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Because, these women don't go topless, even when it's legal. Nor do they try to make toplessness more acceptable. Their actions prove their belief.The real question is why you assume 99.9999% of believers in history take your viewpoint.
Because, these women don't go topless, even when it's legal. Nor do they try to make toplessness more acceptable. Their actions prove their belief.
This is the kind of reply that goads me. If you can't understand my plain meaning, then you don't deserve future discussion.Which women don't? I can give you a reference that shows a sufficient supply of women that do (not porn).
This is the kind of reply that goads me. If you can't understand my plain meaning, then you don't deserve future discussion.
There is a flaw in your premise!I believe that Scripture cannot be used to defend the West's viewpoint that it's sinful for women to be publicly topless.
I want to challenge my viewpoint, and the quality of my arguments.
Prove me wrong, using scripture or rationality that's based on Christian principles in order to do so.
The burden of proof lies with the one asserting a positive, therefore you get to argue first.
How do you conflate grossness with immorality?
Also, quoting myself again:
A) Breasts are different from men’s chests
A common argument is that women’s breasts are different from men’s chests, and that’s why it’s wrong to expose them. However, men’s chests are just as different from women’s chests, as women’s are from men’s. The difference is exactly equal, in both directions: male to female, female to male. It’s indefensible to use men’s bodies as the “acceptable” standard by which we determine any deviation. If we did that, we could say that men’s genitals can be exposed, because … they’re not different from male genitals.
B) Breasts are different from children’s non-sexual bodies
This argument is similar to the last. It uses children as the standard: that is, male and female children have the same chest. After puberty, women grow breasts, and men do not. Thus, it’s a definitively female characteristic, and that’s why it shouldn’t be exposed. However, female breasts are secondary sex characteristics – not primary. Beards are a secondary sex characteristic of men, not primary. If we outlaw breast exposure for this reason, then we should also outlaw beard exposure. Alternatively, we could seek equality by requiring men to either shave, or to wear a beard bra.
C) Celebration
Many young men are excited about reaching puberty and growing a beard. They might be fooled by an old wives tale that shaving your beard makes it grow faster or thicker, so they shave in hope of appearing more mature when it grows back. Once their beard is grown, they may groom it, use good hygiene, and even decorate it. These men are proud of their beards; they’re characteristic of masculinity and adulthood, which are celebratory.
Women are not afforded the same opportunity with their breasts, at least not in the U.S. Although many women show deep cleavage, behaving similarly to the same way that many men do with their beards, they’re stigmatized for violating a taboo. And if they go further and expose areola, they face criminal charges.
This isn’t the case in all cultures. In Zambia, a “breast dance” is practiced (Turner, 1987; Taylor, 2006; both as cited in Bosteen, 2019). And in Nigeria, the Iria Ritual is a coming of age custom for females, in which they bare their breasts (Crespo, Duque, & Zuhlsdorf, 2013; MomoAfrica, n.d.; both as cited in LangLangC, 2019).
In the U.S., we’re teaching men that they should celebrate their adult bodies, and we’re teaching women that they should be ashamed of theirs.
My girlfriend and I have visited topless beaches in the Caribbean and Europe. She has gone topless every time we have done this, not because she wants to show off but because she likes avoiding tan lines. Why don’t more women go topless? One reason is that it is still illegal in many parts of the US, and even where it is legal women sometimes face arrest. I live in West Virginia where it is perfectly legal for women to go topless, yet a woman who did so was cited by a park ranger a couple years back because he just didn’t like her doing it (what a jerk that guy was). She appealed and won, but that was time taken up in court when I’m sure that she could have been doing better things.Because, these women don't go topless, even when it's legal. Nor do they try to make toplessness more acceptable. Their actions prove their belief.
So, now how about answering my question on why the vast majority is wrong. What are your assumptions?
it's acceptable to also desire beauty:
Genesis 29:31 says Leah was "unloved". And because of this the LORD did not allow Rachel to have children.Gen 29:17 Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured.
Your testimony is irrelevant to both my post and the OP. "Most women" even 99.99% does not imply "all women".My girlfriend and I have visited topless beaches in the Caribbean and Europe. She has gone topless every time we have done this, not because she wants to show off but because she likes avoiding tan lines. Why don’t more women go topless? Well, it is still illegal in many parts of the US, and even where it is legal women sometimes face arrest. I live in West Virginia where it is perfectly legal for women to go topless, yet a woman who did so was cited by a park ranger a couple years back because he just didn’t like her doing it (what a jerk that guy was). She appealed and won, but that was time taken up in court when I’m sure that she could have been doing better things.
This is what people do when they cannot address what was said in a post—they just falsely claim that it is irrelevant. What I wrote is perfectly relevant to both your post and the OP. Of course I noticed that you couldn’t bother responding to the reasoning I offered. What I offered is not the only reason, but fear of arrest is certainly a reason why more women don’t go topless.Your testimony is irrelevant to both my post and the OP. "Most women" even 99.99% does not imply "all women".
But there have been studies showing that women are sexually attracted to a well-proportioned male chest.eventually people realized that a man's pectorals are not sex organs while a woman's mammories are.
as far as those same mammories being used to feed infants, God gave them a dual purpose.
proverbs 5:18-19
But there have been studies showing that women are sexually attracted to a well-proportioned male chest.
there's been studies that women are sexually attracted to animals. the LORD wouldn't have made a law against such a thing if it didn't happen. there are men who are sexually attracted to a woman's ears, but those aren't sex organs, though they can be seen as an attractive feature of a woman.
a man's only sex organ is his genitals.
About what point I am trying to make >
Genesis 29:31 says Leah was "unloved". And because of this the LORD did not allow Rachel to have children.
So, my point is, included, why did Jacob love his Rachel but not his wife Leah?
Possibly, it was because Rachel was so beautiful and Leah wasn't. Even if it is ok to enjoy her beauty, it would be wrong to discriminate by loving only the beautiful wife, I can see. In any case, the LORD did not approve of Jacob's reason for loving only Rachel!!!
So, what do you think?
eventually people realized that a man's pectorals are not sex organs while a woman's mammories are.
as far as those same mammories being used to feed infants, God gave them a dual purpose.
proverbs 5:18-19
Where are these huge numbers of women who are sexually attracted to animals?
You are ignoring the fact that many women are sexually attracted to the male chest
Breasts are not sex organs,
there's been studies that women are sexually attracted to animals. the LORD wouldn't have made a law against such a thing if it didn't happen. there are men who are sexually attracted to a woman's ears, but those aren't sex organs, though they can be seen as an attractive feature of a woman.
a man's only sex organ is his genitals.
that would be how scripture describes mammories(proverbs 5:18-19, Ezekiel 23:19-21) , though "sex organ" may be the wrong word. instruments for sexual pleasure would be a better description(along with feeding babies). the point to the thread is whether or not its sin for women to be topless in public.
But there have been studies showing that women are sexually attracted to a well-proportioned male chest.
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