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Yes, as Paul states in rom9:16Yes, indeed ... Praise the Lord!
He is NOT in any box of our own making!
Anything is possible with the Lord.
That's one reason why I now believe in one of the aspects of Calvinism ... divine election as per Romans 9 especially.
Why He chooses someone is still a bit of a mystery.
But, this thread is NOT about this!
I chatted to a Christian counsellor a couple of years ago. He counselled people who had ended up in a terrible state, due to going to churches that virtually expected them to ''perform perfect'' to remain in a saved state. Many of those poor people had also become consumed by all manner of concupiscence(rom7:8) An american woman, on another website, whos husband was also a Christian counsellor, told me, half the sex addicts in the USA had at one time or another been to ''holiness'' churches.Karola, so you are against God warning anyone?
I would say that some benefit and maybe some are hindered by it.
Salvation, you mean?It does not therefore depend on mans desire or effort, but on God's mercy
Did you not read my previous post to you? I really do not mean to be offensive, but I will have to clearly spell it out. A minister once said: ''85% of Evangelicals do not understand the justification/sanctification process''. Based on my experience in a charismatic/fundamentalist church I would say that figure is accurate. I never knew the truth when I went to those churches either. I know exactly where you are coming from, for your views exactly replicate the church of my youth.Karola, so you are against God warning anyone?
I would say that some benefit from them,
and maybe some are hindered by them.
There are multitudes of warnings all throughout
the whole Bible. -- So, why are they there?
You tell us.
I got this far.I chatted to a Christian counsellor a couple of years ago. He counselled people who had ended up in a terrible state, due to going to churches that virtually expected them to ''perform perfect'' to remain in a saved state.
The solution to sin is found here:I got this far.
It was horrible teaching.
Repentance is the solution to sin.
Please explain clearly.If all you do is give warnings, but fail to understand the true message, disaster can and does very often follow for many who hear that message
Please do not cut the majority of my posts out when I write them to youPlease explain clearly.
Also, why all of the many warnings?
Aaaaah, now the truth is out !!! ... Praise God!The solution to sin is found here:
For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14
I am missing the teaching of Paul in Romans? Let us see:Aaaaah, now the truth is out !!! ... Praise God!
Now I see where you are.
You are missing the whole teaching of Paul in Romans
(and everywhere else) ... Are you ready for this?
Jesus came to deliver us from sin's bondage!
What we have been given has FREED us,
not only from being Satan's captives,
but from being sin's captives!
BACs DO NOT HAVE TO SIN ANY MORE !!!
This is why the Word came and became flesh,
and died for us ... to free us from having to sin!
That's a great blanket statement, like the one where you quoted: If you love me obey my commandments. And you concluded if we do not love Jesus we cannot be saved..
BACs DO NOT HAVE TO SIN ANY MORE !!!
But, if they do, they need to repent,
and the win will be cleansed by Jesus' blood.
What do you think 1 John is saying?
You see, you cannot answer those questions concerning three verses in romans can you. So which of us does not understand the message of Romans?I've stated my case, which is the truth.
So, I have no more to say.
I wish you all the best.
You ever wondered why the Corinthian church got many warnings, but the roman church, got a message the Corinthian church did not get? Think about it. Those who have surrendered their lives to God in their hearts, can know and accept the true message, those who have hearts where they still want to follow the flesh(or are not so committed to following their faith) need the warnings.3 verses?
You must be kidding!
I'll give you one more chance!
The 100 warning verses in the NT.
What are they there for?
Last chance!
BTW3 verses?
You must be kidding!
I'll give you one more chance!
The 100 warning verses in the NT.
What are they there for?
Last chance!
I am not trying to find fault with what you wrote, simply to reason it with you. Concerning the first quote from John ch15
When you obey my commandments you remain in my love
Do we take this as literally obeying the commands of Christ in the Gospels? If we do, I am only speaking honestly, I have never met any Christian who has even tried to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels. Therefore, if we take those words literally, I have never met any professing Christian who actually is a christian. Can we say there is a pass mark of obedience to Christ's commands in the gospels, and if you reach the pass mark you remain in Christ's love? That would not seem right to me.
Concerning Matt25:46
If we take this literally, are you a goat if you do not invite strangers into your home? Are you a goat if you do not visit people in prison? Again, That would seem to cut a lot of professing Christians out of the faith to me. For how often do Christians just forsake their own needs for others? We all fall short in that regard.
James2:14
Now this is a very interesting verse, bearing in mind Paul's constant message:
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works
Rom9:30-32
If we tell others, their salvation hinges on works, then they can only be in a righteous state before God depending on works when we think about it. And if we tell them that, in the real world they will in reality consider their righteousness before God to be works. Then you are in contradiction of Paul's main gospel message
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law Rom3:28
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works
Rom4:4-8
Would it be fair to say, James and Paul were looking at this subject from differing angles so to speak?
I think the fact remains, if you believe your salvation hinges on works, works of the law, you will in reality live your Christian life under righteousness of works/righteousness of obeying the law. For to you, that is what your continued righteousness/justification hinges on
Concerning Matt ch25. You said, Jesus examples showed people did not have love and compassion for others. I completely agree with you. In my view, Christ's commands can be summed up as examples of: Love God and love your neighbour. The two greatest commandments. In my view, we are not to look to each and every command of Christ and strive to obey them, but to love our fellow man, the more we do that, the more we live as Christ wants us to live. Hence: Carry each others burdens(love them), and so fulfil the law of Christ Gal6:2Those are fair questions sister. Concerning John 15 I agree that no one can keep all of Jesus’ commandments flawlessly but faith is about love and devotion not perfection. God knows that we are not flawless that’s why He sent His Son to die for our sins. The word keep means to adhere to. We are called to do the best we can. I believe Jesus wants us to constantly strive to do better which is why He didn’t say obey the best you can. He wants us to strive for perfection.
Concerning Matthew 25:31-46 Jesus gave those as examples to emphasize that those people didn’t have love and compassion for others. Their faith didn’t produce good works which means they may have believed but they did not have love and devotion to God. Love and devotion is faith. Love and devotion produces works and obedience or repentance. A complete lack of works or repentance is proof of a complete lack of love and devotion or faith in God.
Concerning James 2:14-26 James mentions two types of faith. There is a saving faith that produces works and a dead and useless faith that does not produce works which is not a saving faith. James is talking about how we show our faith. In Romans 4:4 is speaking about the ungodly person who is justified before doing works.
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.”
Romans 4:5
We are all called to God while we were still sinners. But we will undergo the process of sanctification when we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Then the Holy Spirit will dwell within us but we must adhere to His guidance and refrain from sin and do good works as much as possible. Because we are saved by faith (love and devotion) if we do not repent and do good works we are not walking in the Spirit. We have not been born again and become a new creation if we are still living in our old ways. Jesus said to Nicodemus we must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God. I hope this helps to explain the way I see the scriptures. Have a blessed day sister. I am in no way
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