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I'm what most would consider a hard nosed Christian and this is my first post in here. I just registered because of all the people here who have stated that they have changed because of studies or sciences in evolution. Instead of asking why or trying to save anyone, I have decided to openly hear anyones statements and biblically disprove any of them. I'm here to quote the bible and defend God, not get into a link post debate that involves other Christian sites. If you wish to try and prove your points and why you believe in evolution then please do so. However I have a few ground rules to lay down.

1. I will only use the bible and NO links to other sites.
2. Use your brain. Give examples/theories of your own.
3. Links to other sites with your evidence may be ignored. See Rule 2.

Now that I have that out of the way I'd like to start by asking the most asked Christian question. Why do you believe that we evolved? Wheres your evidence?
 

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Why would one enter a boxing ring with both hands tied behind your back and your feet shackled together? :confused:

And none of us "believe" we evolved. The evidence, which can be found copiously phylogenetically and genetically amongst living species and in the fossil record of extinct species, points to the obvious conclusion that life on earth has evolved over time from common ancestors.

Let me ask you a question, if you think humans are so different from our fellow apes take a look at the attached photo that starts with a chimpanzee skull and ends with a modern human skull and tell me where you'd draw the line between ape and man and why.
 
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Napoleon said:
I'm what most would consider a hard nosed Christian and this is my first post in here. I just registered because of all the people here who have stated that they have changed because of studies or sciences in evolution. Instead of asking why or trying to save anyone, I have decided to openly hear anyones statements and biblically disprove any of them. I'm here to quote the bible and defend God, not get into a link post debate that involves other Christian sites. If you wish to try and prove your points and why you believe in evolution then please do so. However I have a few ground rules to lay down.

1. I will only use the bible and NO links to other sites.
2. Use your brain. Give examples/theories of your own.
3. Links to other sites with your evidence may be ignored. See Rule 2.

Now that I have that out of the way I'd like to start by asking the most asked Christian question. Why do you believe that we evolved? Wheres your evidence?

With your explicit admission that the only "evidence" you'll consider is the Bible, I figure most folks on here (myself included) regard your "challenge" as an exercise in futility. If and when you want to consider emperical data, i'll be willing to help you out.

-GFA
 
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You understand that evolution does not equal atheism? There are many Christians who also accept evolution.

As to why I accept the theory of evolution is that it is the current best explanation for the things we see around us.

As to why I accept that evolution occurs is that it has been observed.

You see, evolution is both fact and theory. Evolution occurs: species change into other species over time. That has been observed. The theory of evolution is the best current explanation for how/why that occurs.
 
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Napoleon said:
I'm what most would consider a hard nosed Christian and this is my first post in here. I just registered because of all the people here who have stated that they have changed because of studies or sciences in evolution. Instead of asking why or trying to save anyone, I have decided to openly hear anyones statements and biblically disprove any of them. I'm here to quote the bible and defend God, not get into a link post debate that involves other Christian sites. If you wish to try and prove your points and why you believe in evolution then please do so. However I have a few ground rules to lay down.
This is a completely useless exercise. You want to argue evolution using the bible. Evolution is a scientific theory; the bible is a religious text. Arguing the two is like arguing about what's in a cookbook using the Bhagavad Gita. Evolution is science; the ONLY thing which can be used legitimately to argue against it is science. If in your opinion your religious beliefs state or imply that evolution did not or cannot happen, then that is your tough luck. It happened.

Surely you can see that "my religious text says it can't happen" is not a valid argument against a scientific finding?

You claim that you are "here to quote the bible and defend God". Why do you think discussing evolution (and, presumably, telling us all that it didn't happen) would be defending God? ALL it would defend would be your particular interpretation of the bible, which states that evolution didn't happen.

And, at the last, you finish with asking where is the evidence that we evolved...which shows a rather dishonest approach. If you want the evidence that we evolved, go to your local library and check out some of the myriad of books on the subject. Don't come in here and ask people to post little snippets of over a hundred years of scientific research so you can attempt to "disprove" them using a particular interpretation of one religious text.
 
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Natro said:
Its funny when christians disobay their God by making the only book he inspired a false idol.
Assuming He inspired it in the first place. Anything that can cause so much idolatry, division, and meaningless petty strife in His name, seems more likely from the Devil than God.
 
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armed2010 :: For someone who watches cartoons and read comics I was expecting a better reply than simply a cartoon comic. ;)

USincognito :: Yes they are similar but where is the proof that we evolved from them? If we evolved from apes they why do apes even exist now? Why don't some of them evolve today? There is too much missing information to "convince" me that we came from apes. I could also come up with a new theory that apes mated with parrots which is why we evolved and can now speak.

First of all I worship God. The bible is simply a book with his words, nothing more.

[Moderator (NYJ) : Edited out comments of condemnation]

To everyone else I said that I would only use the bible. It was more in a reference that I wouldn't use other Christian sites for my arguments. If you feel that you would like to provide evidence/science against the bible then please provide it. But also make sure that it is factual and not fictional. Simply stating that I should go read a book is meaningless since I have stated that I would use the "bible" to disprove any evidence. I have read studies on evolution and find it rather odd that scientist/evolutionist can believe in somthing with so many holes in it. Making remarks of false idols or how that we have had this "conversation before" doesn't prove anything. I have an open mind and I'm willing to look up anything that anyone provides as long as it's not a theory. Anyone who's not willing to do the same but rather make snide remarks should leave this thread since your replies will go unanswered.
 
