Proof that Vedic culture was practiced by the whole world

Ram · Apr 4, 2005

Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:
What is personal devotion to God, if not also just an emotion?

Or is devotion to God something logical and intellectual?

Yes, love to god without jnana is just emotion and known as bhakti.
Love to god with jnana is called bhakti yoga.

bhakti leads to bhakti yoga.

Ram · Apr 4, 2005

sanaa said:
yes theres a story that goes about a little kid who is forced to choose between his teacher and God , he chooses his teacher telling God that the teacher was the one who taught me about u . he was blessed

but we must aim to choose God over everythin else

I think it is there in kabir's doha.

maccoy77 · Apr 5, 2005

A very Good Article with clear Evidence. As supported by the Bhagavad-Gita

Sunil Bhalla · Apr 17, 2005

really a wonderfull article

Lifesaver · Apr 17, 2005

It is such a pity that the article "Pyramids: Indicative of Vedic Civilization on Other Planets?", from the same website, is not working.
If it were, we would know that not only were the Celts, Romans, Greeks, Russians and Japanese cultures were just variations of Vedic culture (despite the deep differences between them and their complete ignorance of the fact), but also the Martians and, who knows, maybe even the Vulcans, are nothing more than derived from Hinduism.

Perhaps the hindus contacted the Martians by travelling there with their airplane, which they invented (according to websites which circulated in this board before), and taught them how to make electric devices (another invention credited the hindus), thus enabling the flying saucers we have grown accustomed to spotting.

Uh oh... if the hindus websites are correct, then planet earth might be in serious risk; it is possible that they, in their Vedic wisdom, taught aliens how to make the atomic bomb, a knoweldge they possessed a long time before the "Christian" era.

And I say "Christian" because everyone who frequents this forum knows that Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, is but a shallow system derived from the Vedas.

Of course, all of this has been conveniently censured by the puny Arabs and British, who could not stand the fact that their civilizations' achievements were all stolen from their rightful hindu origins.

Really, the only thing I have seen hindus invent so far are dishonest and revisionistic web pages lacking any basis whatsoever, and this is nothing but another attempt at exactly that.

We must pray for the conversion of the ignorant men who have believed in these lies and have started to worship the demons of hinduism; may God have mercy on them and bestow on their souls the grace needed for them to wake up to the obvious truth and reject the errors of their idolatrous religion.

arunma · Apr 17, 2005

Lifesaver said:
We must pray for the conversion of the ignorant men who have believed in these lies and have started to worship the demons of hinduism; may God have mercy on them and bestow on their souls the grace needed for them to wake up to the obvious truth and reject the errors of their idolatrous religion.

I would have put it nicer than that, but yes I do agree with most of what you said. Unfortunately, many Hindu websites do twist the truth in order to portray India as the cradle of civilization and Hinduism as the proto-religion of all men. And because I'm opposed to all forms of nationalism, I oppose this too.

Sunil Bhalla · Apr 18, 2005

Lifesaver said:
We must pray for the conversion of the ignorant men who have believed in these lies and have started to worship the demons of hinduism

mind your language you Satanist . It's all because of Naked , Spiritualless , Moralless, Materialistic affects of Satan (high degree of ignorance) in your culture.
Heck with such moraless religion and culture of yours.

Ram · Apr 18, 2005

arunma said:
I would have put it nicer than that, but yes I do agree with most of what you said. Unfortunately, many Hindu websites do twist the truth in order to portray India as the cradle of civilization and Hinduism as the proto-religion of all men. And because I'm opposed to all forms of nationalism, I oppose this too.

Which religion does not have websites that twist their religion? It is human nature to distort facts and make it look appealing. But that does not mean Hindus are just spreading lies. The twisted webistes dont generalise Hinduism.

You can say this only if you have read and digested its scriptures, not otherwise. You are very ignorant of Hinduism, and yet you pass these comments...Have you read the four vedas? Have you read the 18 puranas? Have you read the major upanishads? Have you read the originals of hindu epics? Have you read about vedanta and later developments? If you have not done this, then what qualification do you have to pass such coments?

