Proof the Earth is Flat

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2020

SeventyOne said:
Maybe you should spend a little more time on the vid, because you don't understand the flat earth model concept at all. Your example is completely erroneous and useless. You only think it doesn't work on a flat earth because you don't understand what you are arguing against. The water-filled atmosphere is a huge lens and needs to be treated as such when considering observations. Your 'test' does none of that and isn't helpful in any way as a result.

First, I am not going to watch FE video nonsense in its entirety. For example: Think of something you think is utterly stupid and ridiculous and is obvious to all. Would you really want to watch a long video on something that is stupid and ridiculous? I sure wouldn't. If you are truly knowledgeable to what the video says, you should explain it here with no problem. You need to explain it here and relate it to how that works in the real world.

Second, my example is not useless because it is based on a smaller scale version of the larger version. A glass lens does not exist. Men have traveled into outer space and did not see this glass lens. We sent up satellites with video footage and did not see this glass lens. But a glass lens is not going to distort the direction of spin of the stars. That's just dumb. Does wearing glasses make things spin in another direction? No. Also, at quick glance: Your guy in the video was looking forward and not UPWARD. Therein lies yet another problem that Flat Earthers do not understand. They just want to make FE true so they will ignore real basic observational spatial reasoning.

SeventyOne · Aug 10, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Except for people who are Scientists and travelers who visit there and have posted video footage, etc.; Again, why would they lie? What advantage do they have?

No, unless you believe there is more than one sun. The flat earth sun is like a spotlight and moves along the outer edge of your ice wall. It would be like if you turned off the lights in your room, and took your smart phone and turned the light on the crust of a pizza you purchased and you did a rotating inspection in a circular motion around the crust. There will be points where the crust of your pizza is not illuminated (Which is supposed to be your version of the Antarctica). But again, that is not what we observe. We can see video footage of Antarctica with 24 hours of daylight.

But even better than that. In Anchorage, Alaska, all days between June 8 and July 5 have 24 hours of daylight or civil twilight. Fairbanks Alaska has more than 70 days with 24 hours of daylight or civil twilight. So this proves a spherical earth. 285,634 people live in Anchorage, Alaska. 30,996 people live in Fairbanks, Alaska. So unless you are suggesting that all these people are lying as a part of some government conspiracy, this disproves a flat earth. For the FE sun cannot hover in one spot for 24 hours and also provide light for the rest of the world because your FE sun is like a little spotlight that is close to the Earth and shines just one point of light on the planet at a time. But if the sun is far away, and the Earth is a sphere, this is not a problem and it explains what we see on our planet. If you believe the people in Alaska are lying and are in on the conspiracy, just travel to these places between June 8th and July 5th. Then BOOM. Your FE worldview will be shattered forever, and you will feel silly that you believed in such FE nonsense.

I have no idea why liers lie. I'm not that type of person. And again, your arguments reveal your lack of understanding concerning the flat earth concept you are arguing against. I really do wish people would educate themselves a bit on the topic before telling others how dumb the topic is. That is an extreme rarity on the topic of flat earth.

Interestingly enough, some people took the time to actually document a lot of the lies told about the Antarctic sun and demonstrates where they are using video tricks and deceptions in their claims.

I'll put their work here, but I do know that others probably wouldn't be interested in understanding why your claim is false.

SeventyOne · Aug 10, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
First, I am not going to watch FE video nonsense in its entirety. For example: Think of something you think is utterly stupid and ridiculous and is obvious to all. Would you really want to watch a long video on something that is stupid and ridiculous? I sure wouldn't. If you are truly knowledgeable to what the video says, you should explain it here with no problem. You need to explain it here and relate it to how that works in the real world.

Second, my example is not useless because it is based on a smaller scale version of the larger version. A glass lens does not exist. Men have traveled into outer space and did not see this glass lens. We sent up satellites with video footage and did not see this glass lens. But a glass lens is not going to distort the direction of spin of the stars. That's just dumb. Does wearing glasses make things spin in another direction? No. Also, at quick glance: Your guy in the video was looking forward and not UPWARD. Therein lies yet another problem that Flat Earthers do not understand. They just want to make FE true so they will ignore real basic observational spatial reasoning.

