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God's words
So, can me and you establish synchronicity in our views, that the Mark of the Beast, is the opposite of the Mark of God, or Jesus Christ?
And if that is indeed the case, can we both assume the Mark of the Beast is not a literal "Mark" but a false Christ testimony, and by that I mean people who are preaching an antichrist spirited doctrine of devils?
You got the right concept about this beast, IMO
Yes. However on what else your saying I hold to how John identifies Antichrist in 1 John 4. Antichrist is many things operative then...and today.So, can me and you establish synchronicity in our views, that the Mark of the Beast, is the opposite of the Mark of God, or Jesus Christ?
And if that is indeed the case, can we both assume the Mark of the Beast is not a literal "Mark" but a false Christ testimony, and by that I mean people who are preaching an antichrist spirited doctrine of devils?
It wasnt me, he brought me to discernment by bringing to light understanding of what the Mark of God really is.
This is my most favored way of learning..
Yes. However on what else your saying I hold to how John identifies Antichrist in 1 John 4. Antichrist is many things operative then...and today.
I see, and I agree and use a method in the sense of examining the opposites or what appears to be lies and I can usually find the truth and in context. The evil is our other witness in contrast, and when I want to better identify the truth I look for counterfeiting and that usually resembles the authentic very closely. I find great hints in my own life's learning experience of trial and errors, and some victories,Thanks
Yes. However on what else your saying I hold to how John identifies Antichrist in 1 John 4. Antichrist is many things operative then...and today.
But that passage indicated the first time was bringing them back from Egypt in the exodus; see the last verses of it.
There are many banner verses that are about Christ. The OT scriptures are intended to reveal Christ so the nations will believe, says Rom 16's wrap.
The lasts verses of Is 11 are saying the 1st gathering was the exodus. No other restoration is refered to! Therefore the 2nd would be the return from exile in Babylon (Mt 1:17). do you ever read the whole context or do you just grab soundbytes like B2?
11:9 sounds like Jer 23-33 in how expansive the knowledge of God will be in the era of the new covenant. There are other "banner" passages in Isaiah, but the thing you should know is that the Gospel keeps breaking in as the next event of such moment for Israel, and it is meant to eventually reach the nations to save them. the 2nd half of Isaiah is extraordinary that way; from ch 40 on. I know it is not a small suggestion but our science as handlers of the Bible is to know the patterns of the 2500 uses of the OT by the NT.
For starters, you might check the multi thread I did here on Rom 9-16 and how the OT is used there. Prob 30 uses in those few chapters, and tells it all.
It seems you have a great difficulty with Isaiah 11!!! because the 10 verses above that proves the is when Christ came. Look at Isaiah 11:1, 2:Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
You can't just pull this out of thin air and call it 1948, You have absolutely ZERO support for this conclusion. The ensign is a flag or signal! The ONLY flag to the nations is Christ...NOT ISRAEL. Through the gospel this finds it's roots in the Hebrew "Jehovah Nissi" which is The Lord my banner (or flag). This is what Jesus is to ALL peoples. However most important is...this is the going forth of the gospel!!!Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. This happened in 1948.
That's ridiculous!!! Jesus did it several times!!! it is the NT that reveals the OT because much of the OT prophesies apply spiritually.The OT cannot be used by the NT for the revelation of the mystery ( Rom 16's finale) since the mystery revealed by Christ to Paul was not in the OT. It had been kept secret since the world began until Christ revealed it to Paul.
That's ridiculous!!! Jesus did it several times!!! it is the NT that reveals the OT because much of the OT prophesies apply spiritually.
Paul quotes more OT scripture than anyone. SO unless you mean to say this another way...that's not right.
The apostles were commisioned by Christ and he prepared them as Luke said in Luke 24:44-48:
44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
48 You are witnesses of these things.
49 And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
I don't know from where you get what you said!!! It certainly isn't said in the NT or the OT...no such rule exist!
Read Isaiah 65 or Hosea 2.Show me in the OT the "mystery".
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