Prophetic practice thread

BellaSong · Sep 7, 2007

knownbeforetime said:
Anything for me?

When I came across your request I got the image of you stuck inside four concrete walls and you are trying to get out of them so you are pushing and pushing and pushing on them to try and move them to no avail.

Does this resonate with you? I just got the image out of nowhere so I think that it is for you. If this does resonate with your soul, then call out to Jesus and He will help you take down those walls. He will not break them down because they would crush you, but He will slowly remove them piece by piece and give you tools to help remove them so that you become stronger in the process of breaking through.

Again, this was just the image I got and the interpretation that I sensed. Please pray about it and test it against the Word of God.

Stpatterk · Sep 7, 2007

From Glory to Glory said:
I would love a prophetic word, if anyone receives one for me from the Lord.

Blessings,

Pam

I have never forgotten you nor have I ever abandoned you. When I promised you that I would never leave you nor forsake you, this was My word for you.

Take My word and allow it to take residence in your heart and as you do, you find yourself in the perfect center of My will for you. You will not stand disappointed and before you call, I will answer.

Take My word My child in the same way Peter stepped out the boat and walked on water. Was He Spirit filled? Not at the time but it was that faith resting on My word that caused him to walk. When you hide My word in the deepest recesses of your heart, it will spring out as rivers of living water and you will speak life into the very ears that hear you. As you do this, I will teach you many new things that I want others to learn through you as I pour forth of My spirit into your innermost being.

BellaSong · Sep 7, 2007

Stpatterk, hear anything for me?

Stpatterk · Sep 7, 2007

BellaSong said:
Stpatterk, hear anything for me?

I will multiply you a hundred fold because you have given yourself to Me ceaselessly. Even when you thought you were disobeying Me, I had already commanded you. For this, you will not lose your reward.

I AM placing you in a new position that you once thought was impossible and neither did you dare think of the purpose and the plans I have for you. Because of your love for Me and My children, I AM going to cause you bring great joy into the kingdom for My glory.

I know you love Me and as you delight yourself in Me, I will give you all the desires of your heart that you once thought were impossible to achieve. This is My will for you My love. You are the apple of My eye. No harm will come to you nor those who are close to you.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 7, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
Is this God speaking?

(From Webster Dictionary) Guess what word this definition belongs to:

1 a: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b: the act of claiming the attributes of deity2: irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable

And I think your a razors edge away from crossing that line.

Because the prophecy was not directed to you, but to someone else at their request, then they are the first to determine whether it is a word from God for them.

You are in no position to judge any more than a person standing at the altar beside another person who is receiving a personal prophecy. You would not go to the microphone in your church and ask whether these prophecies are of God because you would be seen as arrogantly interfering in another person being ministered to.

It is the same on this forum. You need to have respect for the person giving and the person receiving a prophecy.

In that light I would say for you to look to yourself as to whether you are grieving the Holy Spirit by commenting on things that you have no right to.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 7, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
This has happened several times now. A post will ask "anything for me?". Is this biblical? I mean, is asking another individual "does God have anything to tell me" biblical? To me, this is borderline religious mysticism. It seems to me this is almost treating God like He's a genie in a bottle or it's using someone else as some type of fortune teller. Or, worse, it's making Him out to be like the game "press your luck". No whammie, no whammie, no whammie....and stop! I've noticed that nobody ever gets any bad news though. Maybe it's "press your luck" without the whammies.

Hey, just trying to throw in some humor, no offense intended. Seriously, it seems like religious mysticism. It also seems that when God is "speaking" through some of you guys, He never says anything that might make someone uncomfortable. He never says anything to anyone along the lines of "pull your act together" or "stop your misconduct". Why is that?

Respect those who believe in this ministry. Don't railroad your personal beliefs onto here and expect others to accept them.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 7, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
I'm not trying to tick anyone off and I mean no disrespect to anyone. My questions were meant in all seriousness. Why does nobody else ask "is this really God"? I'm not passing judgement, I'm just making observations and asking the questions. Anyone can feel free to jump in and give their opinions, but nobody else ever asks the tough questions. Why don't they? Does everyone read this and just say "praise God"? Why doesn't anyone read this and go "hey wait a second"?

The way your post was typed makes it read as if God Himself is typing. How do I know that was directly from God? Please don't just say it's a mystery of heaven or something. Thomas wanted to see the scars. I want to know how I know this was God speaking.

I need to remind you that this is a ministry thread and not a debating one. You have made your point in two previous posts. If you don't believe in what is happening here, go and open up your own thread and express your views there.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 7, 2007

Criada said:
Thing is, it's hard to judge the prophecy if you are not the person to whom it is addressed. I can say that Stpatterk's post was in line with scripture, and was edifying. Whether it was a prophetic, rhema word can only really be judged by Knownbeforetime, since none of us know her precise circumstances. So perhaps we should wait for her opinion.
God bless you.

