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I'm not assuming anything of the sort.

But it is an example of a possible transition between a four legged climbing mammal and a flying mammal.

This is evidence that small changes are not impossible from wingless to winged.

People have been posting a great many actual transitional fossils in this thread. Homo erectus, tiktaalik roseae and ambulocetus are some good ones.
 
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Let's hope your kids get a better science education than you did.
 
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Sure, there are "rules" for Bible interpretation: you make them up as you go along. "Heads, I win; tails, you lose."
 
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With respect, i don't agree that those fossils are evidence of any transition at all. Its more likely that its just speculation. Science must speculate in the beginning. Thats the first step in discovery. However, speculation is often left unproven in the end, and we are still left with more questions than answers.
 
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Sorry, but the constitution protects us from that tyranny. You don't even understand what the theory of evolution is. Sadly you like so many creationists call science that you do not like "evolutionism" or some other such nonsense. Like it or not the theory of evolution is fact based. Creationism is based upon mythology. That is why your side lost those ten court cases you listed. There is no reliable evidence for creationism. There is reliable evidence that supports the theory of evolution and other sciences that you do not like.

You should at the very least try to understand the simple concept of scientific evidence. Then you might begin to learn why creationism is pure nonsense.
 
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You Are right it is nonsense that a dog could grow wings. It is also nonsense that a dinosaur could.

Also why do you want me to talk about dog breeding it is off topic. We all know how dogs breed.. They have sex and pass on Thiet traits.


Answer the question.

Is the ancestral dog from which chiuwawa's, great danes, pitbulls,... decend a "full breed" in its own right, or is it a "half-chiuwawa, half-great dane, half-pitbull,..."?
 
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No one is forcing anything. We live in a democracy where we have majority rule.

Science is not a democratic undertaking.
Science is ruled by evidence, not by majority vote. And most certainly not by court ruling.
 
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Sorry, there are no "rules for Bible interpretation". A certain religion may have their own rules but there is no one overarching set of rules. That is one of the reasons that there are over 40,000 different sects of your religion.
 
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Not impossible -- it just requires effort.

You can put in effort, can't you?
 
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So what if a dog suddenly needed wings how woul it get them.

If a dog would "suddenly need wings" in order to survive, then the dog will die and the species would go extinct.

Learn the theory you wish to argue against to avoid making such ridiculous statements please.
 
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Look I know what you are saying ...

Do you really? Your posts suggest the exact opposite.


The argument from complexity is an argument from ignorance.
Just because you can't comprehend it, doesn't mean its false.
 
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Ok ... I am crying here you have broken my heart ... Sob ... Ok smarty pants you explain in a few paragraphs how a dog would grow wings. No science jargon give me you best educated story.

There are no selective pressures at work whatsoever that would favor wing formation in dogs.

Your question is senseless.
 
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Why would we assume that this squirrel is evolving into a flying creature? Perhaps its only evolving into a gliding creature, which is what it is after all.

It's even wrong to say that it is "on the path to anything".

A squirrel is a squirrel is a squirrel.
Selection pressures are what they are at this time.

Future habitat/diet/competition changes might or might not push it further up or further down the tree. It might or might not have a need to easily jump/glide from tree to tree. While we can speculate on how selection pressures will develop in the future for this creature given its current situation, it's close to impossible to know.
 
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Not "speculate". Rather "hypothesize". Hypothesis are then tested.
Based on those tests, the hypothesis either gets promoted to theory or it gets discarded.
 
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What so wings just majically appear, with no transitions. No half grown wings? nearly developed wings. Evolutionists have provided one winged dinosaur and say "See proof" .

What is this creationist obsession with "just one Lucy" and so on? It's just not true. Gene2Meme gave a great list of winged dinosaurs. Thinking more about transitional forms, we can look at fabled star of stage and screen... Velociraptor.

"Velociraptor, like other dromaeosaurids, had a large manus ('hand') with three strongly curved claws, which were similar in construction and flexibility to the wing bones of modern birds."



This pattern of three digits in the wing is found in modern birds (but not bats)

 
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I'm not sure I would hire a software engineer that didn't understand genetic algorithms, or evolutionary programming.

And I have no idea what the opinion would be on AI or neural networks.
 
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