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Prophecies/Predictions for 2010: Results

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Ooh, I just remembered.... my friends John and Greg were on this episode of Australia's religion show, "Compass" and then they bought up another 'interesting futurist'.

Compass: Apocalypse Now? (RPT) - ABC TV


Ron Weinland - The Fundamentalist
Pentecostal Minister
Yes we are living in the end time. However it isn’t like a lot of people interpret it, they believe it’s the end of the world. It’s not the end of the world, it’s just the end of a particular age for mankind.

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Ron Weinland is a fundamentalist Christian and Pentecostal preacher who regularly visits Australia.

He believes the end is almost upon us.

Ron Weinland
As far as prophecy is concerned beginning in mid April this year we begin a period of what is known as 1260 days, and that’s 3½ years. A lot of people refer to it as the 3½ year period of a great tribulation that’s going to be on this earth. And that’s exactly where we are in time.

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Ron lays out this timetable for our imminent destruction in his recent book, “2008: God’s Final Witness”,

His inspiration is the last and most controversial book in the Christian Bible, the Book of the Apocalypse, also known as the Book of Revelation.

Ron’s conviction that we’re at the end of 6000 years of human rule of the earth is based on evidence he’s drawn from the Bible.

He links numbers and prophecies in the Book of Revelation with current events that he believes herald the end times.

“And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days… These are the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth”.
(Revelation 11:3-4)


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Ron claims he’s one of two end-time prophets, or witnesses described in Chapter 11 of Revelation.

Ron Weinland
A few years ago God made it clear to me that I was a prophet. That time when he first began to reveal that to me I believed that I was a prophet by what’s referred to in Scripture as interpretationally, in other words being able to interpret prophesies and know the meaning. And there were a lot of things that began to be given concerning the end time.

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According to the Book of Revelation, when the world reaches its end, seven seals containing symbols of death and disaster will be opened; the very final cataclysm beginning when Jesus breaks open the seventh.

“When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them…Now the seven angels who had the seven trumpets made ready to blow them. The first angel blew his trumpet, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were hurled to the earth”. (Revelation 8:1-2,6-7)

Ron Weinland
Europe is prophesied to rise one last time…The sixth revival of the Holy Roman Empire was during the time of Mussolini and Hitler. This time they’re going to do exactly the same thing again but for different reasons. They’re not going to do it because there is a leader like Hitler. The world has changed a lot. And literally Germany is going to be at the head of this again, plus nine other nations. There will be ten nations that are prophesied to come together. And they are the ones that are going to begin World War Three.
This stuff is just embarrassing!

Weinland Watch

Ronald Weinland Changes and Delays, But Without Apology

According to his blog, "the final countdown has begun, as the 1335 days before the actual day Jesus Christ returns began on Tuesday, September 30, 2008.".[4] In a sermon given for April 18, 2008, he identified his wife Laura, as the other witness of Revelation 11[5] and called Pope Benedict XVI a "false prophet."[citation needed] Weinland has changed the prophesied date for the return of Christ to Pentecost of 2012 (May 27)[6] and recently began to ordain women in his church as elders.[7
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_God_Preparing_for_the_Kingdom_of_God

But I think it is important to include the real warning from John and Greg's concluding remarks on Compass.

John Dickson
The danger really is to their faith actually, because it turns out not to be true. And if you’ve pinned your Christian hopes not on Christ and the symbolic meaning of the Book of Revelation, but on the literal interpretation of it, you are bound to be disappointed because the book doesn’t mean those things. So my great fear for people like that is that they will throw the baby out with the bathwater and be left with no faith at all. That’s a great tragedy.

Greg Clarke
Stories about the end will always appeal to human beings and that is part of our psychology. What I hope people will do is sort out the truth from the fiction and recognise what we can understand from the bible about God’s view for this world and not tip over into paranoia or confusion or fear, which often has terrible social consequences.
 
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Ooh, I just remembered.... my friends John and Greg were on this episode of Australia's religion show, "Compass" and then they bought up another 'interesting futurist'.

Compass: Apocalypse Now? (RPT) - ABC TV


This stuff is just embarrassing!

