Proof that Trump's an Idiot

[Albion]

Oh, so since I don't have a fancy title, I can't speak the truth? Is that what you're falling back to now?

Here's your chance to list your credentials, then. After all, you're the one who represented yourself as an authority on this.

the fact of the matter is, Trump is clearly a fool

I'm resisting saying the obvious.

 

[NightHawkeye]

The fact of the matter is, Trump is clearly a fool, and as such is not suitable for the Oval Office. Given the facts at hand, that is the only reasonable conclusion.

LOL ... I know what you mean.

 

[pakicetus]

So what do you guys think of the fact that Trump believes multiple crazy conspiracy theories?

 

[Bknight006]

Here's your chance to list your credentials, then. After all, you're the one who represented yourself as an authority on this.

I call you out on the sin, and you still persist. I give you the facts behind my opinions, and you ignore them. Screw it. It's not worth trying to convince a fool that he isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

 

[Audacious]

Donald Trump is downright wrong about every single thing he's said about vaccines. They don't cause autism; 10-20 aren't given at the same time; and the current vaccine schedule is extremely safe.

That moment when several GOP candidates, including by far the two most popular ones, agree with Jenny McCarthy.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Donald Trump is downright wrong about every single thing he's said about vaccines.

It's curious then that Dr. Ben Carson agreed with Trump that his proposed solution of spreading out vaccinations over a much longer time span is a better plan than current standard practice.

 

[Audacious]

It's curious then that Dr. Ben Carson agreed with Trump that his proposed solution of spreading out vaccinations over a much longer time span is a better plan than current standard practice.

Ben Carson was also wrong.

I listed evidence in my post. Including the largest and most comprehensive study and analysis of the subject.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Ben Carson was also wrong.

I listed evidence in my post. Including the largest and most comprehensive study and analysis of the subject.

I find it curious that anyone would get upset over an alternative vaccine schedule which is just as effective as current standard practice.

Is there no room for individuals to choose their own reasonable alternatives in the world of liberal dogma?

 

[ScottA]

So what do you guys think of the fact that Trump believes multiple crazy conspiracy theories?

He just comes out and says what [almost] everyone else is thinking. Most people do not believe that the world is run by wholesome goodness, but rather by manipulation and dishonesty, leading to all types of shenanigans.

 

[Audacious]

I find it curious that anyone would get upset over an alternative vaccine schedule which is just as effective as current standard practice.

Is there no room for individuals to choose their own reasonable alternatives in the world of liberal dogma?

It isn't just as effective, because it would create a delay in the administering of some vaccines, which would put children at risk for the diseases in question for a longer period of time.

Which diseases would you rather your children be at risk of getting? I hope the answer is "none of them."

 

[pakicetus]

He just comes out and says what [almost] everyone else is thinking. Most people do not believe that the world is run by wholesome goodness, but rather by manipulation and dishonesty, leading to all types of shenanigans.

If he said Obama was secretly a shape-shifting alien reptile, would you believe him? Even if the world is run by manipulation and dishonesty, that doesn't make a random conspiracy theory true or even plausible. The more assumptions a belief has, and the more wild those assumptions are, the more evidence you should need to believe it. Trump's conspiracy theories require you to accept that:

1. Multiple Hawaii newspapers announced Obama's birth in 1961 as part of some orchestrated plot that started before he was born (concocted by powerful people who apparently didn't have the resources to simply take his mom to Hawaii), for purposes that can't include faking his citizenship, since his mom's citizenship would make him an American citizen regardless of where he was born,

2. Almost every climate scientist in the world was conned, threatened, or bribed by China into accepting global warming without any scientists refusing to take part in the conspiracy and blowing the whistle, and

3. The same thing happened with vaccines.

 

[ScottA]

If he said Obama was secretly a shape-shifting alien reptile, would you believe him? Even if the world is run by manipulation and dishonesty, that doesn't make a random conspiracy theory true or even plausible. The more assumptions a belief has, and the more wild those assumptions are, the more evidence you should need to believe it. Trump's conspiracy theories require you to accept that:

1. Multiple Hawaii newspapers announced Obama's birth in 1961 as part of some orchestrated plot that started before he was born (concocted by powerful people who apparently didn't have the resources to simply take his mom to Hawaii), for purposes that can't include faking his citizenship, since his mom's American citizenship would make him a citizen regardless of where he was born,

The greatest problem with this whole issue...is not that the claims are credible. But that it would be so easy to put it to rest, but it has not been. Instead of nipping it in the butt, Obama shows the behavior of a guilty person, hoping the issue will just go away.

