Prophetic practice thread

ahmunmun · Sep 10, 2007

I generally agree with what is being discussed here about putting the word in first person, but I must say that some of the words put in first person format really witnessed to me in the past. I could almost hear God's voice while I was reading.

So I'm not against that format, but as with everything, the word giver needs to be careful, and the subject person needs to judge the word like all others.

ahmunmun · Sep 10, 2007

Oscarr said:
This is why I will not prophesy guidance fortell the future, deal with hatches, matches, or despatches, or reveal sin in people. The Lord has not included those in my brief.

Note that this post is to Oscarr only, and I would prefer that only Oscarr answers, as others were not a part of that dialogue between me and him that happened in the Prophetic Ministry forum.

I have been praying that the Lord would speak to you about what I quoted from your post. Are you saying that there is absolutely no exception to the rule? I hope you remember that you once gave me a prophecy which dealt with a young man in my church. That prophecy contained matches, sin revealing, and predictions which are all areas that you normally avoid. Do you remember how happy I was when I read that prophecy? I told you about it. It was the most wonderful miracle in my life. For the first time in my life, I realized that I could hear the voice of God, because all those things you wrote were things that I had previously felt were from God, and you even put them more directly than I could hear myself!

I am going through the hardest time of my life trying to keep on believing that the prophecy you gave would come to pass, and I know that there will be contesting along the way (e.g., Satan asking "Has God said...?", what seems to be the opposite starts occuring, etc.), but not this much. Let me tell you: It does not help reading posts where you talk about being against prophecies containing matches and predictions, because I am battling to hold onto my faith in that prophecy you gave which contains exactly these aspects! Please consider for a moment what I am feeling. How can I hold onto my faith in a prophecy when the prophet (or word giver) is against what he says?

I hope I'm making sense. Life's been really tough. I hope that God speaks to you in response to what I wrote. Thanks for listening.

Stpatterk · Sep 11, 2007

This is why it is unwise to use the first person in prophecy to give the impression that God is speaking directly. It is better to say "I have received something, and I am not sure whether it is God saying it, but I will pass it on to you anyway, because I want to be obedient to the promptings of the Spirit." It is then up to the experienced ones in the group to say yea or nay; or it is up to the person receiving a personal prophecy to say whether he or she thinks it is the Spirit speaking to him or her.

It is only my opinion. This is not the word of God. Oscarr, you are one of the few people in this forum that many brothers and sisters in the Lord find your words to be final authority.

With the above said, you appear to contradict yourself. If this is in fact a practice thread, you annul those who may post with a few of your careless words. Why would it be unwise? Is this a word of knowledge? Is this a word of wisdom?

Unwise that what you're saying is that you pass your judgement without weighing what has been spoken? Is it wise to place the Holy Spirit in a box? By that, I mean between four walls like a Church building?

Where is the peace that passes all understanding? Where is the joy? Where is the praise and worship and joy in the Holy Ghost? Where is the anointing?

When you speak the way you do, I feel like an individual who is being orchestrated to be moved only in the fashion as you feel pleased. For this reason, I refuse to respond to others who have requested for a word only because you have stated your case and it appears to have been closed without giving consideration of what others may feel or led to think.

Thank you Oscarr. You have many followers already. To say that you err, would be the same as the sheep that follow you too err. But that is not what the Lord would have us do. We are here to build, edify, exhort, comfort. Where is the building only He can build? Where is the edifying in the way only He can edify? Where is the exhortation in way on He can exhort? Where is the comfort in the way only He can provide it?

Are you the comforter? Can I rest on the comfort of your word? Maybe I need a reality check and if that's the case, I'll be more than happy to stand to be corrected. I love being corrected and I love those whom God uses to correct me in the way He does.

Heartland · Sep 11, 2007

One thing I know for sure, taking offense will quench the Holy Spirit faster than anything else I've ever seen. (Notice I didn't say "giving" offense. Giving offense is powerless unless somebody "takes" it up)

Hisgirl · Sep 11, 2007

I'm enjoying seeing many of you step out. I pray the Lord will use your mouth as a vessel to share His word. I have a situation that has arisen and I am curious about any words folks here may hear.

Looking forward to this!

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 12, 2007

ahmunmun said:
Note that this post is to Oscarr only, and I would prefer that only Oscarr answers, as others were not a part of that dialogue between me and him that happened in the Prophetic Ministry forum.

