Prophetic word for Benny Hinn and Kent Mattox

[Always in His Presence]

And what should be done for that statement

Applause? Reps or kudos would be appropriate.

Lost all credibility ????? Do you really think I care what you think, especially since you need a shower and all?

I felt the need to bathe because YOU actually tried to use an obscure scripture to justify someone trying to either sound like a snake or superspiritual. Sorry, the Holy Spirit isn't creepy, the man speaking was.

I gave you the info, you can say what you want about the author. You just better make sure the author is not the Holy Spirit, because if it is you're in trouble beyond anything you can imagine.

Enjoy God's mercy, though it is mercy it not always pleasant.

according to you, no I cannot say what I like about the author because you take offense at it.

As for the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit I know doesn't make animal noises when He speaks. And when He does correct, there always restoration in mind.

This Youtube preacher fails at that.

 

[Eschat]

Applause? Reps or kudos would be appropriate.

I felt the need to bathe because YOU actually tried to use an obscure scripture to justify someone trying to either sound like a snake or superspiritual. Sorry, the Holy Spirit isn't creepy, the man speaking was.

This Youtube preacher fails at that.

Like I said before I'm not worried about anything you have to say. You can hang on to whatever cliff of religion you have. I will stand on the Rock of Jesus.

You seem to think Jesus is trying to save people. Jesus has already saved everyone he is going to save over 2,ooo thousand years ago. The only thing happening now is God working that out the manifest timing of what he already did. Jesus said it is finished.

At John Scott's website there is a page defending Benny Hinn and without defending Benny's past errors. I will link the page below for those that want to read it. But some of the excerpts of that page I will post below. I think they are appropriate considering your comments.


BENNY HINN MIRACLES - Point Prophetic

Excerpt 1:

My defense of Benny Hinn Ministries is not a defense of Benny Hinn's past mistakes or of his erred words of knowledge. It is however a defense of Jesus Christ's right to use and to give mercy and grace to anyone he chooses in spite of their mistakes, this including Benny Hinn.

The miracles that occur at every Benny Hinn crusade are by the power of Jesus Christ and his Holy Spirit. This website is designed to empower and unify Christians to help them to better understand each other and why God has and is still using Benny Hinn in spite of Benny Hinn.


Excerpt 2:

When was the last time you heard of a Jewish Rabbi reporting a healing miracle in Israel? When was the last time you heard of a healing miracle by a teacher of Islam?

Now the point I would like to make is this. Why hasn't God allowed the other erred Christian denominations to manifest false miracles? Why aren't the Mormons and Catholics having false miracles in their churches. The Catholics and Mormons teach extremely erred doctrine, so why can't Satan do false miracles in the Catholic or Mormon churches like those who accuse Benny Hinn of doing? Why hasn't God allowed the same deceptive miracles to occur by Muslim teachers, or to Rabbi's in Israel? I mean if Satan could do false Miracles through Benny Hinn as many have accused, then I would think it would be a piece of cake for Satan to do it in the name of anyone. Think about it, when was the last time you heard of a person being completely healed of terminal cancer, or aids in a Satanic Temple. Let's get real everybody; God gave you common sense didn't he? Think about it.

Now I agree Benny Hinn has made many errors outright doctrinally where he has no out and no excuse. But I have also heard others things said about Benny that were nothing more than slander, or sound bites that were blown out of proportion, or out of context. Benny Hinn is a man saved by grace, growing in grace and making mistakes along the way. I am sure the Lord Jesus intends to grow Benny up and correct him in his erred doctrine.

Matt 7:21-23

(21) Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but the ones who do the will of My Father in Heaven. (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many works of power? (23) And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; "depart from Me, those working lawlessness!"

Many Christians who attack Benny Hinn like to use the scripture from Matthew 7 above, they like to focus on verse 22 in respect to power, such as casting out demons and the like. This I find this quite foolish since Jesus never once in this scripture denies if they did miracles in his name, he just states he never knew them. So technically even if Jesus was going to deny knowing Benny Hinn someday and command him to depart, there is nothing in this scripture that states the miracles were not real. Also prophecy in this scripture (Verse 22) has to do with the Gospel message. In the book of Revelation it states that Jesus is the spirit of prophecy and in Corinthians its states that prophecy is for believers, not for unbelievers. Remember, tongues are given as a sign for unbelievers, but prophecy is for believers. The entire word of God is considered prophecy and when you preach the gospel, it is prophesying in his name.

