signature below). Of course, we also we know that the Bible is neither a history nor a science book, but a book of His moral and ethical teachings.