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By comparing accounts of the same discourse, we have Luke citing "jerusalem surrounded by armies" as the AoD, signaling that THEN, those in Judea should Flee.
Actually, it is you who are isolating Matt 24:15 and not taking into account other criteria, specifically PARALLEL passages.
1) Scripture does not indicate that he needs to emerge, as in 'be obvious to the whole population,' imo. 2) indicates to me that this is also being taken (possibly way too) literally; a spiritual temple may already be erected? 3) this further reinforces a literal view. Would you co-equate the Israel mentioned in the Revelation with the zionist 'Israel' we have today? Why do this, if Scripture is about the spiritual, and that Israel may only be a temporal one? Do you think 1948 and 'fig tree budding again' are the same? I used to; but no longer.
"There is nothing new under the sun?" People have been looking for Armageddon since Christ walked the earth. The end of the world is always 6 months away?
Wow, this thread has been busy! Pardon if i redux here; from pg 1:1) Scripture does not indicate that he needs to emerge, as in 'be obvious to the whole population,' imo. 2) indicates to me that this is also being taken (possibly way too) literally; a spiritual temple may already be erected? 3) this further reinforces a literal view. Would you co-equate the Israel mentioned in the Revelation with the zionist 'Israel' we have today? Why do this, if Scripture is about the spiritual, and that Israel may only be a temporal one? Do you think 1948 and 'fig tree budding again' are the same? I used to; but no longer.
"There is nothing new under the sun?" People have been looking for Armageddon since Christ walked the earth. The end of the world is always 6 months away?
Hmm; this seems to indicate that 'the world's armies' will be carrying guns, physical armies? satan is going to try to defeat God with guns? The reason i hate this is because it lulls people to sleep spiritually. Please understand that i cannot refute this; it might even be true--but i used to believe this, and seriously doubt it now. My evidence is that everyone got Christ's first coming wrong, despite much prophecy there; and I'm pretty sure that the prevailing opinion (this one) must follow the same route.
1) Nothing wrong with that--i still do, too, as the spiritual parts end up becoming literal, in hindsight. I have only abandoned literal interpretations where i feel that i have been shown a more accurate spiritual one. 2) OT, sure--you don't mean to apply this to today tho, correct? 3) i don't mean to imply that they aren't supposed to be there; but that God may be 'allowing' it, if you get me. 4) Amen, nice. Highlights the dichotomy in many of our definitions, imo; is Israel the government, or the people? Or both? Perhaps not strangely, the Isralites of today feel as divorced from their Gov as many or most Americans do from theirs...and all of the 'broken branches' refs that i can think of indicate 'cast into the fire.' Do you have one in the spirit you are indicating? Ty!