You could have just said you won't watch because 'ignorance is bliss' and saved us both a bit of time. Maybe next time.

Radagast · Aug 10, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Except for people who are Scientists and travelers who visit there and have posted video footage, etc.; Again, why would they lie? What advantage do they have?

And it's not just the 24-hour days in Antarctica, it's the summer days getting longer and longer as you move south:

Cairns, Australia: 13 hours, 9 minutes.
Brisbane: 13 hours, 53 minutes.
Sydney: 14 hours, 25 minutes.
Melbourne: 14 hours, 47 minutes.
Hobart: 15 hours, 21 minutes.
Invercargill (NZ): 15 hours, 47 minutes.
Macquarie Island: 17 hours, 16 minutes.
McMurdo Antarctic Base: 24 hours.

And more even than that: it's the 6-month-lagged symmetry between the Northern and Southern Hemispheres.

Radagast · Aug 10, 2020

SeventyOne said:
I have no idea why liers lie. I'm not that type of person.

Yes, you are.

SeventyOne said:
And again, your arguments reveal your lack of understanding concerning the flat earth concept you are arguing against.

We understand it better than you do.

SeventyOne said:
Interestingly enough, some people took the time to actually document a lot of the lies told about the Antarctic sun

They aren't lies. I know people that have been there.

I watched the first part of that video, btw. No coherent arguments were presented.

Radagast · Aug 10, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. (Amos 9:6 NASB)

Your Bible-interpretation is as wildly wrong as your astronomy.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. (Amos 9:6 NASB)

It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name. (KJV)

Strong's Hebrew: 92. אֲגֻדָּה (aguddah) -- a band

Are you a KJV trooper of God?

Like some kind of pillars. Perhaps pillars of the community. You decide...
29 Bible verses about Pillars

Think you've got some scaling issues there in the ground view. Sun's not just circling the local church.

It runs its race like a strong man, like St Paul.

You've found me out!

The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. (Ps 19:9-10)

I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Rev 3:18)

Personally, I'd love to be rich, like in the good book.

That's just an optical effect. Demonstrated firstly by the fact the angle on those masts doesn't change lol. Boat's just sliding over the curve remaining upright (shh it's supposed to lean over). Secondly by real point to point experiments that use height and distance calculations against the ball earth curve predictions. Thirdly by optical effects at the vanishing point which make it appear the object is converging with the horizon. And on it goes.

This is how it should be done (take notes):

The atmosphere is full of moisture and haze, which obscures sight beyond a certain distance (depending on the humidity and similar factors). I've seen some pics of island-to-island views in Hawaii. But take this long distance shot, there's plenty others like it, some 443km to Pic Gaspard.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hSCAgKBm...s/s1600/finestrelles-gaspard-marc-bret-bh.png

You could also check out JTolan Media channel, he's an engineer who's pioneered use of infrared filters to cut through the haze, here's an example:

I don't have time at the moment to give a proper reply to all of what you wrote here. I have other more important matters that need my attention. Perhaps tomorrow (if I have time).

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2020

Radagast said:
And it's not just the 24-hour days in Antarctica, it's the summer days getting longer and longer as you move south:

Cairns, Australia: 13 hours, 9 minutes.
Brisbane: 13 hours, 53 minutes.
Sydney: 14 hours, 25 minutes.
Melbourne: 14 hours, 47 minutes.
Hobart: 15 hours, 21 minutes.
Invercargill (NZ): 15 hours, 47 minutes.
Macquarie Island: 17 hours, 16 minutes.
McMurdo Antarctic Base: 24 hours.

And more even than that: it's the 6-month-lagged symmetry between the Northern and Southern Hemispheres.

Well said. This only makes sense on a spherical Earth and not a flat Earth. The Flat Earthers could do a model experiment by using a 3D program comparing the sun being far away with the Earth being a globe, vs. a close spotlight sun on a flat disc Earth. They will not get these results even if they tried really really hard. They will just create more imaginary Unscience to prove their precious FE model. It would not surprise me if some Flat Earthers would go so far as to say that the government hacked into their 3D program to alter our perception of reality to defend this supposed great conspiracy to hide the truth of the shape of the Earth.