Last but not least I would like to point out the latter part of verse 21, which most attackers of Benny Hinn seem to ignore; it is, "but the ones who do the will of my Father in Heaven." What is the will of his Father in Heaven? Well Jesus told us what the Father's will is, he said; "Judge not, love one another, forgive and pray for your enemies and so forth. So regardless of Benny Hinn mistakes or your point of view on Matthew 7:22, verse 7:21 applies to all Christians not just to those working miracles in Jesus name. If you cannot obey verse 21 which commands us to obey his Father's teaching about judging, then how are you any better than those described in verse 22? It's a double edged sword brother's and sisters so let Jesus Christ be judge, lest he say to you as well depart from me you worker of lawlessness I never knew you.

Acts 13:38

38 Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39 and by him every one that believes is free from everything from which you could not be free by the Law of Moses. 40 Beware, therefore, unless there come upon you what is said in the prophets: 41 'Behold, you scoffers, and wonder, and perish; for I do a deed in your days, a deed you will never believe, even if one declares it to you."

Notice above in verse 39 concerning the Law of Moses. To the mockers and scoffers of Benny Hinn reading today I suggest you read verse 41 above with humbleness and extreme care. Then I suggest you pray asking God in Jesus' name that He would never apply this particular word to your life.

BENNY HINN MIRACLES - Point Prophetic

YouTube - Holy Spirit revival the Power
Hello,

Here are three videos on the subject.

‪666 number the mark of the beast‬‏ - YouTube

1st video is 10 min long. Background music only. It shows the values and finding for 444, 666, 888 and 906.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=570uOJupVBk


2nd video is 45 min long. Same subject but is narrated and explained by John Scott. Has content index at 1 min mark by time on all subjects covered. One of those subjects is the 777 counterfeit arguments by servants of the Antichrist in the future. The last 15 minutes is on the some of the corrupt prosperity teachers begging for money as well as other end time prophecy information.

‪Shroud of Turin new evidence 2011‬‏ - YouTube

This video is discussing the patterns produced by the same numeric alphabet key shown in the first 2 video that seems to point out that the Shroud of Turin is in fact Jesus Christ as he looked over 2,000 years ago.

 

[banish'd]

Hello Eschat,

Thanks for starting this thread. It has been very helpful for me, especially this last post of yours. I appriecate your point of view. But of course, I like Benny Hinn, so I agree with you one hundred percent. I can't understand why a fellow Christian would dislike the guy? Why does it run so deep?


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[K2K]

I'm not familiar with Kent Mattox, but I have been to a couple of Benny Hinn events and it was perfectly obviousl during those events that Benny Hinn hears from the One that I call Lord. Since Benny Hinn hears from the Lord, my Lord, then why would my Lord need me to tell him what He my Lord has to say to him?

I'm not saying that there couldn't be something the Lord needs someone to tell Benny Hinn. Yet if the Lord of lord's really needed someone to tell him something, why is it put over public media? Does Benny Hin or Kent Maddox even know that the message is out there in public hyperspace?

Maybe it is from the Lord, and maybe it was needed to be put in public media, for reason that only the Lord completely understands. Then there is still the question as to whether I really need to listen to it. Is it for me?

As for me, I should concern myself with listening to what the Lord has to tell me, and I should test the spirits. If someone has something that they feel is for me from the Lord, then I am willing to listen and then I'll take it to the Lord, but of what concern of mine are messages specifically given to others?

At what point are we getting into gossip, or at what point am I trying to follow people instead of the Lord?

Frankly, the method used to deliver the message is rather suspecious. It seems more like something given in pride and out of gossip than by the methods that I have seen my Lord usually use. Still, the Lord doesn't think like me, so maybe it is from the Lord, but if so, why spread it around the internet?

Here is what I did hear: The Lord told me that He wanted me to make a post tonight. He told me that it had something to do with Benny Hinn, before I click on the forum site.

Was there anything else? you might ask. Yeah, "He said people need to consider what is right and wrong. People need to quit gossiping."

 

[Tobias]

There used to be a strong anointing on the Prophets, for them to stand people up in front of the Church and speak words over them. There probably still is in some cases. But the purpose was to teach us what prophecy was all about, so public words were quite common.

