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so...gee...it does say that after all.
maybe the ones your ignoring
So either you have poor reading comprehension or you are just dishonest .which is it?
I found the first two it only took a couple minutes to fine them I havent gone hunting for the third Cant imagine it would be any problem to find Not sure what your problem is
The first study by Jenny, Roesler and Poyer was an interesting read well interesting for a scientific paper and hey!!!!...its less than 30 years old and that is important because ya know...anything more than 30 years old is obviously wrong.
Thing is the articles listed do back up the original claim that child molesters are pretty much straight men .(not exactly news to anyone) again not sure what your problem is or why you dont like this fact
I guess that is why its not an orientation cause these men already have an orientation I mean how can you have two orientations?
So instead of just attacking why not present countering evidence?...shouting at people who try to show the earth is round doesnt prove the earth is flat (cant use the pictures of the Earth taken by astronauts on the moon cause those are over 30 years old .Why dont you show us some proof that homosexuality is a choice or is that asking too much?
So how have you decided that pedophilia is not an orientation? How have you ruled out that it might be possible that they don't have a heterosexual orientation but rather a pedophilia orientation. After all there was in the past (not talking about this thread) discussion over if being bi-sexual was an orientation or if they were just confused or unsure. So if it is possible that bi-sexuals orientation is toward two different groups of people it is just logical that a pedophila orientation (if there is one) could be towards two different groups (or more groups).I guess that is why its not an orientation cause these men already have an orientation I mean how can you have two orientations?
So instead of just attacking why not present countering evidence?...shouting at people who try to show the earth is round doesnt prove the earth is flat (cant use the pictures of the Earth taken by astronauts on the moon cause those are over 30 years old .Why dont you show us some proof that homosexuality is a choice or is that asking too much?
My personal view is that it is not clear and that it doesn't make much of a difference. The exception would be that for people like jph it is a sin as the bible tells us that if you believe something to be a sin then for that person it is. Or in other words if you believe something is wrong then don't do it.It rather shows that people trying to claim that homosexuality is an abomination are wrong in that claim.
Actually I'm asking you why you are saying cantata is telling lies about how her sexual orientation came to be. So come on say it clearly. is cantata talking a load of rubbish and telling lies or is it possible that for some people it is definitely a choice?You seem to be trying to claim that actual legitimate evidence that sexual orientation is a choice exists but for some strange reason you just cant be bothered to provide that evidence .hmmmmm I wonder why .
you have your opinion and i have mineNo it was pretty clear what was said just providing an opportunity to back down form that hogwash
i don't recall a specific mention of leviticus only. I have seen passages from the old and new testament posted. However this response still shows you don't understand how to read the bible.Yet here people are cherry picking form Leviticus to try to justify their own petty personal prejudices while at the same time ignoring huge chunks of that same book
i don't have time to spend days upon days of finding out names of studies then endless weeks tracking down where I can get a copy to read and read them all.Then go get started reading
Hang on a second ago you wanted me to read a thousand studies now you are happy with only two. I'm confusedIs not that difficult. A Christian here posts an obvious lie about homosexuality read a couple articles to confront that lie that Christian ignores evidence and continues to lie same thing works when James Dobson makes some claim
I have read every single post in this thread even when I came on and noticed there were six new pages since my last post. but hey if you can point it out then I'll apologiseMaybe you were to busy to notice all the other times
and what personal prejudice is that? Can you provide evidence that I have that particular prejudice you are talking about? (I'll save you the effort the answer is no if you can't). If a person holds no view on a position and they don't care about it they can hardly be accused of having a prejudice against it. I have changed my views on a number of topics over the years. one example is that I used to believe homosexuality was a sin. I no longer hold that view. So how about providing some links for me to look at.I notice you didnt answer the question (Im not surprised) so once again .just how much evidence would you require?
From your statements here I would guess that there could never be enough evidence and you would reject out of hand any facts that dont support yoru personal prejudice.
You know, Im getting so tired of these threads. They are so unconductive to people who are searching the christian faith. I personally ask treverocity to kindly stop posting his proproganda and these types of OPs that simply bait and flame. Because there will always be someone who will actually believe treverocitys proproganda and it will hurt other people in the long run. This forum should be about learning Christian Ethics and morality not proproganda against Christian morality. GLBT proproganda needs to be banned from this site. I really hope the moderators get a better grip on this. This is a christian forum, not a GLBT forum. Keep it in context within the bounds of what the forum is designed for.