I have been praying that the Lord would speak to you about what I quoted from your post. Are you saying that there is absolutely no exception to the rule? I hope you remember that you once gave me a prophecy which dealt with a young man in my church. That prophecy contained matches, sin revealing, and predictions which are all areas that you normally avoid. Do you remember how happy I was when I read that prophecy? I told you about it. It was the most wonderful miracle in my life. For the first time in my life, I realized that I could hear the voice of God, because all those things you wrote were things that I had previously felt were from God, and you even put them more directly than I could hear myself!

I am going through the hardest time of my life trying to keep on believing that the prophecy you gave would come to pass, and I know that there will be contesting along the way (e.g., Satan asking "Has God said...?", what seems to be the opposite starts occuring, etc.), but not this much. Let me tell you: It does not help reading posts where you talk about being against prophecies containing matches and predictions, because I am battling to hold onto my faith in that prophecy you gave which contains exactly these aspects! Please consider for a moment what I am feeling. How can I hold onto my faith in a prophecy when the prophet (or word giver) is against what he says?

I hope I'm making sense. Life's been really tough. I hope that God speaks to you in response to what I wrote. Thanks for listening.

Thank you for your post and your questions. You are doing exactly what you should be doing - asking questions about a prophecy given and comparing it with what I have said about the prophecies I am to give.

I know that the Lord has given me a brief with boundaries, and this is the general norm that I follow. Yet, there are times when the normal rule can be broken to meet a specific need. I remember you asking me for a word to try and resolve what was being a very difficult situation for you. It was not the normal scenario of a person meeting a member of the opposite sex and wanting a word of guidance. You were having extraordinary difficulties with the person which needed extraordinary assistance from the prophetic.

It was in this context that I asked the Lord for a specific word and I gave you in faith what I received. I remember that I agonised over it because of the nature of the word that I got, and I would not have been surprised if you had come back to me saying that it did not apply to you. But, as I remember, the word was very helpful to you.

I also remember asking you to print it out and to show it to your pastor for confirmation that the word was appropriate and suitable to be shown to the young man in question. I cannot remember what the outcome of that was. I understand that the pastor confirmed that the word was appropriate.

The judgement of whether a word from anyone contains the voice of God to you comes from your heart. If you felt that the word was guidance from the Holy Spirit, then that is good enough for me. If you still feel after all this time and in changing circumstances that the word given is still appropriate, or even more appropriate, then this shows the miracle of God's guidance when given by someone in faith who knows virtually nothing of the circumstances around it.

But giving such guidance is not an everyday occurrence. I don't think it should be requested on a routine basis. But in a dire emergency when someone needs immediate help, then the Holy Spirit is quite able to give a word in season for that situation. I think that it is in the region of a once in a lifetime thing, and the word can set the standard for any similar experience you may have in the future with someone who interracts with you in the same way.

I think it is quite right to have this on the public thread because others can read it and know that the Holy Spirit can do things outside of a person's brief if the need is there.

I hope this is of help to you. Don't hesitate to PM me if you need further answers.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 12, 2007

Stpatterk said:
This is why it is unwise to use the first person in prophecy to give the impression that God is speaking directly. It is better to say "I have received something, and I am not sure whether it is God saying it, but I will pass it on to you anyway, because I want to be obedient to the promptings of the Spirit." It is then up to the experienced ones in the group to say yea or nay; or it is up to the person receiving a personal prophecy to say whether he or she thinks it is the Spirit speaking to him or her.

It is only my opinion. This is not the word of God. Oscarr, you are one of the few people in this forum that many brothers and sisters in the Lord find your words to be final authority.

With the above said, you appear to contradict yourself. If this is in fact a practice thread, you annul those who may post with a few of your careless words. Why would it be unwise? Is this a word of knowledge? Is this a word of wisdom?

Unwise that what you're saying is that you pass your judgement without weighing what has been spoken? Is it wise to place the Holy Spirit in a box? By that, I mean between four walls like a Church building?

Where is the peace that passes all understanding? Where is the joy? Where is the praise and worship and joy in the Holy Ghost? Where is the anointing?

When you speak the way you do, I feel like an individual who is being orchestrated to be moved only in the fashion as you feel pleased. For this reason, I refuse to respond to others who have requested for a word only because you have stated your case and it appears to have been closed without giving consideration of what others may feel or led to think.