When Jesus healed the sick, the testimony of what had been done went out to the entire area and people flocked to hear Him. Yet there are at least two instances mentioned where Jesus healed/delivered someone, and told them it was personal and not to tell anyone. The demoniac with the legion of demons was one such case. He wanted to follow Jesus, but was told to go home to his family instead.

So many times we try to take everything God does and use it for marketing or evangelistic tools. But I think that much of it is meant for personal use only. God is fully capable of showing the world His miraculous power if He wanted to! It is said that the world could not contain all the book if they tried to record every person's life that Jesus touched while here on the Earth.

Considering the different gospels contain many repeats of the same stories, then it seems only logical to assume that the majority of what God does is not meant to be talked about publicly. He touches our lives, and we carry that with us always in our hearts; fueling the relationship between us.

Miracles done for the evangelism of lost souls... Well, when they happen, there's not going to be any question what their purpose is! I doubt we could keep them quiet if we wanted to!

 

[banish'd]

Thanks Tobais,

Yes, I agree that relationship is a very important element of the Christian faith, so we should let these Cyber Christians have their relationship unopposed through Hal Lindsey. Why say something bad about them like we have seen early in this thread and spoil their fun? I listened to the YouTube, and Lindsey sounds pretty much like the back room meetings in the Assembly of God Church and those home Bible Studies at Vineyard Charismatic Church. One person in the group is usually vocal and expresses himself like Lindsey did. I'm sure that seasoned Charismatics take that stuff with a grain of salt, and that baby Charismatics are very much impressed. It's been that way since 1976, that I know of.

What ever it is, I felt very much at home while listening to Hal Lindsey.

I think we should remember that personalities enter into it. It seems logical that the Holy Spirit will use Lindsey to minister to those who are attracted to Lindsey's personality. For example, I clash with Tod Bentley, so I doubt if the Holy Spirit would use that guy to get through to me.


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[Presbyterian Continuist]

I listened to the start of the prophecy and I could not detect the voice of Jesus speaking through the person. The voice of Jesus does not speak to me like that, and therefore, if someone gave me a prophecy with the hisses in it like that, I would reject it out of hand.

I have been involved in the prophetic for the last 44 years, and I have learned that when the Holy Spirit speaks, He speaks with a gentle, reassuring voice. Also, prophecy is totally consistent with the printed Word of God and is in line with God's plans and purposes. Also, the method of delivery is in line with the fruit of the Spirit as described in Galatians.

So when we test prophecy, we discern that a genuine prophecy is in complete line with God's Word, and the delivery of the prophecy is accompanied by love, peace, joy, patience, gentleness, kindness, goodness, faithfulness and self control. You will notice that spookiness and theatrical types of delivery are not included in that.

The Holy Spirit will never depart from the Word of God in the way He works. We have seen much error in the Pentecostal/Charismatic area of the church when people have departed from the Word of God and have said that they are operating in the Spirit separate from the Word. I am not sure what spirit they are operating in, but it is not the Holy Spirit of the Bible. Hence, we have seen all sorts of excesses resulting from people thinking that they can operate in the Spirit while ignoring the clear teaching of the Bible.

It comes from a mistaken notion that the written Scriptures are the "dead letter" and that it is the Spirit who gives life. Although this is true to a certain extent, but when Paul talks about the "dead letter" he is speaking about the Mosaic Law and those who follow it without regard to the Gospel of Christ. Those who are filled with the Spirit have the Law of God written on their hearts, and that the written Scriptures come alive to them. Moving in the Spirit does not mean that we leave the written Scriptures out and do things apart from it. Just because a person is filled with the Spirit it does not mean that they go into spiritual anarchy and follow every prompting and impression they get.

Remember that nine out of every ten impressions we get are from the world, flesh, or the devil. Therefore we must test the spirits, and the best way of doing that is to compare the impression with what the Word of God teaches.

So, I strongly reject the prophecy and do not believe it is from the Holy Spirit, even though the words might appear correct and that some people feel some sort of "anointing". I love the Lord too, and are in constant touch with Him through the Word and in prayer, both with the understanding and the Spirit, and when I heard the start of that prophecy, my spirit said a big "NO!"

 

[AudioArtist]

What if someone has a speech impediment? What if they're rather young and immature in the faith, but God has given them a genuine word - and they don't deliver it in the best possible way?

