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Prophets, predictions and wonders

JacksBratt

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Of course I agree with this post.

But in the case of Muhammad how would you explain his enduring appeal to more than a billion people.

People are impressionable. Sports figures, musicians, artists, people of beauty and those who are eloquent in speaking and motivation have had enduring appeal to the masses of their time.... It has nothing to do with any truth or actual omniscient power. They are all still just mere mortal humans.

The most powerful lies must carry an element of truth with them.

Yep.... a little dash of truth will carry the massive lie a long way.... It's still a lie.


In the case of Muhammad the challenge to idolatry and the call to put God first, to behave righteously in fear of Gods judgment were all reasonable requests.

And that's were it stopped... This was the noose that hung you on the rest of the lie.
 
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The key difference between a prophet and a teacher is in presentation. The prophet pretty much tells it like it is, directly from the heart of God, by revelation. The man who helped me so much knew his Bible inside out, yet he rarely quoted Bible verses. When I first met him, I checked almost everything he said because I wanted to be sure that I was hearing the truth. I could never fault him. Maybe twice I disagreed because I had a preconceived notion. He set me straight immediately - from the Bible.

The teacher expounds the revelation. I run a short term Bible School. I have at least one verse to cover everything I teach. An example is the curriculum. Curriculum - Christian Life Bible School Frankston

I am an explainer, which drives some people close to me nuts. I never use one word if 10 will do. I also repeat myself and use a lot of examples. This is not learned. I've never studied teaching techniques.
 
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Most folks emphasis false prophets for now. To have the false, then there' are the true prophets of God.

"Despise not prophesyings." "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." I Thess 5:20-21 It's what they say that's to be tested

Not one believer is perfect in their service to Him
 
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cool story bro,

mistakenly posted in the wrong thread...oops....in the eschatology forum...double oops.
 
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Most Bible Prophets have prophecies that have not happened.
Can you give me a few examples? It is hard to understand your comment, most prophecies are about The Messiah. Thanks.
 
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It boils down to the question that if an invisible entity visited you, how can you tell that He's God?

There are basically two things humans cannot do, 1) break our physics laws, and 2) tell a future.

God showed up to His chosen witnesses, while His witnesses are called prophets for a reason.

They have to experience either miracles or future telling or both for them to identify themselves as well as God.

However, it's not necessary for God to perform miracles or future-telling through the prophets. God perform miracles and prophecies through the prophets for a reason. It's to allow other humans, besides the prophets themselves, to witness with their own eyes that God is with His prophets. Such that the prophets' testimonies will convey among humans. This is a necessary step for a book of testimonies to be included in the Bible.

Acts 14:3 (NIV2011)
So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders.

When a miracle is performed through God's witnesses, or a prophecy from God comes to pass through the mouth of the witnesses, it is thus confirmed that the message the prophets have at hand is from God but no one else. That's the way how an important message is confirmed by God Himself.

That's how a prophet knows himself as well as an important message from God. All prophets acquire information from God directly in a pattern. Mohammad is a joke because he got his info from a self claimed "angel" instead.
 
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There is nothing truly predictive here, he simply knows Jesus and dedicates and sacrifices his life to prepare a way for him.
You are missing one very important prediction. The Holy Spirit that will dwell in all believers.

"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
 
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All prophets in Islam are found in the bible (except Muhammad), but not necessarily called a prophet in the bible. Some we would think are odd, like Adam, Lot or David (all prophets in Islam). so it is clear their criteria are perhaps different and it may stem from adopting values like saints but just using a different word from opposition to heretical Christian idolatry practices in the AP.

My Son's name is Jesse and where I currently live there is a lot of Muslims but the name Jesse is spelt "Jesi" and is a girl's name so people don't quite identify with this western name I called my firstborn son. I used to say its the same name of King's David's Father and it was kind of understood but it meant very little. So I changed my language and said it's the same name of the Father of "Nabi Daud" (prophet Daivd) and the response to this was completely different. There was no identity to David's Father and there was also no identify to King David as those are both Christians identifications. But there was an identity with the prophet David and although no one probably knew Jesse (it would be spelt Yesai) I was able to draw a connection by using the right language.

So is Muhammad a prophet? He isn't for Christians (or Jews) but with Muslims, he is the greatest and if you start debating about the semantics of what a prophet is it will only create conflict and I wouldn't recommend it as an evangelistic strategy. I wait for people to ask me what I think 'x' is before I offer my unsolicited and unwanted opinion of how they got it wrong.

Remember the conversation with Jesus and Peter? it ended with Jesus saying "for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" so when we are challenging deeply ingrained systems we need to recognize our role and that no matter how perfect your argument is there are somethings flesh and blood can not defeat and we need to wait upon revelation from the Father in order for there to be shifts.
 
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The above points out that Mohammad was a false prophet. He was a robber, pedophile and mass murderer. Further, his teachings are not compatible with the teachings of the Bible.
 
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Can you give me a few examples? It is hard to understand your comment, most prophecies are about The Messiah. Thanks.
The prime example is how the Lord will reset our civilization; which is now once again, as in the days of Noah. Jesus said He would correct this situation, Matthew 24:3-44
This event; by fire sent from the heavens, 2 Peter 3:7, is what is often called the Day the Lord comes as a thief, unexpected and shocking everyone.
Millions will be killed on that terrible Day of extreme heat, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. Isaiah 66:15-17, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 63:1-6, Ezekiel 21:1-8, Zephaniah 1:2-18, Revelation 6:12-17

This forthcoming Day, will set the scene for all the rest that must happen until Jesus Returns in glory, seen by everyone. He destroys the attacking armies in the holy Land by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan. Revelation 19:11-21
 
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The above points out that Mohammad was a false prophet. He was a robber, pedophile and mass murderer. Further, his teachings are not compatible with the teachings of the Bible.
Islam is Satans counterfeit religion. There is plenty of other false religions as well, but his major success is Islam.
It will be an Islamic confederation that will soon attempt to wipe out the Jewish State of Israel. That will be their downfall, as the Lord will destroy them all. Amos 5:9, Isaiah 34:2
INCLUDING the ungodly people in Israel; only a Christian Jewish remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
 
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We can all agree that there will be a last day.
 
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We can all agree that there will be a last day.
But the soon to happen: Great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and fiery wrath, Joel 2:30-31, Revelation 6:12-17, +, isn't the Last Day. It will be the first day of all the prophesied end time events.
Over 100 Bible prophesies tell us, with great detail what the Lord will use, [He used water in Noah's time] and its worldwide effects. Isaiah 24:1-13, 2 Peter 3:7,+
 
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I suggest that you seek Christ with all that you have. He can give you answers directly. It’s important that we don’t get sidelined by matters of dogma that only Christ can resolve within you.
 
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Most folks emphasis false prophets for now. To have the false, then there' are the true prophets of God.

It all depends on how one might look at it. For example.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

In order for there to be false christs there has to be a true Christ. And there indeed is, except the true Christ, meaning Jesus of course, is not currently dwelling among us physically. The same can be true about true prophets vs. false prophets. It's not required there have to be true prophets currently physically living among us in order for there to be false prophets currently physically living among us. That's not to say that there are no true prophets living among us then, because there indeed may be some living among us, but it is to say that it's not required that true prophets have to be living among us in order for false prophets to be living among us. I would think what I brought up about false christs vs the true Christ, at least somewhat proves my point.
 
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God promises to

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:" Acts 2:17

"Also, "For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted" I Cor 14:31
 
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