JacksBratt · Aug 10, 2020

Radagast said:
You really can't visualise your own model, can you?

So, you're telling me that if you look north, to Polaris, the stars go from left to right, in Australia?

Even just south of the 49th parallel, here, if I look south.. the stars move left to right. If I look North, the stars move right to left...

Radagast said:
On a flat earth, both Australia and the US are looking up at Polaris. Stars would appear to rotate in the same direction.

On the globe model.. anyone looking north.. will see the stars move from right to left. On the FE model, anyone looking north would observe the same... Flat or round... you can look north or south.

Radagast said:
On a globe earth, the US is looking up at Polaris and Australia is looking in the opposite direction at the South Celestial Pole. Stars would appear to rotate in opposite directions, because Australians are "upside down."

Exactly. They are looking south.. You can do that anywhere on the globe.. You can look south.. you can look north... it's not only done in Oz.

Radagast said:
Observation confirms the second of those two options.

God bless.

Radagast · Aug 10, 2020

JacksBratt said:
So, you're telling me that if you look north, to Polaris, the stars go from left to right, in Australia?

You can't see Polaris in Australia. It's hidden by the curve of the Earth.

In Australia, as in the rest of the Southern Hemisphere, the stars rotate around a central point, but that central point is not Polaris.

JacksBratt · Aug 10, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
No. While I did not watch the whole video (because I cannot tolerate watching FE video nonsense), just by quickly glancing at it for a few seconds, the guy in your video is looking out frontwards, and he is not looking upwards ONLY to the sky. We are talking about looking straight UP in different parts of a flat disc. The rotation is not going to change if you are on a flat disc and looking up. Please just take some star glow stickers and place them on the ceiling. Then take a bunch of cameras (pointed UP ONLY at the stars) and put them on a flat disc and then rotate that disc. You will ONLY see stars rotating in one direction no matter where the camera (pointed up) is at on the flat disc. It's pure observation.

But if you were to also put star glow stickers on your floor, and put cameras on the top side and bottom side of a ball, and spin the ball, then collect the footage, you would see that the footage on top spins in one direction, while the footage in the bottom spins in another direction. This is what we observe on our planet. So you are pushing unreality in hiding from the truth.

It is impossible to comment on something that you have not seen.

JacksBratt · Aug 10, 2020

Radagast said:
You can't see Polaris in Australia. It's hidden by the curve of the Earth.

In Australia, as in the rest of the Southern Hemisphere, the stars rotate around a central point, but that central point is not Polaris.

OK... and when you look at that certain point, which way are you facing?

Radagast · Aug 10, 2020

JacksBratt said:
OK... and when you look at that certain point, which way are you facing?

I am facing towards the point around which the stars rotate (the South Celestial Pole). You can see that from the video.

On a globe earth, there are 2 points around which the stars rotate.

On a flat earth, of course, there is only one.

SeventyOne · Aug 10, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Well said. This only makes sense on a spherical Earth and not a flat Earth. The Flat Earthers could do a model experiment by using a 3D program comparing the sun being far away with the Earth being a globe, vs. a close spotlight sun on a flat disc Earth. They will not get these results even if they tried really really hard. They will just create more imaginary Unscience to prove their precious FE model. It would not surprise me if some Flat Earthers would go so far as to say that the government hacked into their 3D program to alter our perception of reality to defend this supposed great conspiracy to hide the truth of the shape of the Earth.

These models have been done. I won't bore you with the links since it seems you don't seem to be interested in actually learning about it.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 10, 2020

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Yeah, I am thinking of throwing in the towel in trying to reason with them here. It seems no matter what logical argument we try to bring up, they simply do not either understand it and or they ignore it. I believe it is best at this time to pray for them instead.

Peace and blessings be unto you in the Lord.

Shrewd Manager · Aug 11, 2020

Radagast said:
Your Bible-interpretation is as wildly wrong as your astronomy.

You tell em young fellow.

