Protecting your family

[Clizby WampusCat]

We've looked at the relative risk of allowing general access to guns versus the risks of not allowing access. In our case restricting access is seen as the lesser collective risk.

OB

One thing that is different in the US is that any gun legislation similar to Australia's is unconstitutional in the US. We need to change our constitution before any major gun restriction laws could be passed. This is something that gun control activists in the US never talk about.

 

[Desk trauma]

Hi Zoii,
I have had firearms since I was 12 years old. Mine must all be faulty because not one of them has ever taken upon itself to go and kill someone? Should I take them to a gunsmith and have them checked??

People kill people not guns. Just like cars don't kill people. Many people are killed in motor vehicle accidents, drunk drivers, texting while driving, falling asleep, drug driving, the list goes on. Maybe we should ban cars?

Graph Road Fatalities Australia. 1925 to 2019. Over 3'500 in the 70's.
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I see your into climate change causes Global Warming. I agree, the climate does change.

Australia wakes to snow in New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria | Daily Mail Online
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Why use that picture, of unclear origin attributed to a new location every winter, rather than any of the multiple ones in the article you linked?

 

[ruthiesea]

I wanted the right of reply as an Australian.
First of all some background -
The Event: In 1996 a single individual, using a semi-automatic weapon, shot and killed 35 people and wounded an additional 26.

The Response: The then conservative Prime Minister, John Howard, took the unpopular and brave step of repealing all such weapons. That is - all citizens owning such weapons had to hand them in and were provided monetary compensation. Laws were passed to prevent owning military grade weapons and owning any firearm would have strict licence requirements.

The Outcome: There have been ZERO mass shooting since. The conservative PM went on to become Australia's longest serving PM and gained the respect of both sides of politics for his stand on firearms.

The biblical Verses
The verses quoted by the original OP by @Adino The Eznite have been twisted and subverted to imply that in not owning a gun, one fails in the duty to protect your family.

As John Howard was quoted as saying, given that most firearm deaths are a result of a domestic violence incident or suicide, removing firearms will protect the family from disgruntled hapless men (statistically firearm murders are predominantly by men, visited upon their family).

Unfortunately, in the US homicides involving long guns, that’s all long guns, account for less than 4% of the incidents. Handguns are used in a vast majority of all homicides.

A study was done after the last assault rifle/high capacity magazine ban by the University of Pennsylvania to measure the effectiveness of the ban. Such weapons were used so rarely that they could not come up with any statistically significant numbers.

Assault rifles are still rarely used in homicides. That’s why they make the news. Meanwhile, the plethora of homicides from handguns are barely mentioned. An assault weapons ban would barely make a dent in the homicide rate and would further divide our country. What we need are effective measures that will actually reduce the number of gun deaths.

The homicide rate in the US is about half of what it was 20 years ago. We must be doing something right.

 

[Adino The Eznite]

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[Zoii]

They enable women, men, the frail, the elderly to protect themselves when attacked by criminals, home invaders, rapists and drug affected maniac's.

Show me ONE case where an Australian woman was saved by the fact she owned a gun. Just ONE. Show me ONE that was saved from rape. Show me ONE that was attacked by a drug-affected maniac

I, however, can show you a hundred where men, just like yourself, took that lawfully owned gun and turned it upon their wife and children...then often upon themselves.

"I have not seen one known criminal, who care nothing for any law, who I know has firearms hidden and which they use, hand in any firearms."

BUT that same police officer no doubt told you that in Australia, overwhelmingly gun murders are the result of domestic violence and suicide by hapless men who thought gun ownership was pivotal in order to be a Man.

All I see is law abiding citizens, who are licenced and have registered their guns handing them in.

And those same law-abiding citizens being the predominant perpetrators of gunshot murders in Australia.

The gun steal back has in fact enabled criminals who now know they can invade homes without fear of being repelled.

Really? Show me the statistics on that. You CANT. For a Christian, you sure like spreading falsehoods.

Heres a statistic for you though. Since that law in 1996, Just ONE mass murder using a firearm - That ONE event was the law-abiding citizen you refer to who shot his whole family.

He outlawed pump action shotguns, stating they were too dangerous for Australian citizens to own. And so I had to hand my legally purchased, legally owned, I am licenced to own firearms, and my firearms are all registered, My Remington 12 guage pump in, which I used to hunt feral pigs. With the compensation I received I purchased a Winchester 44 magnum 10 shot lever action rifle.

Thanks John Howard

That you can boast how you used Australian tax-payers money to purchase another weapon and be sarcastic about it..... I find that totally distasteful and given the overwhelming views of the Australian public regarding guns, I believe pretty much the whole of Australia would have similar views to mine.