I fully agree. A prophecy may appear to be generic to many other people on the thread reading it, but when the Holy Spirit uses it to speak to the person who asked for it, He is able to apply it in a special way that is not perceived by others.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 7, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
Hey, no problem. This is sometimes how things are worked out.

It concerns me becuase I do happen to care about others. I don't want to see sombody just accept any old thing that comes their way because it makes them feel good or whatever reason. When somebody is claiming to be speaking in the place of God, as the particular post I'm refering to reads, I become concerned. This is a serious claim and everyone just seems content to ignore it instead of stopping for a second and asking the tough questions. How does anyone know this is from God?

Where's Mr. Oscar? I would be interested in his opinion if he's around.

You have it. Loud and clear.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 7, 2007

*Soulwings* said:
I realize this is not a debate thread, and so I will not continuously bring this up, but this post did catch my attention. With all due respect, I would like to ask some questions . I hope you don't mind that I snipped out some bits to make the post smaller .

Thank you for asking these questions. In order to answer them, I need to share with you how I think that the voice of God operates in a New Testament Christian.

I don't know how it used to operate in the OT prophets. Perhaps they heard the voice of God in a clearer way, so that their prophecies were more authoritative. For the Jews, the voice of the prophet was as the voice of God to them. This is why the prophecies are included in Holy Scripture. In these prophecies, God was speaking directly to the nation, attempting to bring them back into line with Him.

In the NT however, the nature of prophecy changed. In the book of Hebrews it says that in olden times God spoke through his prophets, but in these last days He speaks through His Son. When the Holy Spirit came and indwelt believers on the Day of Pentecost, a whole new way of moving in the Spirit happened. Along with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, there were gifts and abilities, including the Holy Spirit gift of prophecy. This was quite different in nature to OT prophecy, mainly because it did not carry the full authority of the Lord in the way the OT prophecy did. This is why Paul taught that when NT prophecies were given, other people experienced in the gift needed to judge and evaluate them and give correction where necessary. The OT prophecies did not have this requirement. The prophet had God's authority in his own right, and he was recognised as the voice of God to the nation.

Of course, if you read the OT, you will see that there were other prophets (of Baal) who were false; and there was a place when King Ahab was going out to war that God put a lying spirit in the mouths of his 400 prophets. There was only one prophet who could speak the word of God at that time.

So here is how I think the voice of God comes to a person:

God is a spirit, and He communicates spirit to spirit with us. This did not happen in the OT because no one in the OT had a spirit that was alive to God. This only happened on the Day of Pentecost. God spoke to the OT prophets in a different way.

When God speaks to our spirit, it is in the language of the spirit. If we use the example of a computer being on the internet. The computer speaks in digital language, and to get the information through the phone line it needs to go through a modem so that the signal can be converted to sound tones that can go through a phone line. Another modem at the other end converts the sound tones back into digital so that the computer at that end can understand it.

So it is with us. God speaks to our spirit, and our mind then has to interpret what has been received. We get a sense of what God is saying, but we have to wait until our mind can put it into words or mental images. Sometimes it is difficult to put into words what we have received, and sometimes we can misinterpret the message. The transfer between our spirit and our mind is not always direct. This is why we sometimes sense that God has spoken to us, but we struggle to get a line on what He is actually saying. This is why sometimes we have to get into a quiet place until we get a clear idea of what we think He is saying.

Then once we are able to interpret what our spirit has received from the Lord, we then have to use our faith and give the message to the person desiring the prophecy, or to the group the prophecy is directed to. Because of the imperfect nature of the interpretation between spirit and mind, others experienced in the prophetic need to be there to monitor what is being said to ensure that what is said is in line with Scripture and the recognised plans and purposes of God.

Because the voice of God is a still, small voice, we sometimes have to listen very carefully; and many times we know that something is going on in our spirit, but we are not quite sure how to put it into words. This is where our faith comes in - and our obedience.

This is why it is unwise to use the first person in prophecy to give the impression that God is speaking directly. It is better to say "I have received something, and I am not sure whether it is God saying it, but I will pass it on to you anyway, because I want to be obedient to the promptings of the Spirit." It is then up to the experienced ones in the group to say yea or nay; or it is up to the person receiving a personal prophecy to say whether he or she thinks it is the Spirit speaking to him or her.

For a person not receiving a prophecy to say "Is God speaking?" it is a useless question because he would not have the faintest idea if the prophecy is not directed to him. It is up to the person receiving the prophecy to make that determination. If the receiver is not sure, then the prophecy should be taped or written down and given to an experienced person to see if it "could' be the voice of God. Not even an experienced person can say definitely whether a personal prophecy for someone else is, or is not a word from the Spirit for that person, but he can say whether it generally fits in with the Scripture and the nature and character of God.