You know, Im getting so tired of these threads. They are so unconductive to people who are searching the christian faith.
. I personally ask treverocity to kindly stop posting his proproganda and these types of OPs that simply bait and flame.
Hmm..one might consider saying that simply agreeing with some one will "hurt other people in the long run." as....oh what is the word I am looking for....flaming.Because there will always be someone who will actually believe treverocitys proproganda and it will hurt other people in the long run.
*checks the sub forum name* it says Ethics and Morality, not Christian Ethics or Morality. So that makes what you think "should" be, is immaterial I'm afraid. Nor do I see a reason to call your own flaming of another person substantiative let along something as ban worthy.This forum should be about learning Christian Ethics and morality not proproganda against Christian morality. GLBT proproganda needs to be banned from this site
Keep it in context within the bounds of what the forum is designed for. So many atheists and extreme leftists have taken over this part of the forum and its to the point where barely any christian voice can be heard anymore,, this is unfair to the people coming to this forum who want to learn about christian morality and ethics and get bombarded by GLBT and atheist proproganda. Its becoming too one sided that someone needs to level it out.
I'm simply responding to the original 2 references because they don't say anything like what wlf claims, at least according to the abstracts. I responded to the next 3 because I was wondering if presenting poor evidence was a pattern, not because I want to argue pedophilia.
So how have you decided that pedophilia is not an orientation? How have you ruled out that it might be possible that they don't have a heterosexual orientation but rather a pedophilia orientation. After all there was in the past (not talking about this thread) discussion over if being bi-sexual was an orientation or if they were just confused or unsure. So if it is possible that bi-sexuals orientation is toward two different groups of people it is just logical that a pedophila orientation (if there is one) could be towards two different groups (or more groups).
To me, your post, especially the part about moderators needing to make this area only Christian propaganda, reminds me of the little boy who keeps losing in a game against the other neighborhood kids, so he takes his ball and goes home since he can't compete.
I would agree if there was some sort of objective consensus that this forum's only function was to facilitate people who are "searching the Christian faith."
.I don't consider telling people to put their money where their mouths are and see if people simply use the same old cut and paste replies on this subject or actually add something new propaganda or bait and flaming
Hmm..one might consider saying that simply agreeing with some one will "hurt other people in the long run." as....oh what is the word I am looking for....flaming.
*checks the sub forum name* it says Ethics and Morality, not Christian Ethics or Morality. So that makes what you think "should" be, is immaterial I'm afraid. Nor do I see a reason to call your own flaming of another person substantiative let along something as ban worthy.
Cry me a river. I would have thought faith in the supposedly almightly, omniscient creator of the Universe would instill one with thicker skin. I mean what do all those as you put it, atheists and extreme leftists, have for thick skin and the capacity to stick to their guns as the terms go?
My advice. Either stick on topic, or examine maybe what's wrong with you before you go off on some conspiracy theory about this website.
And as a note. I've BEEN to websites that purport themselves as even Christian based websites that discuss a variety of topics under the guise of being ultimately fair with room for Christian and non Christian interaction and a variety of topics. This is one of the few ones that actually tries to keep it even. Most of them just claim to be so idiots with computers can ban non-Christians and exercise their ability for electronic masturbation
The visual metaphor that always comes to mind for me, is a christian kid playing in a sandbox. And all around him are all these other kids with their names on their shirts. They say stuff like "atheism". "Buddhism." and all the other philosophies and religions of the world. And the christian kid is throwing a fit and saying the sandbox is "Mine mine mine!!!"
Hence subjects that are directed towards christian faith. Not anti-christian proproganda.
I find it saddening that someone has to "prove" themselves over someone else. That stems from Pride and insecurity. I don't need to prove to anyone. Ruins the whole meaning of what faith is.
No, Im saying that proproganda is harmful to people who are interesting in learning about the christian faith and then get sidetracked by OPs like this. Its against the purpose of this forum, which is to proclaim the Gospel.
And a few catagorys up it says Christian Forums. Hence posts direct toward a christian theme. This OP is ban worthy because it is counterproductive towards the people who want to learn about christianity and is essentially anti-christian proproganda.