When people make these judgements, most often it sounds like they're judging from outside appearances. One person doesn't like shouting or tough macho talk (me), so they discount everything delivered anything like that, another doesn't like creative dramatic types, so they discount those as 'spooky', another doesn't like your more 'effeminate', gentle types, so they get accused of compromising the truth and being snakey and being 'people pleasers' (I know certain Baptist preachers who'd probably discount many of the teachers I enjoy listening to because they're so polite, English and rather un-confrontational in tone.) And so on and so on.

Obviously, these are extremes to avoid, but so much of ministry and minister judging that goes on isn't spiritual at all, but simply cultural. Nicky Cruz may yell a lot when he preaches and tends towards the sentimental, and I'm not a big fan of yelling, but I know he's the real deal, an ex-criminal changed by the grace of God. Sandy Millar may have a very posh accent, speak like a mouse, and deal with everything politely, but he too is anointed and has done great things for God.

Having said all this, I haven't actually watched the prophecy, because I don't follow Benny Hinn. But if I were to consider whether or not Benny Hinn is worth learning from, I know I wouldn't worry too much about his hair or suits or manner of speaking, much as I find them cheesy. It's the spirit in operation behind these people that matters, and that can only be spiritually discerned.

 

[Eschat]

I listened to the start of the prophecy and I could not detect the voice of Jesus speaking through the person. The voice of Jesus does not speak to me like that, and therefore, if someone gave me a prophecy with the hisses in it like that, I would reject it out of hand.

I have been involved in the prophetic for the last 44 years, and I have learned that when the Holy Spirit speaks, He speaks with a gentle, reassuring voice.

So, I strongly reject the prophecy and do not believe it is from the Holy Spirit, even though the words might appear correct and that some people feel some sort of "anointing". I love the Lord too, and are in constant touch with Him through the Word and in prayer, both with the understanding and the Spirit, and when I heard the start of that prophecy, my spirit said a big "NO!"

Oscar,

Did you listen to the entire video, you should. The video at the bottom of this message is also from John Scott on his series regarding the Holy Spirit. He talks about why God does unusual things to keep away the religiously prideful. He also discusses how God sent Isaiah with a true word to Israel but had Isaiah to walk naked while he preached it for 3 1/2 years. He then discusses how Charismatic Christians have no right to judge the salvation of those who reject the gifts of the spirit. In fact he is the only Charismatic that I have heard that has not attacked non Charismatics.

In my opinion this is the best video in his 5 part series on the Holy Spirit. He seems to be trying to set people free from the notion that God is in a box and must do everything according to what he has done in the past. It is also an interesting teaching video in respect to where he talks about real believers from the 1st century who where baptized in Jesus' name but had never experienced the tangible power of God. It might bless you Oscar if you would just get past the style of delivery of this man. It may be he is doing it on purpose to provoke, or God is doing it through him on purpose. I mean Jesus did everything he could to stumble Israel, had a prostitute as a close friend, healed people on the sabbath, let his disciples pick grain on the sabbath. Told his disciples they had to become cannibals to be saved and the list goes on.

Yes cannibals, when Jesus explained that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood to be saved Jesus did not explain it at that very moment. It would be long after before he did but it so stumbled the multitudes that were following Jesus they all left, even the disciples thought about leaving.

Jesus made a whip and drove out the moneychangers, threw over their tables. Rebuked the disciples for their lack of faith and much more.

So listen to John's video below and pretend Jesus is giving you a test of Grace and tolerance, because even if this man is false he never steps outside of scripture in what he is speaking about, he does not judge anyone's salvation. If you find it hard to tolerate his style, then you probably would have failed the same test the Pharisee's failed when Jesus allowed Mary Magellan the prostitute to touch him.

Here John Scott's video that I think will bless you. This video has only a little hissing in it, most of it being at the end. I hope no one has a hissy fit over that. Sorry, I could not resist the hissy fit comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eINGPqc147I

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

What if someone has a speech impediment? What if they're rather young and immature in the faith, but God has given them a genuine word - and they don't deliver it in the best possible way?

Does the guy have a speech impediment? I don't believe so. At the prophetic conference I attended last weekend there was a guy who had a stammer, yet it was quite obvious that his spirit was right, and he made up for his speech impediment by giving wonderful prophetic drawings to help express the word that God gave him.

 

[Tobias]

Remember that nine out of every ten impressions we get are from the world, flesh, or the devil. Therefore we must test the spirits, and the best way of doing that is to compare the impression with what the Word of God teaches.