So this is why I take the line that I take in the prophetic. It is all on the basis of faith, stemming from a good knowledge of Scripture and plenty of time in personal fellowship with God to raise your awareness level of the voice of God.

In the prophetic it is always best to be obedient to a prompting, even if you are not sure. You are allowed to say you are not sure, but when you give the word you are being obedient and using your faith. There is always someone waiting on the other end of your obedience, and if you held back because you were not sure, then that person could miss out on an important blessing.

It is also interesting that when people start stepping out in the prophetic, there are others who come on this thread and try to cast doubts on it. "Is God speaking through this prophecy" from a person who is doubting whether prophecies on this forum are appropriate, to me is the same as Satan saying to Eve: "Has God said?"

Satan does not want the prophetic to flow on this forum because there are thousands of people who read them, and could be blessed by the words that come forth. He also does not want new people to get free in the prophetic and start to give prophecies. Therefore, all he has to do to quench people's faith and make them doubt is to post material that makes them worried that God is not speaking through them.

In my experience on this forum, the devil has always come in and disrupted prophecy threads through debate and unbelieving posts. Look what happened to the Prophetic Ministry thread. When it looked like it was going to really take off with a good team of good people launching out into the prophetic, along comes a whole lot of nasty debaters who caused the whole forum to be closed.

Believe this: the devil hates the prophetic and will do all he can to disrupt it; and his usual tactic is to ask the question through those he uses: "Has God really said this?

RMDY · Sep 7, 2007

Heartland · Sep 7, 2007

Stpatterk said:
I will show you how I do my heart surgeries My love. It is with precision as My word is sharper than a double edged sword. When I speak to My children, My word goes into the deepest recessess of their being.

The spirit of man is precious to Me as this is where I deposit My oil. For this reason there is that need for the seperation of soul and spirit. When this begins to occur, the soul will cry out for mercy because it knows that once the seperation has occured, it will finds its place as a servant.

For this reason, it is necessary for My children to pick their cross each day and follow after me. The soul must die that the spirit may live. When I use My children, it is their spirit that communes with Me. Remember I told you that the Father seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth?

My word is truth and as I pour forth out of My spirit, the spirit man gains or profits from it because it will not return to Me void but accomplish the very thing I have desired of it. You My child I have prepared that I may use you as I will that the body may be edified and built up to a mature man. Will you take your gift and use it for My glory? Yes, you will because I designed you to operate in My will.

Don't be discouraged by what I'm about to say, but this didn't "leap off the page to me" like one might expect. There were a couple things about it though that were right on, and the overall message is definately correct. I think that the "first person singular" nature of the way this was written put me off right from the start. If that's the case, then it's my problem, not yours. Be greatly blessed today.

millerrod · Sep 7, 2007

To post # 846

Yekcidmij · Sep 7, 2007

Oscarr said:
Because the prophecy was not directed to you, but to someone else at their request, then they are the first to determine whether it is a word from God for them.

Hey, as always, I appreciate your responses weather it seems that way or not. It's not my intent to debate either, I'm just trying to clear the fog, maybe for myself if nobody else. My motivation for my questions is not to be argumentative, but it's concern that fellow christians might chase after something false and end up becoming discouraged, disappointed, disillusioned, or wost of all, fall away from the faith completely.

You may have shown me before, but can you point me to some verse(s) that show that a prophecy should be judged by the individual receiving it? I ask because on the surface, it seems that this way of judging a prophecy is based on what the other person feels, which may be correct, but feelings are fickle and could also be misleading. Ex: If I feel or think the prophecy is for me, then it must be from God. I don't that logically follows. So, if there are some verses to support this way of judging prophecy, that would be much help..at least to me if nobody else.

You are in no position to judge any more than a person standing at the altar beside another person who is receiving a personal prophecy. You would not go to the microphone in your church and ask whether these prophecies are of God because you would be seen as arrogantly interfering in another person being ministered to.

I think it depends. If someone's prophecies are contradicting what is written in scripture (I haven't seen any content on this thread out of line from scripture), then I believe all of us are in position to recognize the prophecy as false and judge it as false by at least ignoring it at least, and at most tell the person who did it that he/she is wrong. I do hesitate judging prophecy that isn't out of line with the bible though, because as you said, who am I to know if it's really from God? So instead, I just ask for some proof, becuse I don't know if it's from God, and I don't think it's prudent to just believe everyone who claims a word from the Lord. Also, maybe it would be best to go to the microphone sometimes?

In that light I would say for you to look to yourself as to whether you are grieving the Holy Spirit by commenting on things that you have no right to.

I try not to look to myself for too many answers, I'm just a fallen but redeemed guy who is trying to make sense of what's going on around me. I do think I have the right to comment becuase if the prophecies are false, then there is no Holy Spirit there to greive, and that's what I'm trying to figure out. If I knew the prophecy was true, and I continued to be a jerk, then I would grieving the Spirit.