Thank you Oscarr. You have many followers already. To say that you err, would be the same as the sheep that follow you too err. But that is not what the Lord would have us do. We are here to build, edify, exhort, comfort. Where is the building only He can build? Where is the edifying in the way only He can edify? Where is the exhortation in way on He can exhort? Where is the comfort in the way only He can provide it?

Are you the comforter? Can I rest on the comfort of your word? Maybe I need a reality check and if that's the case, I'll be more than happy to stand to be corrected. I love being corrected and I love those whom God uses to correct me in the way He does.

Thank you for this. You have brought up a very important point. Firstly, I think that it is dangerous to accept a word from me as though it is automatically the Word of God just because some of my words have been accurate in the past.

The word of God does not come from me. It comes through me. The purity of the word that comes through me depends on the extent to which I am listening the the Spirit when it comes. We are all human and subject to error and failure. The miracle is that God can use us to speak a word in season, and without knowing it, speak just the right word to a person that increases their faith and trust in God in a dynamic way.

When I give a word, it is always in faith. Through experience, I have been able to recognise a seed thought that I can extend into a word. I also have learned to detect a flow of expression in the spirit and to be able to stop when it stops and not try to put my own interpretation on what is being said.

The only reliable Word of God is what is written in the Bible. The Word of God that comes through the prophetic is not objective truth; it is subjective - in other words, it is the person receiving it who determines whether it is the Word of God to him or her. If a word contains the voice of God to a person, there is something that witnesses in the person's spirit that confirms that.

Most of the words I give, I don't feel a thing. I get a seed thought and I give what comes to me in absolute faith and obedience. Many times, my own natural mind objects to what I am typing, and it is always amazing to me that those words are so accurate at times.

The teaching that a prophetic word has to be always without error is totally wrong. We have the treasure in earthen vessels. You will notice that when gold is mined, it often comes out mixed with all sorts of impurities, and it has to be refined to get the pure gold. It is the same with the prophetic. A word can be given which contains the pure gold, but it has to be evaluated and judged to extract the pure gold from it.

Who is Oscarr? Just a normal Joe Palooka who can give words of prophecy to increase the faith of others. To put Oscarr on a pedestal is an error. Years ago, a group of people did that to me and I asked God to show them that their idol has feet of clay. Thereafter, I went through a set of circumstances that showed those people that I was just another human being, and they were mean and nasty to me as a result. You see, they were a group that set up people as idols. The Lord says that we should never worship any other gods beside Him, and that includes other Christians who have blessed us and increased our faith at times.

To set another brother in Christ up on a pedestal and say he is someone special is plain idolatory. I don't want followers in my own right. If you are going to be my followers, follow me as I follow Jesus, and keep Him on the throne of your lives.

My word to you is "Let God be true and every man (including me) a liar." Oscarr may not always speak truth in the word he gives, but the Holy Spirit always speaks the truth. Jesus is the only truth. We are all liars by comparison.

I hope that puts things into their correct perspective for you. Don't have confidence in me. If you really knew me you wouldn't put me up on a pedestal as someone special. It is Jesus who is special. Listen to Him - hear His voice.

If you hear His voice through my prophecies, well and good, but don't for goodness sake assume that His voice always speaks through them. If you have that attitude, you will be very very disappointed. The arm of flesh will always fail you.

Just look at how many good people have had their faith almost destroyed when their favourite preacher has been shown to have had an affair with his secretary, or who has given a general prophecy that has been proved to be off the wall, or who has been sent to prison for fraud.

So don't trust me. Test everything that I say with God's Word and don't take my words for granted. Ask the Holy Spirit before accepting them. That way, you will be kept from error, and you will always keep me and my ministry in their right perspective.

BellaSong · Sep 12, 2007

Could use a word.

Yekcidmij · Sep 12, 2007

Oscarr said:
Thank you for your post and your questions. You are doing exactly what you should be doing - asking questions about a prophecy given and comparing it with what I have said about the prophecies I am to give.

In an effort to keep my posts to a minimum as requested, I will just stick to questions here. Why is anyone to compare prophecies given with what you have said?

I know that the Lord has given me a brief with boundaries, and this is the general norm that I follow. Yet, there are times when the normal rule can be broken to meet a specific need.

So the Lord gave you boundries, but those boundries from the Lord were too limiting or weren't good enough, so now they are to be broken?

If you felt that the word was guidance from the Holy Spirit, then that is good enough for me.

When are we to base guidance from the Holy Spirit on our feelings? Or where are we told this? Or why would one base guidance from Him on our feelings?