Weinland Watch

Ronald Weinland Changes and Delays, But Without Apology

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Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I think it is important to include the real warning from John and Greg's concluding remarks on Compass.

Brother Ron Weigland believes he is Elijah or Enoch, and yet somehow he mixes our tradition with gnosticism, and in a book by his teacher( whose name slips my mind right now) this teacher proposes that we will become gods and create as the Father bwo Jesus has created. Other civilizations, other planets. We will be their gods.

Blasphemy!:doh:
 
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I just started - will add more when I see one with a date. Futurists need to keep their speculations in the Future - where they are safe.

I'd say brothers Daniel and John were quite safe predicting their visions would come to pass in the END!
 
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I've got a prediction; we're in the last days now and have been for 2000 years. Life will go on more or less as it is now, with persecution of Christians somewhere on earth, prejudice and discrimination in other parts, and then suddenly disaster will strike — like a thief in the night! Imagine that!

Oh, no dates sorry, that's why it is like a 'thief in the night'.
 
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I've got a prediction; we're in the last days now and have been for 2000 years. Life will go on more or less as it is now, with persecution of Christians somewhere on earth, prejudice and discrimination in other parts, and then suddenly disaster will strike — like a thief in the night! Imagine that!

Oh, no dates sorry, that's why it is like a 'thief in the night'.


So are you saying there is no specific "end times"? Is this how the world is going to continue forever?
 
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Praise the Lord Almighty!

I have been perusing this forum for nearly a week now, and have witnessed the debates going back and forth concerning when our Saviour will return. Codger - this one is for you, but it reverses your inquiry for someone to state a biblical event that has occurred within the last 62 years supporting a "futurist" belief.

I will do one better by the grace of God, which will not only identify such an event, but also inquire back at you when a 200 million man army ever crossed the dried Euphrates (making way for the Kings of the East). Maybe I missed something about the Romans sacking the temple in 70 AD with the assistance of a 200 million man army. Was there even an army that size around John's time of writing Revelation? I'll leave that for your "everything has already happened" response. My spirit is leaping with anticipation.
 
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So are you saying there is no specific "end times"? Is this how the world is going to continue forever?

We are in the Last Days right now and have been for 2000 years! According to Acts, Pentecost marks the beginning of the 'Last Days'.

Acts 2:17
17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

Paul also warned Timothy that in these 'last days' there would be religious hypocrites that Timothy should avoid. Timothy can't even *choose* to avoid them — but would do so automatically — if the 'last days' of 2 Tim 3:1-5 was actually 2000 years later!

Jesus warns all Christians that would follow him that they must count the cost, because we will also be carrying a cross. The world did not love him, and so it will not love us.

Basically, we've been living in the "Last Day's" for 2000 years. Everything is fulfilled, except the final return of our Lord on that great and terrible Last Day of Judgement when:

1. Both believers and unbelievers are raised
2. We are separated and either saved or judged at the one tremendous and terrifying event
3. Sin and Death and Satan are defeated and judged and banished forever and ever
4. The whole universe is upgraded as Christians go to our permanent home in the New Heavens and New Earth — whatever that actually looks like.

For more on the Last DAY, see this post. Cheers.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7520990-11/#post56471588
 
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Our Lord Lives!

The event that took place in my previous post is the drying up of the Euphrates to the extent that an army could conceivably make their way just as the Lord revealed. It is a great sign that God is showing us in our day (in advance) that the Euphrates can literally be crossed. I am not stating that a 200 million man army has crossed yet, but the Euphrates was dried to allow such an occurence in 2009. I could not post a link due to my only post so far. :)

May God bless you all!
 
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Praise the Lord Almighty!

I have been perusing this forum for nearly a week now, and have witnessed the debates going back and forth concerning when our Saviour will return. Codger - this one is for you, but it reverses your inquiry for someone to state a biblical event that has occurred within the last 62 years supporting a "futurist" belief.

I will do one better by the grace of God, which will not only identify such an event, but also inquire back at you when a 200 million man army ever crossed the dried Euphrates (making way for the Kings of the East). Maybe I missed something about the Romans sacking the temple in 70 AD with the assistance of a 200 million man army. Was there even an army that size around John's time of writing Revelation? I'll leave that for your "everything has already happened" response. My spirit is leaping with anticipation.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Can you please help me with where you get the 200 million man army? Thanks.
 