I think your ratio 9:1 in favor of error is a little bit too cautious. For the new guy just learning to prophesy, perhaps it's ok. But for the veteran prophet... there is just no way all these "other" voices even register as options most of the time! I could go with a cautious 3:1 if you like, but feel it's more like 50-50, and even better odds in favor of getting it right when someone is going through a positive time in their life and walking close to God and under a powerful anointing. Under these conditions it's much more difficult to get it wrong than it is to get it right!

I ran across someone's testimony a few days ago, telling why he had left Christianity and is now active in another religion. He said that the church he grew up in believed that the only people who were going to make it to heaven were the 300 members of their congregation! There is so much paranoia in Christianity. We think of our God as little, tiny, and weak; while Satan huge and powerful! I disagree with any theology that supports this premise.

Prophecy is Spirit given, and must be Spirit discerned. The Bible speaks volumes concerning Gods ways and methods, but prophecy speaks into our lives in a specific way. So while a word of prophecy should not counteract the Bible, it is impossible to judge it from a stand point of only knowing the word. You HAVE to be gifted by the Spirit to judge prophecy!

God has a lot of people on His side, and uses a variety of methods to get through to us. Most of us live off of a limited diet though. We limit ourselves to only certain set things that we can be certain are God, and reject everything else. So while using extreme caution in our own lives is fine, because we can still experience God in our own limited way; we run into serious trouble by telling other people that their experiences with God are not genuine!

 

[Lively Stone]

I remember when Kent Mattox was Benny Hinn's right hand man! (Like, 20 years ago.)


So... hissing aside, I do feel an anointing on this man's prophetic words. However, I must ask, who the heck is he? What is his position, that he should speak direction into these men's lives and ministries?

If indeed he is a true Prophet, called of God to speak to these men, then why is this posted on the internet? I find it impossible to judge this word, as it is personal, or at minimum ministry centered, and I feel as though I am listening in on something I have no business hearing.

"Where God guides, God provides." If God gives you a word about someone else, then just listen and keep your mouth shut. If He expects you to repeat it to the person in the form of a prophetic word, then He will open up the doors for you to do so. You will not have to post it on Youtube, where thousands of other people have the opportunity to listen to it first, and just hope the guy it's meant for will happen to come along and hear it too!

Exactly. The fact that this is on the internet smacks of self-aggrandizement, and immediately causes me to seriously question intent and source.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I think your ratio 9:1 in favor of error is a little bit too cautious. For the new guy just learning to prophesy, perhaps it's ok. But for the veteran prophet... there is just no way all these "other" voices even register as options most of the time! I could go with a cautious 3:1 if you like, but feel it's more like 50-50, and even better odds in favor of getting it right when someone is going through a positive time in their life and walking close to God and under a powerful anointing. Under these conditions it's much more difficult to get it wrong than it is to get it right!

I ran across someone's testimony a few days ago, telling why he had left Christianity and is now active in another religion. He said that the church he grew up in believed that the only people who were going to make it to heaven were the 300 members of their congregation! There is so much paranoia in Christianity. We think of our God as little, tiny, and weak; while Satan huge and powerful! I disagree with any theology that supports this premise.

Prophecy is Spirit given, and must be Spirit discerned. The Bible speaks volumes concerning Gods ways and methods, but prophecy speaks into our lives in a specific way. So while a word of prophecy should not counteract the Bible, it is impossible to judge it from a stand point of only knowing the word. You HAVE to be gifted by the Spirit to judge prophecy!

God has a lot of people on His side, and uses a variety of methods to get through to us. Most of us live off of a limited diet though. We limit ourselves to only certain set things that we can be certain are God, and reject everything else. So while using extreme caution in our own lives is fine, because we can still experience God in our own limited way; we run into serious trouble by telling other people that their experiences with God are not genuine!

The ratio comes from Jessie Pen Lewis from her book War on The Saints, which she wrote as a result of experiences during the Welsh Revival. She has been considered an authority on Spiritual Warfare by the majority of evangelical and Pentecostal Christians.

One thing about the ministry of the Spirit. We cannot divorce it from the Word. They both work together. The Word without the Spirit is dead letter, and the Spirit without the Word is spiritual anarchy. We must consider both together. The principal judgment of what spirit is operating is made from the Word, and all discernment must be based on what the Word teaches about the plans and purposes of God.

