I have read Eph 3. Maybe you should read the end of Rom 16 that Interplanner refers to in his post. If the mystery is in Is 65 or Hos 2 then you are calling Paul a liar.
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I have read Eph 3. Maybe you should read the end of Rom 16 that Interplanner refers to in his post. If the mystery is in Is 65 or Hos 2 then you are calling Paul a liar.Read Isaiah 65 or Hosea 2.
Paul tells you "the mystery" is the gospel going to the Gentiles. Read Ephesians 3!
However nothing is making the point you want to make...NOTHING!
I don't blame you for now ignoring Rom 16:25-27 where Paul clearly states that the mystery is not in the OT. If it is not in the OT how can the NT refer to it as you claimed?thanks Rat for saying something that had some content to it rather than the usual put down. But no, Paul is saying in all 3 of these places (Eph 3, Col 1) that it was there all the time, just not the way it would happen. It happened in Christ, and happens through faith in him. That is what throws the question of the future into dissarray, because Paul is saying things can now, in Christ and the preaching of him (they are paired up in Rom 16), fulfill what the OT was saying.
At the same time, there isn't much of anything in the future Paul looks for in this department. It has no Judaic details, that's for sure. But there are general features of the 2nd coming.
If you will reread the Stott quote that I reposted today, you'll see the most obvious question about the mystery that was no longer a mystery. He says they knew God was going to reach the Gentiles; they knew it from the very first promise to Abraham. But the way it came about, or the means, or the vehicle, or the mechanism--faith in Christ--that was total surprise.
Israel/Judaism did have some missionaries at the time of Christ, and he didn't think much of them, says Mt 23.
You're being evasive...or you really didn't read Ephesians 3 so I'll just lay it out:I have read Eph 3. Maybe you should read the end of Rom 16 that Interplanner refers to in his post. If the mystery is in Is 65 or Hos 2 then you are calling Paul a liar.
It seems you have a great difficulty with Isaiah 11!!! because the 10 verses above that proves the is when Christ came. Look at Isaiah 11:1, 2:
Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.
So what we have here is the coming of Christ!!! Now...Isaiah 11:10 shows why your interpretation has problems:
10 Then in that day The nations will resort to the root of Jesse, Who will stand as a signal for the peoples; And His resting place will be glorious.
This is why you have a huge problem "The nations" are Gentiles coming to Christ!!!
Now I will direct you to Acts 2 at Pentecost for the rest...as Peter preaches the gospel to Jews from all over the world!
You can't just pull this out of thin air and call it 1948, You have absolutely ZERO support for this conclusion. The ensign is a flag or signal! The ONLY flag to the nations is Christ...NOT ISRAEL. Through the gospel this finds it's roots in the Hebrew "Jehovah Nissi" which is The Lord my banner (or flag). This is what Jesus is to ALL peoples. However most important is...this is the going forth of the gospel!!!
Did you know this is Romans 15:12, where the apostle Paul makes the connection to this pasage?
So you won't mind me cutting out your flag out?
xXChristPeripheralXx said in post 106:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
You're being evasive...or you really didn't read Ephesians 3 so I'll just lay it out:
Ephesians 3:1-7
For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you;
3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.
4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,
5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
7 of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power.
So Paul just told you "TO BE SPECIFIC" what the mystery of Christ is. You are simply refusing to accept it.
Romans 16 doesn't make the point. Romans 9 does...where Paul quotes Hosea 2 and Isaiah 10.
You're just not making sense. Paul uses the OT and the NT to make his point. Your rule...is void. Mainly because you're making the mistake of looking at this in our time...when you should actually be looking at this through Paul's time. It's NOT a mystery to us because we have the full revelation of God's word in the scriptures. In Paul's time (as he writes), it's not.
The main thing Paul fights against is the Jews not understanding how Gentiles are included and do not have to heed the Law...so it is indeed a mystery to them and also to Gentiles who are aware that Jews view them as unclean.
xXChristPeripheralXx said in post 126:
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery (EBEDMELECH), lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
One of the meanings of the original Greek word ("e", G2228) translated as "or" in Revelation 13:17 is "either" (1 Corinthians 14:6). The second "or" in Revelation 13:17 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) should be read as "either": "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark: either the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (cf. also the NIV). Revelation 14:11 subsequently refers synecdochically to just the first of the two options: "the mark of his name". And Revelation 15:2 refers synecdochically to just the second option: the mark of the number of his name (in the original Greek Textus Receptus of Revelation 15:2, there's no "and" between "over his mark" and "over the number of his name").
The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people, so they can easily tell in every situation, even one without electricity, whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will be visible also because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma, G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (i.e. the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what had just been shown previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they are loyal worshippers of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Luciferians today put a mark on themselves by scarification.
The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hand of some people and on the forehead of other people.
Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark won't be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17), and they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image, for those people who agree to do these things, even if they are Christians, will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), whereas those Christians who refuse to do these things, even though they will be beheaded, will subsequently be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient church of all times) at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death, their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).
In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palm (cf. also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their forehead, thinking (mistakenly) that they are fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one to cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus returned. (But he won't say that he's Christ, for he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7.)
Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people, it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the 6th letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it's transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.
In an awful coincidence (or maybe it's not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will employ to burn up the cities of the world at the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16,17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?
The "WWW" which has been placed on many web addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (i.e. they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Lucifer will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist placing his "brand" on everything, like a rancher places his "brand" on all his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 isn't fulfilled by some web addresses having "WWW", nor by some products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes, for Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.
Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism. The Antichrist will be both a Luciferian, a worshipper of Lucifer/Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist won't pretend that he's YHWH, just as he won't pretend that he's Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being the Christ.
When Paul says "until the fulness (pleroma) of the Gentiles be come in" (Romans 11:25), he means until a full number of genetic Gentile individuals have become saved, which won't happen until near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Romans 11:26), just as Luke 21:24 shows that "the times of the Gentiles" won't be "fulfilled (pleroo)" until the completion of the treading down of Jerusalem during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 11:2b, Revelation 13:5-18) during the 2nd half of the tribulation.
Immediately after the tribulation, at Jesus' 2nd coming (Matthew 24:29-30), all the still-living unsaved elect genetic Jews will become saved (Romans 11:26-28) by God's grace when they see the returned Jesus in person and believe in him (Zechariah 12:10-14). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, just as when genetic Jews believe in Jesus now they become part of the church, for there are now no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).
And the genetic Jews who will become believers at the 2nd coming will all become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit, who is "the spirit of grace and of supplications" in Zechariah 12:10 (Hebrews 10:29c, Romans 8:26), just as genetic Jewish believers today become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit. For it's by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit that both genetic Jewish believers and genetic Gentile believers become part of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13).
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. (Every Christian on earth)
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:for the time is at hand.
Thank God for those who are sharing the truth of current events, we certainly draw near to the completion of things of this earth.
He more recently revealed much of what you present, in particular what is the photo with the bright streak crossing the sky? Is that a missle somewhere?
That was one of the meteors that ripped through our atmosphere and continued back through into space..
The fireballs have been reported everywhere lately..
"Signs in the Heavens"
For the first time we have a ton of celestial events happening at the same time..
Somethings going on thats for sure..
something... almost seems as if the whole country is going to implode while everything around Israel explodes.
Knew is wasn't a missle, do you know where it was?
and the great dragon was cast forth--the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world--he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him. And I heard a great voice saying in the heaven, `Now did come the salvation, and the power, and the reign, of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because cast down was the accuser of our brethren, who is accusing them before our God day and night; and they did overcome him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life--unto death;
(Rev 12:9-11)
There have been sightings...
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