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Brother, if you are still not convinced, please consider this as more meat.

9:13 mentions the sixth angel sounding - that can be used for your reference point.

Now turn to Revelation 16:12 to get further revelation of this passage.

Once again, it is the sixth angel.

16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

In Christ's Love
 
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God is Apha and Omega, the First and the Last

Since we are in Revelation (the last), why not challenge the biblical scholarly with something from the beginning (first). Here is my next challenge to those that claim all has been fulfilled (happened in the past). Let's go to Genesis and reason one with another according to the Holy Word of God.

Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Either you believe God is a covenant breaker, or you can explain when Abram's seed has occupied ALL the land from the Nile River to the Euphrates at any past point in history. I don't think I fell asleep in any history classes, but not certain.

In Christ's Love
 
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God is not finished, and what He said He will do He will fulfill on His promises. Psalms 83, Ezekiel 38-39, etc... are the Holy One's Word. Damascus will be destroyed, Moab, Edom, Egypt, etc will incure the wrath as written. God does NOT figuratively refer to these events as some will lead you to believe. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked.

In Christ's Love
 
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Bless you brother and thank you for your kind welcome

Revelation 9:13-21

The key verse is 9:16

9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

In Christ's Love

OK, so here's some clues to the 200 million.

First, it does not say 200 million, not at all. It actually says something closer to the ESV rendering.

The number of mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number.
So what's going on here?

Well, we've got to remember what book this passage is in. Any book that says Jesus has 7 eyes and 7 horns and that there are 7 spirits of God and only 144 thousand people get into heaven, well, let's just say we have to be careful with numbers in this book! Numbers here often seem to be more about making a point than counting, like if I said I couldn't fit in any more Christmas pudding because I'd already had a "thousand turkey wings".

The Jews often used numbers like this, especially the number 1000. See below for more. However, 2 times ten thousand times itself again? That's just saying 'numbers beyond counting'. I doubt many scholars would read John as saying there were actually going to be 200 million cavalry riding into battle!

Also, the Parthians were an Empire down the Euphrates who were feared for their cavalry. It took Rome a long time to defeat them. They ran a few rebellions and wars against Rome during John's lifetime, and were well known for their war-horses! Here they are featuring in a Roman scenario computer game!

Read the description of these cavalry!
And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire[a] and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were(H) like lions’ heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. 18By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths. 19For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents with heads, and by means of them they wound.

It looks like John has described them as mixed with some of the demons that escaped from the pit. Overall this passage is about the spiritual torment of those who have not yet moved from Satan's kingdom to the safety of God's Kingdom, and part of that spiritual oppression is confusion and eternal vulnerability should war come. We are eternally safe, even if killed in some horrible war.
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Parthian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

***more on 1000 in the bible***

The number 1000 is not used literally in the bible. There ARE times when multiples of a thousand indicate an actual, 'close enough', literal number, such as when describing how many men went into battle or how many people they captured. This is clear from the specific context.

EG: 1 Chronicles 5:21
They seized the livestock of the Hagrites—fifty thousand camels, two hundred fifty thousand sheep and two thousand donkeys. They also took one hundred thousand people captive,

However these are usually in the multiples of 1000.

The USUAL usage of the actual symbol 1000 is anything but an actual number. It's like us saying 'about a gazillion' to modern ears. It's about exaggeration, not accuracy; it's about making a point, not counting.

Deuteronomy 32:30
How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?

Joshua 23:10
One of you routs a thousand, because the LORD your God fights for you, just as he promised.

Job 9:3
Though they wished to dispute with him, they could not answer him one time out of a thousand.

Job 33:23
Yet if there is an angel at their side, a messenger, one out of a thousand, sent to tell them how to be upright,

Psalm 50:10
for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.
(Are you REALLY going to read this literally and therefore conclude that God does not own the cattle on the gazillion other hills on planet earth?)

Psalm 84:10
Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere; I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked.

Ecclesiastes 7:28
while I was still searching but not finding— I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all.

Isaiah 30:17
A thousand will flee at the threat of one; at the threat of five you will all flee away, till you are left like a flagstaff on a mountaintop, like a banner on a hill.”