Yekcidmij · Sep 12, 2007

Oscarr said:
The word of God does not come from me. It comes through me. The purity of the word that comes through me depends on the extent to which I am listening the the Spirit when it comes.

Where are we told that we have to be in tune with the Spirit in order to hear the word of God? Where are we told that the word of God is only as accurate as the person giving it?

Through experience, I have been able to recognise a seed thought that I can extend into a word.

A "seed thought"?

I also have learned to detect a flow of expression in the spirit and to be able to stop when it stops and not try to put my own interpretation on what is being said.

Is this how people handled words of the Lord in scripture?

The only reliable Word of God is what is written in the Bible. The Word of God that comes through the prophetic is not objective truth; it is subjective -

You seem to indicate that not all Words of God are reliable. Prophetic words in the bible were always accurate. Why would they be any different now? When and where are we told that Words of God are subjective?

in other words, it is the person receiving it who determines whether it is the Word of God to him or her. If a word contains the voice of God to a person, there is something that witnesses in the person's spirit that confirms that.

Can you show me an example in scripture where someone receiving a word of God was private? Could you show me where the validity of a word of God was determined by a person's feelings?

The teaching that a prophetic word has to be always without error is totally wrong.

Can you provide a biblical reference? Most that I have come across say that a prophet must always be accurate. Did that change somewhere that I'm not aware of?

heron · Sep 12, 2007

Where are we told that we have to be in tune with the Spirit in order to hear the word of God? Where are we told that the word of God is only as accurate as the person giving it?

This would come as an experiential conclusion, but also an ethical sense -- not just wanting to get from God without trying to connect with Him But scripturally, you are right -- when God wants to speak, He speaks. Balaam, the burning bush... people (and critters) who were called by God for a task were not always in tune.

I had an experience this week of heightened awareness of spirits (mostly human) -- and it was because I had placed myself in a situation where I needed continual awareness, and I asked that He help and give me what I needed to function in a different setting. It is amazing what He can do!

When you speak the way you do, I feel like an individual who is being orchestrated to be moved only in the fashion as you feel pleased. For this reason, I refuse to respond to others who have requested for a word only because you have stated your case and it appears to have been closed without giving consideration of what others may feel or led to think.

This is common in prophetic circles -- what starts out as honing skills and establishing limits can very quickly tend toward legalism. I'm not condemning it-- it's just that prophecy is such an unpredictable, volative phenomenon, and it can be misused so easily, that people form protective boundaries much more quickly than for other safer ministries.

"My lord Moses, stop them."

In Context

spiritlead · Sep 12, 2007

BellaSong said:
Could use a word.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart, for He is with you, and will keep you in all situations, fear not, surrender all worry and care to Him, for did He not part the Red Sea, did He not calm the storm. Walk by faith and not by sight[what you see with your natural eyes], set your affections on things above and meditate in the Word day and night,and Hewill keep you in perfect peace.

Don't grow weary in well doing, for you will reap a tremendous harvest if you faint not!!

Isaih
40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
When you have a heart for God and you know He loves you, your confidence in His ability to deliver you soars. You know help is on the way and you eagerly anticipate it. First Thessalonians 5:1618 encourages, "Always be joyful. Never stop praying. Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you who belong to Christ Jesus" . God doesn't tell you to thank Him for negative circumstances; He says to thank Him while you're in the midst of them. Doing this shows that you trust Him to bring you out.

The storms of life are going to come; but don't let them disturb your peace and affect your thoughts and emotions. This will only move you into selfpity and frustration. Instead, maintain an attitude of praise. He will make a way out of know way.

Yekcidmij · Sep 12, 2007

heron said:
This would come as an experiential conclusion,

OK. I understand what you are saying. My experience, however, concludes that what is found in scripture is true. And I can find nowhere where we are told that we need to be in tune to hear God.

but also an ethical sense -- not just wanting to get from God without trying to connect with Him

I'm confused here.

Balaam, the burning bush... people (and critters) who were called by God for a task were not always in tune.

The burning bush?

OK. In scripture, it wasn't that people were trying to tune in to God as much as it was that they all heard Him, just some chose to obey while others chose to ignore or disobey. Nowhere could I find where we have to practice hearing God. We might have to improve at obeying God or applying what we learn, but God's communications, specifically in the prophetic, are always clear.

I had an experience this week of heightened awareness of spirits (mostly human)

i'm not sure what to make of this.

