Proof the Earth is Flat

Shrewd Manager · Aug 5, 2020

Radagast said:
As am I. That's more than can be said for some people on this thread, going by comments that have been made.

Why not just put the question to me instead of sniping and backbiting, friend?

Aryeh Jay · Aug 5, 2020

DebbieJ said:
Flat earth conspiracy is really getting old. Why not triangular earth for a change?

Already done

Sunrise, Sunset: A Question for Flat-Earthers

Nurse fired for refusing flu shot

There IS no gravity.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 5, 2020

kiwimac said:
You are wrong.

Just saying that does not support your argument that you are right. You are just hitting the disagree button. Such a thing does not prove anything. Making a case with Scripture to back up your opinion will go a long way. But OAO cannot be defended with Scripture. When I read the New Testament, I don't see the apostles seeking to look to some ancient manuscripts in some other language to get a better meaning (with them thinking the originals that no longer exist are better), and neither do I see them looking to some kaleidoscope of different variations of God's Word with them picking and choosing which parts of the Scripture to accept or reject. So your position is not biblical or based upon what we see in the Scriptures.

Anyways, my defense on the KJV being the pure Word of God is in that thread. You will either be open to what Scripture says on that topic, or you will see what you want to see. But we are here to talk about the earth and its shape, and not the KJV (being the pure Word). I only mentioned it because another poster questioned what His Word said in a particular verse in Job.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 5, 2020

Aryeh Jay said:
Already done

Sunrise, Sunset: A Question for Flat-Earthers

Nurse fired for refusing flu shot

There IS no gravity.

You cannot be serious that the earth is a pyramid. You just can't. You have to be joking.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 5, 2020

Okay. High powered telescopes. If the Earth was flat, and you were to look at a boat with a high powered telescope, it would reappear if it disappeared in the distance. But this is not the case. The boats are disappearing over the curvature of the Earth because it is a sphere. Some flat earthers believe the Earth is curved a bit (like a half top of a ball), and so they get around this one. But if that is the case, then why hasn't anyone discovered the edge of the world? We have planes and boats and navigation and satellites. It doesn't make any sense. It sounds about as crazy as a large group of people huddling up together in a room with no masks on (thinking the government is forcing some kind of conspiracy upon us).

coffee4u · Aug 5, 2020

d taylor said:
In Genesis 1:16 the Bible states God created two great lights. What is the difference.

Why do you not accept this statement from the Bible. And instead believe science when they say the moon reflects the suns light.

I accept the science on this because it does not contradict the Bible like you claim it does.

The Hebrew can be read to mean “to be or become light,” or “to be illuminated or become lighted up.” It's ambiguous, the same way that circle is in Job.

The moon is a lesser light to govern the night. It doesn't have to produce its own light to be a light source. If it produced light in addition to reflecting the sun it would be way too bright, it would be like day. The sun illuminates it and it shines.

The important part of this is that God made the sun, moon and stars on day 4, not if it produces it's own light or not. Which again makes no difference to any Doctrine, unlike evolution which completely shreds the meaning of sin and salvation. This is yet again another side issue.

Which brings us back again to the validity or not of human eye whiteness of the actual moon. The moon landing and space pictures. Eyewitness and science claim one thing and you claim another. So again you need a real reason for this to be a lie. Governments don't spend exorbitant amounts of cash just for Giggles. I have yet to see someone claiming the earth is flat to come up with a reason for such a huge lie and there needs to be one, not 'just because it is'.

coffee4u · Aug 5, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
That's the approach, move along nothing to see here.

While the things above are paramount, if we speak of earthly things and ye believe not, well what then? And the structure of God's creation is important, or at least, rightly understanding what it is.

If you're comfortable that the word of God and worldly knowledge have anything in common, then you'd have to be off-base. For the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. Moreover, the whole world lies in the hands of the evil one, and he was a liar from the beginning.

So have faith in God's word above proud worldly knowledge. There is a way that seems right, but that way leads to Sheol. The Biblical cosmos is flat, domed and stationary. It couldn't be any other way and still have absolute direction and perfect rest. God is not a relativist, dualist or heliocentrist, that would be heresy. Make your paths straight for the Lord.

The fact that God created and that it didn't just all make itself is important.
The fact that God made man in his image and that he fell causing spiritual and physical death is important.
The fact that Jesus came and died on the cross to restore humanity back to himself is important.
The shape of the earth, whether it is round, flat or a pyramid does not change any of those fundamental facts. I can believe the world is a potato in a bowl of soup if I want, but that still won't change sin and salvation, so explain exactly how what shape you believe the earth to be, leads to Sheol, because that's a pretty big claim.