Ezekiel 47:5
He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross.

2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

If you have half an ounce of literary prowess, you'll see that 1000 means 'a really big round number' here, or in the case of 2 Peter 3, 'a really long time'. Both Peter and John are picking up on this Jewish number symbolism when they write 'a day is like a really long time' or 'they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a really long time'.
 
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Praise His Name Forever

God is not finished, and what He said He will do He will fulfill on His promises. Psalms 83, Ezekiel 38-39, etc... are the Holy One's Word. Damascus will be destroyed, Moab, Edom, Egypt, etc will incure the wrath as written. God does NOT figuratively refer to these events as some will lead you to believe. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked.

In Christ's Love

I have no intention of mocking God, neither do I have any intention of reading apocalyptic language literally, especially when the New Testament largely shows most OT prophecies to be fulfilled. Much of the language of war and battle and destruction is apocalyptic, and it WILL happen — on that Great Day of the Lord! That day will be unlike anything in history, worse for unbelievers than a thousand nuclear wars.

That day WILL destroy all these worldly cities. That day is judgement day, and it is the one triumphant return of the Lord.

These are the things I accept the New Testament says of the LAST DAY, and it is going to be huge!
1. Both believers and unbelievers are raised together (not 1000 years apart)
2. We are separated and either saved or judged at the one tremendous and terrifying event
3. Sin and Death and Satan are defeated and judged and banished forever and ever
4. The whole universe is upgraded as Christians go to our permanent home in the New Heavens and New Earth — whatever that actually looks like.

I share the verses that support all of this happening on the one day here.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7520990-11/#post56471588
 
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Yeah, riiiigghht. ;)

(Someone read through Revelation and let it become their guiding light for the rest of the NT, when the real situation should be exactly the reverse! ;))

Maybe I should do the RED EDIT here as well? Yep, OK, it's RED EDIT time.

Let's go through the rest of the NT and edit it in red to help Jesus and the apostles get it right hey?

First of all we have to edit that other book John wrote, you know, the gospel. John obviously didn't know what he was doing when he wrote the gospel, so let's edit a few verses there.

John 6:39
39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day —
which is actually 1000 years before the Last Day, I didn't really mean Last Day!' 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day....

John 11:24
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day — well 1000 years before the last day actually

John 12:48
48 There is a judge for those who reject me and do not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day — well 1000 years after all the Christian martyrs have come to life anyway. Depends what you mean by the "Last Day" doesn't it? ;)

John 5
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise 1000 years later to be condemned.

Matthew 25
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and 1000 years later the goats on his left.
(Except I don't know any shepherds that have taken 1000 years to separate their sheep from the goats?)

Matthew 13:24 is a REAL problem because it says:
"First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn."

No, no, I've got it! We can edit it like this...

"First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned 1000 years later; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn."

Luke 17
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then 1000 years later the flood came and destroyed them all.

8 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven 1000 years later and destroyed them all.

1 Cor 15
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet except the pagan dead who remain dead and can't hear the trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable -except the non-Christians-, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” Except we'll have mortal unbelievers living alongside resurrected Saints, so forget everything I just said in verse 50!

Luke 20:35
35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage,
except mortal unbelievers who must have babies or there will be no nations to rebel so that they can be judged after everyone else got judged 1000 years earlier — or something.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Except then we have to touch-down in Jerusalem to rule from there 1000 years and this wasn't really Judgement Day as my very next chapter might indicate. So don't worry about all that 1 Thess 5 'destruction' stuff OK?


2 Peter 3:3-10
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly....which is 1000 years after the 'First day of the Lord' when the Millennium starts', but not when the New Heavens and New Earth starts on the 'Actual Day of the Lord' because these events are on another timetable, it's complicated actually...
....10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare....
...13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells - except those of us who are looking forward to a Millennium before the New Heavens and New Earth. I said this 'Day of the Lord' bit was complicated.
 