You must make your judgements from your own study and not from websites sprouting nonsense. There is a lot of mythology interspersed in the hindu scriptures, and you must learn to separate them out. All religions can be easily attacked because of scientific inadeuancy. We as Hindus dont try to justify everything as history. All Hindu scriptures have deep philosphical meaning which learned Hindus know.

For example, I am against people who try to prove Ramayana as a story. Ramayana is a philosophical interpretation of jnana yoga and it has 17 different meanings. Only a person who learns it from a guru will know it. The rest of the ignorant folks will try to prove that Rama was a prince who lived 17 million years ago, talked with monkeys, constructed a brdige etc. While I dont deny it, but I do not accept it as history until there is proper evidence. Just some ignorant Hindus who think they know everything bring shame to Hinduism.

Hinduism is just a way of life. Its scriptures cannot be dispoved by any means. There is nothing historical in it that needs to be verified to accept its philosophy unlike Christianity and Islam which loose all credibility if their prophets were proved non existant or false in history. The hindus scriptures combine some history, some stories, some mythology and philosophy. An unbiased person will learn to distinguish these elements.

Sunil Bhalla · Apr 18, 2005

I don't have anything in particular against Christianity itself. I was born and raised a Christian, so I know what it is, but also how they work. My main contention is when the teachings that are said to come from Jesus are twisted and misinterpreted into something that does not spread the genuine love of God and humanity that we are all supposed to develop, but becomes the dog-like barking and criticism against every other religion that is not Christian. This does not only go on toward every religion outside of Christianity, but also within it between Catholics and Protestants and other denominations. It seems that this faith has become not something that promotes our similarities for cooperation, but our differences in that everyone who is of a unrelated Christian denomination are all going to hell.

arunma · Apr 18, 2005

Ram said:
Which religion does not have websites that twist their religion? It is human nature to distort facts and make it look appealing. But that does not mean Hindus are just spreading lies. The twisted webistes dont generalise Hinduism.

Ram, I don't think you fully understood my last post. I said "many Hindu websites," which doesn't refer to all Hindus. I know that not all Hindus spread lies, just as not all Hindus hate Christians. I've met Hindus who don't attack my religion, and I've met a few Hindus who condemn me just for being a Christian. I know that not everyone accurately reflects Hinduism. Nonetheless, there is a group of Hindus who do the things that Lifesaver talked about. I'm not saying that they are representative of all Hindus, only that they exist.

Ram said:
You can say this only if you have read and digested its scriptures, not otherwise. You are very ignorant of Hinduism, and yet you pass these comments...Have you read the four vedas? Have you read the 18 puranas? Have you read the major upanishads? Have you read the originals of hindu epics? Have you read about vedanta and later developments?

I have read the epics. But it's not as if I'm claiming any special knowledge of Hinduism.

Sunil Bhalla said:
I was born and raised a Christian, so I know what it is, but also how they work.

Just because you were born and raised Christian doesn't mean you know anything about the religion. I know plenty of cradle Christians who are even ignorant of the Gospel, which is the most important story in Christianity.

I was born and raised Hindu. But as Ram (correctly) said, I don't know very much about that religion. How, then, can you claim special knowledge of Christianity?

Sunil Bhalla said:
It's all because of Naked , Spiritualless , Moralless, Materialistic affects of Satan (high degree of ignorance) in your culture.
Heck with such moraless religion and culture of yours.

How do you know about Lifesaver's culture? His profile says he's from Brazil. You probably assumed that he was a Caucasian American. I would ask you to separate Christianity from culture. Christianity has nothing to do with any specific culture; the church has room for all cultures. In fact, we are commanded to fold all cultures into the church (see Colossians 3:11).

Ram · Apr 18, 2005

LifeSaver said:
We must pray for the conversion of the ignorant men who have believed in these lies and have started to worship the demons of hinduism; may God have mercy on them and bestow on their souls the grace needed for them to wake up to the obvious truth and reject the errors of their idolatrous religion.

Is this statment attacking a few Hindus or the hindu religion? Obviously, you guys know too little about Hinduism to make statements about it. Is any Hindu here attacking Christianity like that? No, not any knowledgable Hindu, while 90% of Christians will use that phrase to attack other religions. We respect Christianity and even accept Jesus as an evolved soul. We dont even have any objections with the spiritual path of christianity, including its self centred approach to salvation.