On the side: if I was grieving the Spirit, why has He not made that clear to me through some of the posts on here? I don't think I'm grieving the Spirit if I'm asking for clarity and commenting appropiately when no clarity is given. But I could be wrong, I just won't know it until proven so.

Respect those who believe in this ministry. Don't railroad your personal beliefs onto here and expect others to accept them.

I try to respect everyone and apologize if I came across in a different way. By this statement, you have made it appear that my personal beleifs are incorrect. This is the whole purpose of my questioning things here. I want to be in line with the Truth and not just my personal beliefs.

That being said, I wasn't trying to derail the thread, though I think it kinda evolved into that. And I don't expect anyone to accept what I say just because I say it or just becuase I believe it. I would rather people consider my questions and points and decide accordingly. If you find my questions and points completely baseless, great, disregard them. If you think there may be some merit to them, then at least check it out; I may be wrong as I'm far from perfect. I do appreciate replies none the less as I try to reach an understanding on things.

I'll try to keep my posts on this tread to a minimum though since I think that was a point you were trying to make.

Have a good one.

Heartland · Sep 7, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
Hey, as always, I appreciate your responses weather it seems that way or not. It's not my intent to debate either, I'm just trying to clear the fog, maybe for myself if nobody else. My motivation for my questions is not to be argumentative, but it's concern that fellow christians might chase after something false and end up becoming discouraged, disappointed, disillusioned, or wost of all, fall away from the faith completely.

You may have shown me before, but can you point me to some verse(s) that show that a prophecy should be judged by the individual receiving it? I ask because on the surface, it seems that this way of judging a prophecy is based on what the other person feels, which may be correct, but feelings are fickle and could also be misleading. Ex: If I feel or think the prophecy is for me, then it must be from God. I don't that logically follows. So, if there are some verses to support this way of judging prophecy, that would be much help..at least to me if nobody else.

I think it depends. If someone's prophecies are contradicting what is written in scripture (I haven't seen any content on this thread out of line from scripture), then I believe all of us are in position to recognize the prophecy as false and judge it as false by at least ignoring it at least, and at most tell the person who did it that he/she is wrong. I do hesitate judging prophecy that isn't out of line with the bible though, because as you said, who am I to know if it's really from God? So instead, I just ask for some proof, becuse I don't know if it's from God, and I don't think it's prudent to just believe everyone who claims a word from the Lord. Also, maybe it would be best to go to the microphone sometimes?

I try not to look to myself for too many answers, I'm just a fallen but redeemed guy who is trying to make sense of what's going on around me.

I try to respect everyone and apologize if I came across in a different way. By this statement, you have made it appear that my personal beleifs are incorrect. This is the whole purpose of my questioning things here. I want to be in line with the Truth and not just my personal beliefs.

That being said, I wasn't trying to derail the thread, though I think it kinda evolved into that. And I don't expect anyone to accept what I say just because I say it or just becuase I believe it. I would rather people consider my questions and points and decide accordingly. If you find my questions and points completely baseless, great, disregard them. If you think there may be some merit to them, then at least check it out; I may be wrong as I'm far from perfect. I do appreciate replies none the less as I try to reach an understanding on things.

I'll try to keep my posts on this tread to a minimum though since I think that was a point you were trying to make.

Have a good one.

I just wanted to commend you for the tone of this post. You may be more prophetic than you think.

RMDY · Sep 7, 2007

I would love to receive words of prophecy about me for edification and exhortation.

knownbeforetime · Sep 7, 2007

BellaSong said:
Does this resonate with you?

Heck yes!

Hey, Spirirlead, you had a word for me?

spiritlead · Sep 7, 2007

knownbeforetime said:
Heck yes!

Hey, Spirirlead, you had a word for me?

As you press in to the high calling that God has on your life and the prayer ministry that he is developing in you, and you spend quality alone time with Jesus, He is oh so gonna satisfy your soul, He is going lead you beside still waters, and your inner person is going to be refreshed like never before.

Out of this rich inner peace and satisfaction is going to come abundant blessings in the natural, everything you do is going to prosper

Read and meditate on: Psalm 23 & Deut 28

Blessings oh daughter of the Most High, be filled with Him this day to overflowing!!!

RMDY · Sep 7, 2007

Does anyone have any prophetic word for me?

spiritlead · Sep 7, 2007

JohnChapter14 said:
Does anyone have any prophetic word for me?

Let me know if this is confirmation to you John14, what keeps coming to me concerning you is the gift of miracles, also evangelism, preaching and teaching the Word, also flowing in the word of wisdom and counsel, study to show yourself approved unto God, rightly dividing the truth.

You are a man of God that will move in power and the miraculous, touching many Glory to Jesus!!

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