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Dearest Brother in Christ

I have read in earnest your Parthian-Roman conflict explanation, but in sincerity of heart I must stand upon God's Word in rebuttal. Although the Parthian Empire remained a constant thorn in the side for the Roman Empire, the final Roman-Parthian war was recorded to be between 58-63 AD. Of course there still remained hostilities well beyond that date, but in the grandest of scales this final war stands out as to be the most significant event between the two empires. The earliest believed date of John's writing was 68 AD, and other scholars date it as late as 95 AD (still within the time of the warring factions but year's past the major battle). Two proofs need to be established in order for the Parthians to be the object of the divine inspiration given to John.

1) Euphrates in Revelation is said to be dried up to make way for the kings of the east. There is absolutely no evidence for that being the case during the warring conflict between these empires.

2) It would imply a strategic advantage for the nation east of the Euphrates, enabling them to destroy a third of the world's population at that time, in which you could force a figurative example into this to support your argument I suppose.

Neither of these events occurred.

Next, we need to look at the purpose of divine inspiration to John concerning the Parthian Empire. Of what benefit was it to the Christians being persecuted by Rome? Unless the Parthians were to overthrow the Christian oppressor there seems no logical reason but to give the churches the daily headlines - "Rome at war with Parthia". No benefit nor significance to God's children whatsoever.

I do agree completely with your statements concerning the use of numbers throughout scriptures; however I stand upon the written Word when it relates to such devastation that would be inflicted by a demon-led attack crossing a dry Euphrates. A literal 200 million man army is very realistic with the nation of China, and a full onslaught by an army of this size can wipe out a literal 1/3 of the world's population. If you research information concerning Afghanistan and the superhighway constructed that could accomodate a fast moving tank and military, the scenario becomes very much real and achievable.

Damascus -

“This message came to me concerning Damascus: ‘Look, Damascus will disappear! It will become a heap of ruins. The cities of Aroer will be deserted. Sheep will graze in the streets and lie down unafraid. There will be no one to chase them away. The fortified cities of Israel will also be destroyed, and the power of Damascus will end. The few left in Aram will share the fate of Israel’s departed glory,’ says the Lord Almighty.” Isaiah 17:1-3

This is not a last "final" day event, as it clearly states that sheep will graze in the street and lie down unafraid. This certainly implies a continuation of days with an utterly destroyed city.

It is not in malice, nor division of spirit, I debate you brother. It is a good thing to stay focused in God's Holy Word as it is what continues to sustain us. Sound reasoning and sharing of God's truth is a most worthy endeavor. I love you as a brother.

In Christ's Love
 
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are you really telling me you are going to abandon the plain reading of the rest of the New Testament on the Last Days because somewhere else in Revelation mentions the Euphrates is dried up, and it isn't mentioned as dried up in the particular Parthian battles we are discussing?

This is richly symbolic theological language, not event specific Current Affairs language. I doubt we are meant to believe a literal third of mankind died in this event, or that the horses actually looked like they had lions heads, in the same way I doubt that Jesus had a sword coming out of his mouth and has 7 eyes and 7 horns.

Next, we need to look at the purpose of divine inspiration to John concerning the Parthian Empire. Of what benefit was it to the Christians being persecuted by Rome? Unless the Parthians were to overthrow the Christian oppressor there seems no logical reason but to give the churches the daily headlines - "Rome at war with Parthia". No benefit nor significance to God's children whatsoever.
This is a really good argument strategy and I like the thinking behind the question, but I think the question and implied conclusion are a bit overstated. It is really good to ask "What did the suffering Christians John wrote to at the time get out of this? What was this teaching them?" That places you light-years ahead of many on this forum that immediately assume these verses are all about us today! That is a fundamental assumption I just cannot adopt!

A literal 200 million man army is very realistic with the nation of China, and a full onslaught by an army of this size can wipe out a literal 1/3 of the world's population. If you research information concerning Afghanistan and the superhighway constructed that could accomodate a fast moving tank and military, the scenario becomes very much real and achievable.
Are you going to take this literally or not? It's horses mate. Horses. How's that going to work against modern artillery and helicopter gun-ships? Wow, just a few cluster bombs would send them into the next age. No, this mixing and matching between insisting that I take it literally and then taking huge liberties with what the text is saying just will not do. One or the other please.

I've got some things to do, and then I hope to have some time to look at this passage some more. I think there's something we are both missing here.
 
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