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The reason I have an issue with this is because some people (ex. Mormons) also say things like "pray about it and you will feel it in your heart". And I find it odd how their message is "confirmed by the Holy Spirit" also. Does anyone see what I'm getting at? What I'm getting at is that you can use your feelings to confirm whatever you want, so you shouldn't use feelings alone as confirmation.

"My lord Moses, stop them."

In Context

The J. P. Green translation that is referenced here is a little different from the NIV, NASB, and KJV. In the other translations, it's a little clearer that Moses is speaking rhetoricly and indicates that not all of the Lord's people were prophets.

Here is the NIV:

28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses' aide since youth, spoke up and said, "Moses, my lord, stop them!"

29 But Moses replied, "Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!" 30 Then Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp.

spiritlead · Sep 12, 2007

Hisgirl said:
I'm enjoying seeing many of you step out. I pray the Lord will use your mouth as a vessel to share His word. I have a situation that has arisen and I am curious about any words folks here may hear.

Looking forward to this!

You have been experiencing tremendous blessing in the promised land, oh daughter of the King, and He is truly ruling and reigning inside your heart, and He would say unto you this day, Ask, and it shall be given to you, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened. For I have been faithful unto you and i will continue to be faithful in all situation and circumstance. Trust me, stand still, be at peace and rest in me, and you shall surely see my salvation. For surely I AM beautiful for every situation.

Are their young adults involved in this situation, Hisgirl?

ahmunmun · Sep 12, 2007

I appreciate your response, Oscarr.

Like I said, lately it has been an extraordinary challenge to keep on believing in the word. I want the things to happen. I really do. And I still believe in the prophecy even though it is impossible for the things to happen in the natural realm. I hope my believing is faith and not stubbornness and wishful thinking...

ahmunmun · Sep 12, 2007

I am also requesting that you guys pray with me that God will bring that prophecy to pass, despite how impossible it is, or if the prophecy is wrong or has been cancelled, that He tells me loud and clear and ensures that I have heard.

Until I hear an answer from God, I'm pretty much stuck in my state of confusion.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 12, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
In an effort to keep my posts to a minimum as requested, I will just stick to questions here. Why is anyone to compare prophecies given with what you have said?

You will note that I did not say that everyone's prophecies should be compared with what I said. Note that I was responding to specific questions from another person on the thread. What I meant was that it was good to ask questions to clarify prophecies that I had given after comparing those prophecies with what I have said about the nature of my prophecies, especially when it appears that I have broken one of my own rules.

So the Lord gave you boundries, but those boundries from the Lord were too limiting or weren't good enough, so now they are to be broken?

I have already covered this in an explanation to another person on the thread who asked me how I could give a prophecy that was outside of the brief that I had said I had received from the Lord. My answer is that although in general I was to keep within the brief, there were extraordinary times when the Holy Spirit does something unusual and different from the norm.

When are we to base guidance from the Holy Spirit on our feelings? Or where are we told this? Or why would one base guidance from Him on our feelings?

The English language has its limitations. We often use the word 'feelings' to describe any prompting that we may receive, either from our natural emotions, from our mind, or from our spirit. I have posted at length previously on this issue and all you need to do is to go back through my Prophecy teaching thread and see the answers there, from me and others on that thread. Actually I thought that you would be spiritually aware and intelligent enough to know that I would not be basing prophecy and guidance on emotions. I have taught contrary to that so many times now that to those who read my posts carefully would know that without any doubt!

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 12, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
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Where are we told that we have to be in tune with the Spirit in order to hear the word of God? Where are we told that the word of God is only as accurate as the person giving it?

Have you not read any of my previous posts on the prophetic? In a previous post, I explained in detail how I believe the word of prophecy comes to us. Did you not read that? Do you really believe that every time a preacher gets up and says that God gave him the sermon to preach that you automatically accept it as the Word of God and equivalent to Holy Scripture? To speak the Word of God as Jesus spoke it, we need to be a perfect and in tune with the Father as Jesus was. If you accept every word of prophecy that comes from anyone who gives it as the Word of God without testing it to see whether it is in harmony with Holy Scripture or the revealed plans and purposes of God, then you will end up in a very sorry state of disillusionment and confusion.

Also, you are taking one snippet of what I said and ignoring the rest in context. If a word of prophecy is going to be accurate, then it is the person receiving it who makes that determination based on how that word registers with him or her. A word can be given which doesn't mean a tin of fish to everyone except just one person who receives a witness in the spirit that the word is appropriate for him or her.