Sunil Bhalla · Apr 18, 2005

the quote in Rom's post was not posted by arunma but Lifesaver.i think it's a mistake.

Sunil Bhalla · Apr 18, 2005

arunma said:
Just because you were born and raised Christian doesn't mean you know anything about the religion. I know plenty of cradle Christians who are even ignorant of the Gospel, which is the most important story in Christianity.).

Don't judge me. I said i know, still i left Christanity.

How do you know about Lifesaver's culture? His profile says he's from Brazil. You probably assumed that he was a Caucasian American. I would ask you to separate Christianity from culture. Christianity has nothing to do with any specific culture; the church has room for all cultures. In fact, we are commanded to fold all cultures into the church (see Colossians 3:11

I lived as a Christian for many years and i know remarks which he has made are common for 90% of Christians. Christians make such remarks not only for Hinduism but for every religion other than Christanity. It's there culture which is influenced by there religion.

bouncer · Apr 18, 2005

Ram said:
Is this statment attacking a few Hindus or the hindu religion? Obviously, you guys know too little about Hinduism to make statements about it. Is any Hindu here attacking Christianity like that?

How about Sunil Bhalla ?

Ram · Apr 18, 2005

bouncer said:
How about Sunil Bhalla ?

As he explains, he is a convert to a Hindu and an ex christian. It takes more time to imbibe Hindu values after conversion.

bouncer · Apr 18, 2005

Ram said:
As he explains, he is a convert to a Hindu and an ex christian. It takes more time to imbibe Hindu values after conversion.

Another attack on Christianity.

Jokes apart, I think Lifesaver had a point but for his unfortunate attack on Hinduism.

Ram · Apr 18, 2005

bouncer said:
Another attack on Christianity.

Jokes apart, I think Lifesaver had a point but for his unfortunate attack on Hinduism.

No, I am just kidding. No Hindu gets offended at an attack on his religion. Because he beleives your god is the same as his god too.... In a debate like this you tend to get carried away by emotions, and that is why sometimes we do see some insensible attacks. Even Hindus are humans and sometimes forget their religion sometimes. Let us forget and forgive!

arunma · Apr 18, 2005

Ram, you misquoted me in post 71. I believe Lifesaver said that, I didn't. I'd appreciate if you can make the appropriate changes. Thanks.

bouncer · Apr 18, 2005

Ram said:
No, I am just kidding. No Hindu gets offended at an attack on his religion. Because he beleives your god is the same as his god too.... In a debate like this you tend to get carried away by emotions, and that is why sometimes we do see some insensible attacks. Even Hindus are humans and sometimes forget their religion sometimes. Let us forget and forgive!

arunma · Apr 18, 2005

Ram said:
No, I am just kidding. No Hindu gets offended at an attack on his religion. Because he beleives your god is the same as his god too.... In a debate like this you tend to get carried away by emotions, and that is why sometimes we do see some insensible attacks. Even Hindus are humans and sometimes forget their religion sometimes. Let us forget and forgive!

Since you're a Hindu, you should probably tell him that his attacks on Christianity aren't in step with his new religion.

Sunil Bhalla said:
Don't judge me. I said i know, still i left Christanity.

I'm not judging you. I'm saying that your former faith in Christianity doesn't imply that you have special knowledge of the religion. There's a difference between being born to Christian parents and being a Christian. Being a Christian has nothing to do with a person's birth. Now, if you really practiced Christianity while you were a Christian, and if you really studied the Bible, your church's catechism, and church history, then maybe you are knowledgable about Christianity. But again, it has nothing with having Christian parents.

Sunil Bhalla said:
I lived as a Christian for many years and i know remarks which he has made are common for 90% of Christians. Christians make such remarks not only for Hinduism but for every religion other than Christanity. It's there culture which is influenced by there religion.

Which culture? Christians come from practically all nationalities. In fact, the largest ethnic Christian group is Africans. Yet African culture is quite different from the Christian cultures in America or in Southeast Asia.

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