So show us the scripture that says plainly that the Bible comos is flat, domed and stationary.

kiwimac · Aug 6, 2020

d taylor said:
In Genesis 1:16 the Bible states God created two great lights. What is the difference.

Why do you not accept this statement from the Bible. And instead believe science when they say the moon reflects the suns light.

Because the science is correct and the Bible is NOT a science-text.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 6, 2020

d taylor said:
In Genesis 1:16 the Bible states God created two great lights. What is the difference.

Why do you not accept this statement from the Bible. And instead believe science when they say the moon reflects the suns light.

I believe the Bible does express scientific truths within it, but we have to understand how words are defined in the English dictionary. Most people are too lazy to look up the variation of definitions on how words are used, or they prefer to try and create their own definition based upon an older language that they are not familiar with (Just to prove a belief that they want to be true).

“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” (Genesis 1:16).

Okay. So if I used a reflected light source like say a mirror to reflect the light of a bright light at your eyes, it would not be making a light to hit you? The moon reflecting the light of the sun is God creating (or making) a light source. I mean, why do you think there is a half moon, etc. It's because the moon is a reflective object of the sun. It's basic spatial reasoning and logical thinking, of which you have thrown out the door in favor of something the Bible does not specifically teach. God worked with talking to men of God within the confines of their own limited world view in that men did not travel to space. From their perspective, the Earth only looked flat. So they would write in such a way that would fit what they experienced. Why would God hide the truth that the world was a sphere in biblical times? Can God hide truth from people? Yes. Scripture says,

“It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.” (Proverbs 25:2).

d taylor · Aug 6, 2020

coffee4u said:
I accept the science on this because it does not contradict the Bible like you claim it does.

The Hebrew can be read to mean “to be or become light,” or “to be illuminated or become lighted up.” It's ambiguous, the same way that circle is in Job.

The moon is a lesser light to govern the night. It doesn't have to produce its own light to be a light source. If it produced light in addition to reflecting the sun it would be way too bright, it would be like day. The sun illuminates it and it shines.

The important part of this is that God made the sun, moon and stars on day 4, not if it produces it's own light or not. Which again makes no difference to any Doctrine, unlike evolution which completely shreds the meaning of sin and salvation. This is yet again another side issue.

Which brings us back again to the validity or not of human eye whiteness of the actual moon. The moon landing and space pictures. Eyewitness and science claim one thing and you claim another. So again you need a real reason for this to be a lie. Governments don't spend exorbitant amounts of cash just for Giggles. I have yet to see someone claiming the earth is flat to come up with a reason for such a huge lie and there needs to be one, not 'just because it is'.

So you take the testimony from satans kingdoms about the moon over the Bible and Gods Statement that God created two great lights.

Want to show in the Bible where 3974. maor is used
meaning not an actual light, but used of an object that reflects light.

You can not even prove from the Bible that the sun, moon and stars are out in an outer space. Again Genesis states these created lights are placed in the raqia to give light on the earth.

Numbers 13, 14 shows a good example of people (Hebrew people) taking a false (lie) report over Gods word and promise. They died in desert and the one who gave the false report did not even live to die in the desert. This also was not a salvation issue.

Shrewd Manager · Aug 6, 2020

coffee4u said:
The fact that God created and that it didn't just all make itself is important.
The fact that God made man in his image and that he fell causing spiritual and physical death is important.
The fact that Jesus came and died on the cross to restore humanity back to himself is important.
The shape of the earth, whether it is round, flat or a pyramid does not change any of those fundamental facts. I can believe the world is a potato in a bowl of soup if I want, but that still won't change sin and salvation, so explain exactly how what shape you believe the earth to be, leads to Sheol, because that's a pretty big claim.

The fundamental fact, my friend, is faith. And if we can't trust God in the small things, like the shape of the world, then how can we truly trust Him in the large, like ultimate salvation? And that applies of course mutatis mutandis. It's very easy to have faith when our proud worldly beliefs aren't challenged, but the world hates Jesus, because he does just that.

So, do you let go of that 'certainty' in the heliocentric cosmos and accept God's word as literal in describing earthly things?