2. Almost every climate scientist in the world was conned, threatened, or bribed by China into accepting global warming without any scientists refusing to take part in the conspiracy and blowing the whistle, and

It is simple human nature. A school of thought, especially authoritative thought...follows suit. As a rule, do people generally disagree with their bosses? No. And the next thing you know you are off on a tangent. The jury ain't in yet. But, China is at the epicenter of the problem...so, you might just be reading him wrong.

3. The same thing happened with vaccines.

Worse things have happened. Of course those were all just made up by a bunch of idiots, right? Idiots!

 

[NightHawkeye]

It isn't just as effective, because it would create a delay in the administering of some vaccines, which would put children at risk for the diseases in question for a longer period of time.

Oh please.

The only real issue with the diseases under discussion is herd immunity. That is unaffected by spreading out the time of vaccination ... especially considering that some kids get vaccinated as infants and others not until daycare or school age.

 

[Audacious]

Oh please.

The only real issue with the diseases under discussion is herd immunity. That is unaffected by spreading out the time of vaccination ... especially considering that some kids get vaccinated as infants and others not until daycare or school age.

You're operating off of the idea that you know more about the reasons for the recommended vaccine schedule than the Center for Disease Control.

 

[NightHawkeye]

You're operating off of the idea that you know more about the reasons for the recommended vaccine schedule than the Center for Disease Control.

You're under the assumption that you know better than Dr. Ben Carson. I'll go with his opinion over yours.

 

[pakicetus]

You're under the assumption that you know better than Dr. Ben Carson. I'll go with his opinion over yours.

Audacious didn't cite himself as an authority, but the Centers for Disease Control and a few studies. Ben Carson is a neurosurgeon--how much expertise on vaccines does that really give him? Plus he's running for the Republican nomination, so he has to out-paranoia the other candidates to vie for the votes of a mostly crazy Republican electorate. (If you doubt they're crazy, you should know that right after the 2012 election, Republicans believed two-to-one that Obama had stolen the election with the help of ACORN, which ceased to exist in 2010.)

 

[NightHawkeye]

Audacious didn't cite himself as an authority, but the Centers for Disease Control and a few studies. Also Ben Carson may be a neurosurgeon, but I'm not sure how much expertise in vaccines that gives him.

He's been around long enough to know that in prior years the CDC's vaccination schedule was much more spread out than the current schedule is.

Just because the CDC decided to cluster immunizations into a smaller time schedule does not mean that it was a good idea to do so.

 

[Audacious]

He's been around long enough to know that in prior years the CDC's vaccination schedule was much more spread out than the current schedule is.

Just because the CDC decided to cluster immunizations into a smaller time schedule does not mean that it was a good idea to do so.

The largest study ever done on the subject -- which I linked -- says it is perfectly safe to do so. The American Academy of Pediatrics seems to agree, since they have almost exactly the same vaccine schedule as the CDC does.
AAP: http://redbook.solutions.aap.org/selfserve/ssPage.aspx?SelfServeContentId=Immunization_Schedules
CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf

Ben Carson is disagreeing with at least two of the world's foremost pediatric organizations. His authority is considerably less than theirs; therefore, Carson's views have less weight. Furthermore, he is not an infectious disease expert or immunologist.

Paul Offit, however, is an American pediatrician specializing in vaccines, immunology and virology, and invented a rotavirus vaccine that is credited for saving hundreds of lives on a daily basis. Offit is the Maurice R. Hilleman Professor of Vaccinology, Professor of Pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, Chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases, and the Director of the Vaccine Education Center at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. And he says that the current vaccine schedule is perfectly safe, too.

He links to the AAP's page on immunization for reliable info on vaccines, on the website he runs and curates. http://paul-offit.com/resources/

 

[pakicetus]

I'm still wondering NightHawkEye, does it bother you that Trump believes multiple crazy conspiracy theories? (Not trying to sound menacing BTW)

 

[NightHawkeye]

The largest study ever done on the subject -- which I linked -- says it is perfectly safe to do so.

Thank you for making that distinction.

Saying it is perfectly safe to bunch vaccines into a tight time schedule ... says nothing about it being more effective to do so which is what you claimed earlier.

All it means is that it is more convenient to deliver the vaccines at once ... rather than spacing them out.