First I want you to prove to me that Messiah is real.
Than prove to me that Paul is real and not a false prophet.
Than prove to me that Paul is real and not a false prophet.
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Prove Messiah real
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What manner of proof are you looking for? Scripture? Or are we to prove that the scripture is believable?
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Prove to mean by whatever means possible that Messiah is real and that he is the Messiah and that Paul is real and that he is a prophet of the Lord and not false.
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Since you are Christian, then what is written should be proof enough.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Mt 1:1
The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham: [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Joh 1:41
He *found first his own brother Simon and *said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ).
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]2Pe 3:15
and regard the patience of our Lord {as} salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, [/FONT][/FONT]
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The NT says he's real, but that doesnt mean he ever existed or that the NT is a true document, how do I know it wasnt written by some guy starting a new cult?
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What do you mean by "true"? Historically accurate?
The only "proof" of historicity is the corroboration of other documents, and the internal consistency of the document in question. Are these the questions you wish to ask?
What do you mean by "know"? Absolute mathematical certainty? Reasonable doubt?
If you wish to engage in ancient conspiracy theories, you are playing with possibilities that are even less likely than the ones you question.
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Do you mean the corroboration with the OT, according to the Christian church they contradict each other.
Truth as in the all encompassing one truth, also historically accurate.
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I asked you:"What manner of proof are you looking for? Scripture? Or are we to prove that the scripture is believable?"
You then replied to that: " Prove to mean by whatever means possible that Messiah is real and that he is the Messiah and that Paul is real and that he is a prophet of the Lord and not false."
Since you clearly said that the Bible was okay to use, I gave you the proof.
If you do not believe what the Bible says and you are not Christian then admit that first and change your icon.
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1. the Resurrection it is attested by many early sources
2. Historic reliability of the NT books.
3. The rise of the Christian faith
These are rather solid "proofs"
As to Paul, he is written about and we have found several personal letters he has written.
2. Historic reliability of the NT books.
3. The rise of the Christian faith
These are rather solid "proofs"
As to Paul, he is written about and we have found several personal letters he has written.
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The resurrection is said to be witnessed by 500+ people, but there are not records of it besides the NT, what is the NT books are fake? how can you prove that they are real? The rise of the Christian faith is proof? Christians celebrate christmas, easter all of which arnt in the bible and were found to be added by Constantine, they believe in the trinity which also isnt in the bible and wasnt added till around 250 AD. 7th day sabbath was changed to 1st day sabbath by constantine who was a mithras priest.
So, the christian faith isnt very good proof.
A guy named Paul wrote some letter to other people to people like the Galatians, the Philippians, but that doesnt mean their real or that their actually written by Paul.
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In so far as ancient history can be evidenced at all, the resurrection can; try reading Resurrection of the Son of God by N.T. Wright.
Of course, one can't actually prove anything in history, or even that the world wasn't created last Thursday.
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Ebia - arnt there prophecies to prove the truth
ittarter - the christian church teach's the opposite of the bible like what I said in post 12
wayseer - I dont think anyone here will be able to prove to me that Paul is not a false profit.
ittarter - the christian church teach's the opposite of the bible like what I said in post 12
wayseer - I dont think anyone here will be able to prove to me that Paul is not a false profit.
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prophecies of the Messiah fulfilled in Jesus Christ
prophecy: Genesis 3:15
subject: seed of woman
prophecy fulfilled: Galatians 4;4
prophecy: Genesis 12:3
subject: seed of Abraham
fulfilled: Matthew 1:1
prophecy: Geneis 17:19
subject: seed of Isaac
fulfilled: Luke 3:34
prophecy: Numbers 24:17
subject: seed of Jacob
fulfilled: Matthew 1:2
prophecy: Genesis 49:10
subject: from the tribe of Judah
fulfilled: Luke 3:33
prophecy: Isaiah 9:7
subject: heir to the throne of David
fulfilled: Luke 1:32,33
prophecy: Micah 5:2
subject: born in Bethlehem
fulfilled: Luke 2:4,5,7 ...
etc.
Is this what you had in mind for the Messiah question? My list tallies 37.
prophecy: Genesis 3:15
subject: seed of woman
prophecy fulfilled: Galatians 4;4
prophecy: Genesis 12:3
subject: seed of Abraham
fulfilled: Matthew 1:1
prophecy: Geneis 17:19
subject: seed of Isaac
fulfilled: Luke 3:34
prophecy: Numbers 24:17
subject: seed of Jacob
fulfilled: Matthew 1:2
prophecy: Genesis 49:10
subject: from the tribe of Judah
fulfilled: Luke 3:33
prophecy: Isaiah 9:7
subject: heir to the throne of David
fulfilled: Luke 1:32,33
prophecy: Micah 5:2
subject: born in Bethlehem
fulfilled: Luke 2:4,5,7 ...
etc.
Is this what you had in mind for the Messiah question? My list tallies 37.
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