 

[Zoii]

One thing that is different in the US is that any gun legislation similar to Australia's is unconstitutional in the US. We need to change our constitution before any major gun restriction laws could be passed. This is something that gun control activists in the US never talk about.

Australia has learned much from the USA. It has bore witness to the gun deaths in excess of 40000-60000 annually with mass shooting events in excess of 400-700 annually.

Since 2015 there have 107 been shootings within schools.

We have observed your carnage and the arguments from US citizens why nothing should change. We are so very grateful to ex-PM John Howard for his strict gun-laws that has spared Australians from such unnecessary pain.

 

[Lazarus Long]

Winchester 44 magnum 10 shot lever action rifle

I would venture to suggest that such a weapon is illegal in Aus and that you may not be being totally truthful.

 

[Lazarus Long]

I have not seen one known criminal

Attack and kill holiday makers in Port Arthur or kill hundreds of school kids in America.

 

[Kylie]

Yes, guns are enablers. They enable women, men, the frail, the elderly to protect themselves when attacked by criminals, home invaders, rapists and drug affected maniac's.

They also enable criminals, home invaders, rapists and drug affected maniacs to shoot and kill women, men, the frail and the elderly.

And that happens far more frequently than the outcome you spoke of.

 

[Adino The Eznite]

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[Kylie]

Show me ONE case where an Australian woman was saved by the fact she owned a gun. Just ONE. Show me ONE that was saved from rape. Show me ONE that was attacked by a drug-affected maniac

Agreed.

Even in the USA, where it seems just about everyone has a gun, the idea of the "good guy with a gun" stepping in to save the day is a fantasy.

How the ‘good guy with a gun’ became a deadly American fantasy

I can find only a handful of cases where the good guy has actually stepped in to prevent a mass shooting. And that's over decades of gun ownership in America.

 

[Adino The Eznite]

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[Kylie]

@Adino The Eznite Are you really going the conspiracy theory route here?

 

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[Darkhorse]

Agreed.

Even in the USA, where it seems just about everyone has a gun, the idea of the "good guy with a gun" stepping in to save the day is a fantasy.

How the ‘good guy with a gun’ became a deadly American fantasy

I can find only a handful of cases where the good guy has actually stepped in to prevent a mass shooting. And that's over decades of gun ownership in America.

A good guy with a gun has saved many lives in Florida – something the media rarely report

9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Texas man who stopped church shooting says he 'had to take out' gunman because 'evil exists'

Gun owner saves pregnant pizza driver from beating, robbery: police

People legally carrying guns stop 22 attacks over last month, including capturing a MS-13 member who was fleeing police - Crime Prevention Research Center

Armed Citizen Intervenes, Kills Suspect Beating AZ State Trooper on Roadside

As Texas Shooter Killed Unarmed Citizens, FBI Admits Armed Citizens Stopped 4 Recent Mass Shootings

Texas church shooting not the first time a good guy with gun takes down mass shooter

Carjacking suspect dead outside Walmart store after armed citizens take action, police say

Carjacking suspect shot dead by man with concealed weapon in Wisconsin, police say

Florida armed bystander stops gunman at crowded back-to-school event at park, police say

Grandmother shoots cyclist trying to break into her home, police say

Home invasion gone wrong: Utah resident kills one suspect, injures another

Homeowner's son shoots, kills three would-be burglars

Husband and wife shoot at gunmen who try to enter their St. Louis home, killing 1, police say

Licensed gun owner aids Illinois cops in shootout with suspect; 1 officer injured

Meet the two armed citizens who stopped a 'potential mass shooting' at Oklahoma restaurant

Mother, daughter thwart armed robbery attempt at Oklahoma liquor store

North Carolina kids fatally shoot man abusing their mother, police say

Texas concealed gun owner kills gunman before he could murder more people

'Hero' Neighbor, Carrying Firearm While Mowing Lawn, Saves Children And Woman From Attack – Concealed Nation

6 teens tried to rob a house, police say. After the homeowner shot and killed 1, the others were charged with murder - CNN

17-Year-Old Girl Uses Dad's Gun to Defend Home From Intruder - GunsAmerica Digest

Texas Woman Stops Five Robbers With Two Shots - GunsAmerica Digest

https://tribunist.com/news/surveillance-footage-from-washington-walmart-shooting-released-video/

Pregnant Florida Woman Kills Home Intruder with AR-15 | National Review


These are just 26 recent examples. I have many, many more.

If you want to talk about decades, the NRA has about 10,000 instances on file.
And yes, @Zoli, they are all referenced with news-media sources.

I'll take my "fantasies" over your "facts" any day...