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Yes they are similar but where is the proof that we evolved from them? If we evolved from apes they why do apes even exist now? Why don't some of them evolve today? There is too much missing information to "convince" me that we came from apes. I could also come up with a new theory that apes mated with parrots which is why we evolved and can now speak.
Because we didn't evolve from apes. We evolved from ape like creatures. The modern apes we have now evolved at the along side us.
They are evolving. Its what happens when they pass on their DNA.
Possibly, but there's even more missing information to convince me that the world was created in a biblicaly literal fashion.
It wouldnt be a theory untill you came up with some supporting evidence. Anyway, I very much doubt apes could succesfully breed with parrots, and have viable young.
 
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LoL you cant be serious, You came from your mother, why does your mother still exist?
You say you came from god, why does god still exist?

1) If you worship god, you should have no problem people bringing in evidence from his creation, after all, this is gods world right?

2) Congrats you just broke a forum rule, possibly sinned and insulted many christians here, include some of the Moderators on this forum, might I suggest refraining from passing judgement on your fellow christians.
 
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Napoleon said:
armed2010 :: For someone who watches cartoons and read comics I was expecting a better reply than simply a cartoon comic. ;)
Do something to deserve one.

USincognito :: Yes they are similar but where is the proof that we evolved from them? If we evolved from apes they why do apes even exist now?
Refuted argumets != fine wine. They do not get any better with age. That you would trot out this dinosaur only shows a complete lack of any relevent knowledge.

Why don't some of them evolve today?
You do realize that evolution is not a "day-by-day" process? Hmmm.... probably not, given your last statement.

Stare at a clock. See if you can notice the hour hand moving. What? you don't see anything? Well then, I guess it doesn't move... :rolleyes:

There is too much missing information to "convince" me that we came from apes. I could also come up with a new theory that apes mated with parrots which is why we evolved and can now speak.
And we would falsify it, just like YEC was falsified. So go ahead, give us your theory.

First of all I worship God. The bible is simply a book with his words, nothing more.
His words as in "He wrote them Himself," or His words as in "This is what what's-his-name said that that guy told us that God told this other fellow..." (Translated five times over, of course)

Secondly if you believe in evolution and still call yourself a Christian then your not truely a Christian because you deny Christ. How can you follow a theory that goes against creation?
First, Nobody's arguing against creation. They're arguing against Creationism. Kindly learn the difference before you embarass yourself further.

Second, since you're new here, you need to know that publicly questioning anyone's Christian beliefs is a violation of forum rules. It's considered flaming. Acquaint yourself with those rules, lest you get banned before you have a chance to learn something here.

To everyone else I said that I would only use the bible. It was more in a reference that I wouldn't use other Christian sites for my arguments. If you feel that you would like to provide evidence/science against the bible then please provide it.
Hey, if choose only to listen to half of what God has revealed, that's your business. But don't expect anyone else to similarly handicap themselves for your benefit. God's second work, the creation itself, could simultaneously complement the Bible and refute an Uberliteral interpretation of it.

But also make sure that it is factual and not fictional. Simply stating that I should go read a book is meaningless since I have stated that I would use the "bible" to disprove any evidence.
Facts, not fiction. Follow your own advice.

I have read studies on evolution and find it rather odd that scientist/evolutionist can believe in somthing with so many holes in it.
From what's you've said in this very post, it doesn't sound like you're read much. And thanks to the ludicrous "rules" you've put into play, you have no intention of reading any further.

Making remarks of false idols or how that we have had this "conversation before" doesn't prove anything. I have an open mind and I'm willing to look up anything that anyone provides as long as it's not a theory.
ALERT! ALERT! IRONY METER OVERLOAD!

Anyone who's not willing to do the same but rather make snide remarks should leave this thread since your replies will go unanswered.
Perhaps I should leave before I get snide. Jumping through your hoops seems a pointless gesture.
 
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Napoleon said:
armed2010 :: For someone who watches cartoons and read comics I was expecting a better reply than simply a cartoon comic. ;)

USincognito :: Yes they are similar but where is the proof that we evolved from them? If we evolved from apes they why do apes even exist now? Why don't some of them evolve today? There is too much missing information to "convince" me that we came from apes. I could also come up with a new theory that apes mated with parrots which is why we evolved and can now speak.

First of all I worship God. The bible is simply a book with his words, nothing more.

Secondly if you believe in evolution and still call yourself a Christian then your not truely a Christian because you deny Christ. How can you follow a theory that goes against creation?

To everyone else I said that I would only use the bible. It was more in a reference that I wouldn't use other Christian sites for my arguments. If you feel that you would like to provide evidence/science against the bible then please provide it. But also make sure that it is factual and not fictional. Simply stating that I should go read a book is meaningless since I have stated that I would use the "bible" to disprove any evidence. I have read studies on evolution and find it rather odd that scientist/evolutionist can believe in somthing with so many holes in it. Making remarks of false idols or how that we have had this "conversation before" doesn't prove anything. I have an open mind and I'm willing to look up anything that anyone provides as long as it's not a theory. Anyone who's not willing to do the same but rather make snide remarks should leave this thread since your replies will go unanswered.
You grow more and more ludicrous. You have demonstrated a complete ignorance of what evolutionary theory is, and you apparently still want to fight science with your particular interpretation of a religious text (possibly because you apparently don't know anything about science). Go for it. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
 
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