Because when you look into modern cosmology and astrophysics, it's all a house of cards, contrivances and suppositions. So, you have a measure of faith, by the grace of God. Where are you going to place it?

d taylor · Aug 6, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
I believe the Bible does express scientific truths within it, but we have to understand how words are defined in the English dictionary. Most people are too lazy to look up the variation of definitions on how words are used, or they prefer to try and create their own definition based upon an older language that they are not familiar with (Just to prove a belief that they want to be true).

“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” (Genesis 1:16).

Okay. So if I used a reflected light source like say a mirror to reflect the light of a bright light at your eyes, it would not be making a light to hit you? The moon reflecting the light of the sun is God creating (or making) a light source. I mean, why do you think there is a half moon, etc. It's because the moon is a reflective object of the sun. It's basic spatial reasoning and logical thinking, of which you have thrown out the door in favor of something the Bible does not specifically teach. God worked with talking to men of God within the confines of their own limited world view in that men did not travel to space. From their perspective, the Earth only looked flat. So they would write in such a way that would fit what they experienced. Why would God hide the truth that the world was a sphere in biblical times? Can God hide truth from people? Yes. Scripture says,

“It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.” (Proverbs 25:2).

Look believe what you want, i am tired of this back and forth, with people who simply want to place pagan science over Gods Bible.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 6, 2020

d taylor said:
Look believe what you want, i am tired of this back and forth, with people who simply want to place pagan science over Gods Bible.

Isaiah 40:22 says,

“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”

Now, if you have ever taken art class before, you know that when you draw a sphere, you have to first draw a circle. It is only when you shade in a light source that makes that circle look like a sphere. To sit upon the circle would be sitting upon from what we see in a sphere (Which is a shaded circle). God can sit upon the circle side of a sphere that we see.

GOD just brought this verse to my attention just now. My memory is not always as sharp as I would like it to be, so I know it was GOD bringing this verse forth for me to say.

This verse is Isaiah 66:1. It says:

“Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?”
(Isaiah 66:1).

Okay. Not sure if you know what a footstool is. But is like a little step chair so as to get up and reach high things in your home or apartment. So if the earth is God's footstool, then it must be some kind of object that is raised off the ground when He sits upon it. If God sat upon a flat circle, it would not resemble a footstool all that much for God. God would just be sitting on the ground and the earth would not be a footstool. But if the earth is a sphere (as observable Science teaches), then the earth can be a footstool for God.

Radagast · Aug 6, 2020

d taylor said:
Look believe what you want, i am tired of this back and forth, with people who simply want to place pagan science over Gods Bible.

First, science done by Christians isn't "pagan," and second, your interpretations of the Bible are unorthodox and incorrect.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 6, 2020

d taylor said:
Look believe what you want, i am tired of this back and forth, with people who simply want to place pagan science over Gods Bible.

Look, buddy (Note: I say this in a loving tone). You can get one of those solar system models on the internet whereby the sun lights up. You will be able to see the shading on the moon and thereby see how that looks similar to the half moons we see, etc. Why would the moon look like a sphere that is lit up from different angles if it not a sphere? Again, this is where you fail in basic spatial reasoning and how things work by basic logical observation.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 6, 2020

@d taylor

If you were to go outside where it is pitch black and you took two small balls fixed on a string next to each and then you lit them up from different angles by a ball like light source, and then you later observe the moon and took pics (or drawings) of it, you would see that it is very much like the lighting up two spheres (next to each other). If you take two spheres and you take a light source, this will help you to see what the end result of the moon looks like. This is not trickery but basic observation (i.e. Science).

Things look like a sphere out in space. It would be odd that the earth was different in size when everything else in the universe is a sphere.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 6, 2020

Here is an animation of the moon that shows clearly how it is merely a reflected light source with the Earth blocking the light of the sun (thereby causing a moving shadow upon it).

Again, this is not trickery or a lie. You can observe this kind of thing for yourself. One more time, get two balls and light them up outside when it is super dark outside and you can simulate this for yourself.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 6, 2020

Aryeh Jay · Aug 6, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:

If it never happens, then how is there a picture of it?

Bible Highlighter · Aug 6, 2020

Aryeh Jay said:
If it never happens, then how is there a picture of it?

Come on now. It's a photoshop job to show you that such a thing never happens.

Side Note:

Oh, and before you say it, the other photos are not photoshop jobs. We can observe these things for ourselves. I can imagine if you were skeptical if you lived in a cave all your life, but the fact that you can observe the moon for yourself leaves you without excuse. If you were to simply observe the moon every chance you get, you would no longer be against a spherical earth. For the moon is a sphere and it does not cast any flat disc shadows, or any other odd shapes.

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