 

[Eschat]

Exactly. The fact that this is on the internet smacks of self-aggrandizement, and immediately causes me to seriously question intent and source.

Amazing,

I find it hard to believe you make that argument. You are on a forum that along with truth, also has forums that preach gross error. On top of all that they sell advertising that is of the world and not of God. In light of God's grace I have no problem with this, but if your going to take a stand on principle and so called purity of the Word then you should not be anywhere near this forum. Since you are here I assume you like me believe the word of God about grace.

As far as your argument that a prophetic word should only be private even if it is true then why do you read the epistles. Those were the letters to the church of Paul's time.

You said:

If He expects you to repeat it to the person in the form of a prophetic word, then He will open up the doors for you to do so. You will not have to post it on Youtube, where thousands of other people have the opportunity to listen to it first, and just hope the guy it's meant for will happen to come along and hear it too!

How do you know Kent Mattox has not already heard this prophetic word? How do you know if it is true that Jesus didn't want you and thousands of others to hear about it before he does it. You act like this is a prophetic word condemning Kent Mattox, no it is a word if true that will bless Kent Mattox and if true I'm sure Kent himself will say it was a blessing after it comes to pass. If it is error then God himself will show it as well as judge John Scott for speaking it.

My question to you is this, did you listen to the entire video? I could be wrong but my guess is that you did not. How about the other video by John Scott that I posted. Did you listen to it? Because if you did not listen to the whole video then you have no right to judge it based on the word of God. So if you want to judge it, then listen to all of it.

One other thing, whoever John Scott is he does not ask, beg or solicit for your money or donations. I find that a nice change considering his website is filled with a wealth of information at no charge. Not many Christian websites like that anymore, not serious websites anyway where you can actually learn something.

Even this forum on top of the advertising is asking for money. I mean it only costs about is $0.10/GB to 0.40 GB for commercial forum hosting.Then maybe 11.99 a month for their domain. This forum probably does about 5 gigabyte per 24 hours. They don't get a bandwidth charge for videos, just text and graphics. So it costs about $5.00 dollars a day to run this forum when it is busy, about a 2.00 a day when it is slow. 5 gigabytes is about 1.8 million views a day, that includes archives and operations. But to be honest to say this forum does 5 gigs a day is being very generous. This forum most likely does less than a gig a day, but I base all the costs projections below for a forum that does 5 gigs a day.

That's about 180.00 on the low side to 360.00 a month on the high side or 2,000 to 4,000 a year for bandwidth and about another 130.00 a year on server costs. So this forum when busy gets by on about 2,200.00 - to 4,000.00 a year for everything with the exception of any personal server machine that might need servicing or repair. Commercial server machines that could run this forum well are less than $1,400 with software pre-installed. Once installed they are good for at least ten years. My guess is this forum's costs are much lower per year.

This forum advertises it has 250,000 members. Lets say only 5 percent support this forum with donations. Lets say the donation is only one dollar a month or 2.9 cents a day for a grand total of $12.00 per year per member. 5 percent of 250,000 members is 12,500 members. So if all 5 percent (12,550 members) donated to this forum one dollar a month, then Christian forums will make 150,000.00 in donations a year.

If all 250,000 members had donated a dollar a day it would be 3 million dollars for the year. But even at only 5 percent that is 150,000.00 dollars a year. If you have an overhead of 4,000.00 a year to operate the forums, then that is still a profit of of 146,000.00 dollars.

Now the reason I gave all this information is to point out and then ask this. What is more sincere, the advertising presented here and monetary requests to be a CF supporter, or John Scott's videos and websites where no requests for support are made? Don't misunderstand I do not have not problem with CF making a profit for themselves, but I just wanted you to consider another point of view. If your going to judge something and then state "God will open the door" then you should consider who opens the door here. God or the selling of advertising?

So my point in this "God or somebody depending on your point of view has already opened that door for John Scott"

Most likely most of you have not yet been to John Scott's You Tube channels. He has three, I will link one of them below.

http://www.youtube.com/user/666calculator
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[Tobias]

The ratio comes from Jessie Pen Lewis from her book War on The Saints, which she wrote as a result of experiences during the Welsh Revival. She has been considered an authority on Spiritual Warfare by the majority of evangelical and Pentecostal Christians.