The only thing I see from most of the unorthodox here is insecurity, hatred, confusion, flaming, baiting, propaganda, and general stupidity.
Even? Ethics and morality is about as un-even as they come. This part of the forum is being taken over. Almost every thread is about something that is anti-christian or against christian moral and belief. And then when a christian trys to stand up for his beliefs he gets flooded with a buncha unothodox proproganda. Like I said, it is not leveled and even and the mods need to level it out.
Like I said, it is not leveled and even and the mods need to level it out. A christian shouldn't have to visit this part of the forum having GLBT, atheism, and liberalist proproganda shoved down his throat. If you honestly need to have OPs like this then its obvious someone needs validation and is insecure about what they believe. But when it gets to a point where there are 90% posts on GLBT and liberal proproganda, and 10% on actual christian morals and ethics then we have a problem and the mods need to level it out or at least moderate these types of thread better that are so unconductive to orthodox christianity. All im asking is for people like Trevorocity to stop posting so much proproganda and baiting threads. Is it so hard to keep things within a christian context without calling other people liars and saying that christians are "Lying for christ" while at the same time you support something the bible considers a mortal sin? Please, stop the hypocrisy and tone it down. You cannot claim other people are lying when you yourself are supporting lies and proproganda. Get a grip
Since when is this a middle ground sandbox? This is a christian sandbox. Its created by christians so it is technically theirs.
Ethics & Morality A forum for the discussion and debate of ethics & morality open to all members.
You know, Im getting so tired of these threads. They are so unconductive to people who are searching the christian faith. I personally ask treverocity to kindly stop posting his proproganda and these types of OPs that simply bait and flame. Because there will always be someone who will actually believe treverocitys proproganda and it will hurt other people in the long run. This forum should be about learning Christian Ethics and morality not proproganda against Christian morality. GLBT proproganda needs to be banned from this site. I really hope the moderators get a better grip on this. This is a christian forum, not a GLBT forum. Keep it in context within the bounds of what the forum is designed for. So many atheists and extreme leftists have taken over this part of the forum and its to the point where barely any christian voice can be heard anymore,, this is unfair to the people coming to this forum who want to learn about christian morality and ethics and get bombarded by GLBT and atheist proproganda. Its becoming too one sided that someone needs to level it out.
And if it needs to be put any more plainly to you. This is directly from the website.
Posts like this is an example why I created my usertitle.
The op is a challenge to those who claim orientation is a choice. So, instead of complaing about the op, Christian ethics demands an honest response.
Christian ethics is about respect, intellectual honesty, love, and an uncompromising committment to following Christ's instructions on what is the Greatest commandments. When was the last time you got upset over a post that compared gays to pedophiles or bestiality? Christian integrity means taking an ethical stand against defamation. One doesn't need to agree with homosexuality to see gays being compared to child rapists is way way out of bounds.
Why claim it's too one-sided? Because the numbers of agreement/disagreement? I've seen people claim E+M is a homo-love fest or something similar, and that is why they don't post here. That's an immature cop out. Some don't post because they can't defend their positions so instead of putting their weak positions on display they hide behind even weaker excuses.
I submit that before anymore of these rants occur, there should be a closer examination of Christian ethics. This Christian doesn't want to see people silenced because of disagreement, and iam betting neither does Christ.
Jesus never opposed honest dialogue.
Posting GLBT proprpganda is not conductive to learning about Christ. In fact it has nothing to do about it. This isn't Advocate Mazagine or GLBT forums. These OPs are unconductive to people who want to learn about Jesus Christ and Christianity.
There are lots of people here who make a fabulous witness to Christ who are also glbt. Not to mention the mighty legion of wonderful straight people who make the same witness while upholding the dignity of all human beings, regardless of sexual orientation. (thanks to you all!)
So this statement of yours does not stand up to basic scrutiny.
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Its not conductive to orthodox christian principals. This forum goes after the Nicene Creed, which is orthodoxy. Justification of sin is not conductive to people who want to learn about the Gospel. The dignity of human beings is very important, but if it comes at the expense of justifying sin, then you really aren't concerned about the real dignity of people. Sin hurts the dignity of people and takes away their freedom, as Christ has explicitly told us. Telling someone that something is sinful does not remove a persons dignity, and if the person actually turns away from sin, his dignity is exalted not reduced.
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