A "seed thought"?

A prophecy rarely comes complete to a person. It usually starts with a sentence or a scripture, along with a witness in the spirit that this is the start of a prophetic word. As the person speaks out that sentence in faith, then the flow of thought starts. The person speaks what comes until the flow stops. This has been my experience of the prophetic.

Hey, how much do you really know about the prophetic? These questions seem to be coming from someone who knows very little about it.

Is this how people handled words of the Lord in scripture?

If you mean the people who listened to Jesus, I think that they accepted His teaching just the same as they would any other rabbi. They must have known that what He was saying was special because of the miracles they witnessed, and the authority with which He taught. Most people who heard Him did not know that He was the Son of God. They would have seen him as another prophet.

You seem to indicate that not all Words of God are reliable. Prophetic words in the bible were always accurate. Why would they be any different now? When and where are we told that Words of God are subjective?

I did not say that the Word of God was not reliable. What I am saying is that in the New Testament context, what the Holy Spirit says to our spirit is totally accurate, but the translation between our spirit and our mind can often be difficult and the delivery of the word may be flawed. This is why Paul taught that prophecy had to be judged by others experienced in the prophetic.

The reason why the prophetic words in the Bible were accurate is that somehow the voice of God came quite clearly to the OT prophets. The book of Hebrews says that in times past God spoke through His prophets. This clearly shows that God spoke directly through the OT prophets. But in New Testament times, God does not speak directly in the same way through the gift of of prophecy. NT prophecy is for a different purpose. I have covered this comprehensively in previous posts, and I think that you should go back and read them to see more of what I believe about prophecy.

Can you show me an example in scripture where someone receiving a word of God was private? Could you show me where the validity of a word of God was determined by a person's feelings?

I have already addressed the 'feelings' issue. You will notice that the words I give for people are on the public threads for all to read and judge. So my prophecies are not private, unless a person PMs me that specifically asks for a word there. I then ask them to print the prophecy out and show it to their pastor to have it judged and confirmed that it is in harmony with God's Word.

Can you provide a biblical reference? Most that I have come across say that a prophet must always be accurate. Did that change somewhere that I'm not aware of?

No, I am not going to show you any biblical references. As I have said before, it is the person receiving the prophecy who determines whether it is accurate and appropriate, or whether it should be safely ignored. The Holy Spirit works in a different way in the New Covenant than He did in the Old Covenant. A person in the office of prophet in the OT had to be accurate. This was a requirement of the office. There is plenty of teaching on that in the OT.

The Holy Spirit works in a more personal way in the NT. The difference is that the Holy Spirit indwells NT believers, so they can have an internal witness about the accuracy of a prophecy given to them. OT people did not have that because they were spiritually dead. They did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. If you are going to have an issue about people being spiritually dead, just stop and think about what makes people spiritually alive - faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Therefore, if Jesus was not crucified for their sins yet, nor had He risen from the dead, there was no way they could be made alive in their spirit. This is why they had to have all the external rituals and sacrifices to keep them okay with God. That is why I say they were spiritually dead, as was all people until Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to the church on the Day of Pentecost.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 12, 2007

ahmunmun said:
I am also requesting that you guys pray with me that God will bring that prophecy to pass, despite how impossible it is, or if the prophecy is wrong or has been cancelled, that He tells me loud and clear and ensures that I have heard.

Until I hear an answer from God, I'm pretty much stuck in my state of confusion.

I need to go back and read that prophecy. Would you mind giving me a link back to it? Or you could PM it to me. It may be that we need to revisit it in the light of your present circumstances.

Hisgirl · Sep 12, 2007

spiritlead said:
You have been experiencing tremendous blessing in the promised land, oh daughter of the King, and He is truly ruling and reigning inside your heart, and He would say unto you this day, Ask, and it shall be given to you, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened. For I have been faithful unto you and i will continue to be faithful in all situation and circumstance. Trust me, stand still, be at peace and rest in me, and you shall surely see my salvation. For surely I AM beautiful for every situation.

Are their young adults involved in this situation, Hisgirl?

For surely I AM beautiful for every situation.
Is that an amazing quote or what? What you said confirms what I've been hearing. One particular situation, God has been telling me to ask for SPECIFICALLY what I want down to the tiniest detail and whoa nellie have I ever hestitated! So thank you for that confirmation.

As for young people being involved....yes, there is one situation where I have been pondering something that does involve young people. Are you inclined to add to what you first said?

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