Uriah S · Aug 12, 2020

SeventyOne said:
... your arguments reveal your lack of understanding concerning the flat earth concept you are arguing against. I really do wish people would educate themselves a bit on the topic before telling others how dumb the topic is.

et tu. All FE arguments reveal lack of understanding of the Science they claim to debunk. The OP claims this thread is 'Proof the Earth is Flat'. I've not even seen a shred of evidence. Believe me, I've done the research. All I get is facepalm after facepalm. All FE has is "Scripture says so", and I'm not convinced it does.

SeventyOne said:
I really do wish people would educate themselves a bit on the topic before telling others how dumb the topic is.

You said it.

The point is, so what? How does Earth being flat or a sphere affect my/your/our walk with Christ? How is all this discussion helping us to prepare for the Judgment?

Phil G · Aug 12, 2020

Uriah S said:
How does Earth being flat or a sphere affect my/your/our walk with Christ? How is all this discussion helping us to prepare for the Judgment?

I totally agree with you on this. If someone wants to believe the earth is flat, that's fine with me. But flat earth believers seem to have an inherent compulsion to 'educate' people who believe it to be spherical. We are suppoosedly all victims of 'Satan's deception' and under the influence of his worshipers who want to 'indoctrinate' us.

The irony of all this is that the flat earth message itself has the clear mark of Satan's deception all over it as all it really does is distract from the true message of Scripture which is God's provision for our salvation in the death and resurrection of His Son Jesus.

JacksBratt · Aug 17, 2020

Phil G said:
I totally agree with you on this. If someone wants to believe the earth is flat, that's fine with me. But flat earth believers seem to have an inherent compulsion to 'educate' people who believe it to be spherical. We are suppoosedly all victims of 'Satan's deception' and under the influence of his worshipers who want to 'indoctrinate' us.

Actually, I have never met an "angry" FE'er.... However, I have met and seen the out right rude and unfriendly behavior of people against it.

There are many concepts out there that I disagree with.. They don't make me angry.. like many people are toward FE belief.

Phil G said:
The irony of all this is that the flat earth message itself has the clear mark of Satan's deception all over it as all it really does is distract from the true message of Scripture which is God's provision for our salvation in the death and resurrection of His Son Jesus.

Actually, the irony is that many admitted atheists... have come to Christ through their discovery of and subsequent coming to a belief in the FE.

I am not a FE'er but find the subject fascinating.

I also agree that a FE model is much more in line with a creator who is watching over His creation and has it as the center of His universe. Not floating around aimlessly in a void of a humongous space whirling through a universe as insignificant speck.

I believe that the globe model is harder to align with the above concept.

Phil G · Aug 17, 2020

JacksBratt said:
Actually, I have never met an "angry" FE'er.... However, I have met and seen the out right rude and unfriendly behavior of people against it.

There are many concepts out there that I disagree with.. They don't make me angry.. like many people are toward FE belief.

Actually, the irony is that many admitted atheists... have come to Christ through their discovery of and subsequent coming to a belief in the FE.

I am not a FE'er but find the subject fascinating.

I also agree that a FE model is much more in line with a creator who is watching over His creation and has it as the center of His universe. Not floating around aimlessly in a void of a humongous space whirling through a universe as insignificant speck.

I believe that the globe model is harder to align with the above concept.

I never came across an angry flat earther either. But I have come across a general attitude of feeling the need to 'educate' those of us who accept a spherical earth based on evidence as if we're all indoctrinated and are unable to assess it for ourselves. We are told if only we would look for ourselves, then we would see it. But time and time again, the evidence points to a spherical earth. Videos are produced with claimed evidence for a flat earth which inevitably fall down when examined closely.

I do actually find the subject fascinating myself and it has given me great interest in my surroundings. The evidence I see very clearly is for a spherical earth. I also know a Bible believing Christian who is an avid amateur astronomer. He believes emphatically in six literal days of creation but has seen much evidence for a spherical earth in the sky, which he never stops watching with enthusiasm (maybe even obsession!). He sees no contradiction in a spherical earth and the Bible.

I don't believe the earth is floating around aimlessly in space. i see God as designing and in control of a universe so big that the human mind cannot comprehend its enormity or complexity. In this universe, the earth is created by Him for His purposes. I see no reason for it to be at the centre of a small simple universe and I see no evidence for it either.

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