Protestantism and selfishness

[Rising_Suns]

Judge, it could also be asked, if righteousness is acquired by works along with grace, couldn't this lead to a Pharasaical attitude

ken,
No one can be rightcheous without faith. Likewise, faith without works is dead. You can't have one without the other. Don't try to apply this "works alone" idea to Catholicism, because this is not what we believe.

they think that they can sin with impunity, then say a few formulaic prayers, and be pronounced "forgiven" by someone else, couldn't this lead to a cavalier attitude towards prayer?

Please read the Catholic FAQ on OBOB, since your knowledge of the Catholic faith seems to be lacking.

 

[Ken]

Perhaps you should reread my post, nowhere did I claim that Rome teaches a "works alone" doctrine of salvation... this is a classic case of your not removing the plank from your own eye in order to see clearly...

 

[Oblio]

The Rennaissance was a lot more than just a religious revolution, it was a personal and political revolution, too. People became free of the religious system that kept them in slavery to an oppressive church and an oppressive form of government called the Feudal system. When people were released from spending every waking moment making the church and their "lords" rich, they realized that they could work to give themselves creature comforts like food, clothing, fuel for the furnace, education and so on. Things we take for granted in the US today. We see them as birthrights, but back then, few of the common people had even these basic needs.

It should be noted that there was no Dark Ages in the Christian East, and hence no Renaisance was needed to 'free' people from these reported evils that did not exist in the East.

Carry on.

 

[Rising_Suns]

Ken,
In all sincerity, I have reread your post, and I still maintain my original comment. It flows from talking about the wrongness of works alone, and directly leads into a Catholic practice that, as you make clear through your comments, you clearly don't understand. You may have not directly stated it, but your bias against the Catholic church is very evident. So if you wouldn't mind taking some time to read the Catholic FAQ page, it may help clear up some of the issues you have with the Catholic faith.

May the peace of our Lord be with you always.

 

[Lanakila]

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