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It perfectly describes faith and how people justify their religious beliefs:




Just for the record, give your approval in the formal debates thread and we will get under way. If you want, you could explain why you think the rules are tipped in my favor.


Sure I'll do that!
 
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Look up subjectivism.
It perfectly describes faith and how people justify their religious beliefs:

Wow that's a new one.

"Subjectivism is the philosophical tenet that "our own mental activity is the only unquestionable fact of our experience".[1] In other words, subjectivism is the doctrine that knowledge is merely subjective and that there is no external or objective truth."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivism

How many times have we heard theists say that there isn't any objective evidence for the supernatural? How many times have we heard that they believe in God because of an emotional and personal experience that has no tangible evidence in the external world?
 
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So hey, has OP proved or removed Creationism yet?

Nope. But it was already removed from legit science classrooms a long time ago cause it was proven to not to be a legit science. Irl I don't think any rational Christian entertains creation science any more than they would the earth being flat. Folks on the internet old enough to be my grandpa just get their kicks having peeing contests about it it seems, maybe cause they don't have anything else to do w their time.
 
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"Subjectivism is the philosophical tenet that "our own mental activity is the only unquestionable fact of our experience".[1] In other words, subjectivism is the doctrine that knowledge is merely subjective and that there is no external or objective truth."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivism

How many times have we heard theists say that there isn't any objective evidence for the supernatural? How many times have we heard that they believe in God because of an emotional and personal experience that has no tangible evidence in the external world?


That's honestly the goofiest interpretation of subjectivism that I have ever heard.

And I am not being rude. A philosophical tenet is what we believe. Our ontology. Evidence for our belief is epistemology. The elements that give us reason to believe our ontology.

So subjectivism is the belief that whatever I think up in my head is the truth. The rock solid undisputable truth, because I thought it up. And I really can't trust anything else anyone else thought up.

So you are saying that faith and subjectivism are the same?
 
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That's honestly the goofiest interpretation of subjectivism that I have ever heard.

And I am not being rude. A philosophical tenet is what we believe. Our ontology. Evidence for our belief is epistemology. The elements that give us reason to believe our ontology.

So subjectivism is the belief that whatever I think up in my head is the truth. The rock solid undisputable truth, because I thought it up. And I really can't trust anything else anyone else thought up.

So you are saying that faith and subjectivism are the same?
"Faith is believin' what you know ain't true."










Ha ha ha.
 
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HA!! He'd be crying for mommy in no time ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha... he'd eviscerate your subjective faith claims in seconds flat. Ha ha ha.


*ETA: I've actually heard guys like you call his show numerous times, only to be embarrassed and left with their tale between their legs.


Ha ha ha.
 
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