One thing about the ministry of the Spirit. We cannot divorce it from the Word. They both work together. The Word without the Spirit is dead letter, and the Spirit without the Word is spiritual anarchy. We must consider both together. The principal judgment of what spirit is operating is made from the Word, and all discernment must be based on what the Word teaches about the plans and purposes of God.

Jesse Pen Lewis; isn't she the lady that all but STOPPED the Welsh revival? She is definitely NOT an authority on anything in any charismatic church I have ever attended.

But I imagine you have seen many times when people would have done good to check their prophecies with scripture before speaking them aloud? I do not contest that there is a huge problem with unaccountability in prophetic circles.

On the flip side though, I have seen scripture twisted and abused by religious people, who want nothing more than to declare all prophets as false. These people listen to a false spirit of discernment, and are not held accountable by anyone.

 

[banish'd]

I am a Preterist, so I'm wondering where to draw the line between Scott's "End Times Prophecy Videos" and Superstition? I'm talking about John Scott's web page.

Here it is:

END TIME PROPHECY VIDEOS - Point Prophetic


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[Presbyterian Continuist]

Jesse Pen Lewis; isn't she the lady that all but STOPPED the Welsh revival? She is definitely NOT an authority on anything in any charismatic church I have ever attended.

From my understanding of the history, it was Evan Roberts who had a breakdown, and because much of the revival was dependent on his ministry (which is questionable to have a whole revival depending on one fallible man), the revival started to peter out when he was no longer driving it. This has plenty of similar events in churches today where a church is planted by a man with a vision and when he departs from the scene, those who take over do not have the same calibre and the church drifts away toward mediocrity and finally becomes a monument.

The only people I know of that criticised her were those who were envious of her ministry. Of course, the way she went up against Satan and exposed what he was trying to do in the church, would have made Satan very mad at her and he would have done a lot to try and discredit her. Therefore I take critical statements about her with a grain of salt for that reason, and also because she is not around to defend herself. We all have to stand before Christ one day, and the truth will surely come out then.

But I imagine you have seen many times when people would have done good to check their prophecies with scripture before speaking them aloud? I do not contest that there is a huge problem with unaccountability in prophetic circles.

Yes. After 40 years of hearing the good, bad and ugly in the prophetic, I would agree. Of course most of those prophecies were lost 5 minutes after uttering them because no one recorded them and most forgot what was said before they walked out the door.

On the flip side though, I have seen scripture twisted and abused by religious people, who want nothing more than to declare all prophets as false. These people listen to a false spirit of discernment, and are not held accountable by anyone.

Quite right. There is the world, flesh and devil quite active in today's church. Even Paul and John recognised the same thing in their day. The Scripture is twisted and distorted in every denomination, some worse than others.

We need to stand on the sure foundation, which is Christ. In the face of the excesses of the Corinthian churcn, he determined to know nothing among them save Christ and Him crucified. That is the best foundation I know.

 

[Tobias]

It's quite possible that Lewis saw many many things going on during the revival that gave her the ratio of 9:1. If that was the case, then there was a whole lot happening that shouldn't have been. But in the book God's Generals, Lairdon speaks very poorly of her. And as a Deliverance worker, I was advised to avoid any books written by her.

I suppose it all boils down to what we see. If the people are out of control, then I suppose everything gets passed off as a "word from the Lord."

And speaking of a high ratio for missing God, I must say that this has been my experience too when it comes to other people judging prophecy and anointings. I don't know if I have a particularly developed gift, or if tons of other people just presume themselves to be giants of the Faith and able to pass judgment based upon their extensive knowledge of the Bible. Or if I am flat out listening to wrong spirits. But I disagree with so many people so much of the time!

The prophecy posted above is anointed. Perhaps not for me or for my benefit, but for somebody.

 

[banish'd]

Hello again,

I am a Preterist, and during this thread no one answered my question. Where do I draw the line between "End Times Prophecy Videos" and Superstition?



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[Tobias]

Hello again,

I am a Preterist, and during this thread no one answered my question. Where do I draw the line between "End Times Prophecy Videos" and Superstition?



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This thread has been about current day prophets, and judging a word of prophecy. Not to be confused with biblical prophecy and end times theories. The two are sometimes confused as they both contain the word "prophecy" in them. But they are opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to people's interest, imo.

I have no idea what a Preterist is, nor do I really care. People who would know and care most likely didn't make it past the first couple of posts in this thread. If you start a new topic and ask your questions there, you will have a lot better chance of finding the people who know what you're talking about.