Proof That The SPLC Is [b]Ridiculous[/b]!

[LoAmmi]

So you think that labeling Ben Carson officially as an extremist has nothing to do with political correctness and that we are out of line for objecting to it?

I think you have one side making a claim and another side making a claim. The difference is one side is complaining about the ability for the other side to make a claim WHILE they themselves are making a claim. That place wants to label him an extremist. So what? They can do what they want. Does it put social pressure on him to change his view or stop saying it? Sure. But that's social pressure, not legal pressure.

Basically, if you say something and I say what you said is terrible and a bunch of people agree, that does put social pressure on you to stop saying it but unless I have you arrested or something similar you trying to pull out some sort of nebulous concept like "political correctness" is just a hamfisted way to show you cannot refute my points.

And yes, the Nazis did descend into terror, but initially they took a familiar tone. Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order".

People who disagreed were arrested and imprisoned. That is not happening here. It is simply a foolish thing to say.

 

[MikeK]

Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary.

Where specifically was the term "conservative reactionary" used to describe "anyone (everyone) who questioned Nazi high-handed was in the press"? I am aware of the group of people who self-labeled as conservative/reactionary who were supporters of the Nazi movement inside Germany with certain reservations, but I am not aware of that term's use, much less common use of anyone who criticized the Nazi press as you are describing. Primary sources if you will, please.

 

[MikeK]

The only equating of them is that they are groups that have interests in changing the definition of marriage, which is what he was referring to.

You feel differently about President Obama only equating radical Islamists and the Crusaders as sometimes wrongly using religion OT justify acts of violence. Why?

 

[brewmama]

You feel differently about President Obama only equating radical Islamists and the Crusaders as sometimes wrongly using religion OT justify acts of violence. Why?

Where did I say that?

 

[brewmama]

Where specifically was the term "conservative reactionary" used to describe "anyone (everyone) who questioned Nazi high-handed was in the press"? I am aware of the group of people who self-labeled as conservative/reactionary who were supporters of the Nazi movement inside Germany with certain reservations, but I am not aware of that term's use, much less common use of anyone who criticized the Nazi press as you are describing. Primary sources if you will, please.

The main place I can narrow this down to is a letter written by a WW11 vet as a letter to the editor, but it certainly has made the rounds. Until I can find time to research it more, I'll retract it.

 

[brewmama]

You feel differently about President Obama only equating radical Islamists and the Crusaders as sometimes wrongly using religion OT justify acts of violence. Why?

I don't remember addressing that, but since you ask, Obama actually WAS equating them, that was his stated purpose, and he was comparing atrocities committed today with those committed 1000 years go, and he followed the inaccurate but ubiquitous claim that the Crusades were not justified and were not defensive.

Although, your question isn't entirely clear.

 

[MikeK]

Where did I say that?

You didn't. Sorry about that. AMDG and LivingWordUnity and Eastcoast did, but you did not. My apologies. Do you feel it was errant to report that President Obama equated ISIS to the Crusades or do you think that, in context, he did no such thing and that the press reports, like those of Dr Carson's "Nazi" comments, were overblown and without much in the way of substance?

The main place I can narrow this down to is a letter written by a WW11 vet as a letter to the editor, but it certainly has made the rounds. Until I can find time to research it more, I'll retract it.

Fair enough, let me know what you find. Conservative/Reactionaries were loyal Nazis as I recall, albeit with a slightly different bent. What those differences were I don't specifically recall.

 

[MikeK]

I don't remember addressing that, but since you ask, Obama actually WAS equating them, that was his stated purpose, and he was comparing atrocities committed today with those committed 1000 years go, and he followed the inaccurate but ubiquitous claim that the Crusades were not justified and were not defensive.

Although, your question isn't entirely clear.

Oops, cross-posting. I don't think President Obama equated the Crusaders and ISIS at all, he specifically mentioned acts of violence in the name of Christ during the Crusades, while not commenting on the Crusades or Crusaders in a general sense. I don't recall him making any statement at all about the offensive or defensive nature of te Crusades or on whether they were justified in a general sense or not.

 

[brewmama]

Oops, cross-posting. I don't think President Obama equated the Crusaders and ISIS at all, he specifically mentioned acts of violence in the name of Christ during the Crusades, while not commenting on the Crusades or Crusaders in a general sense. I don't recall him making any statement at all about the offensive or defensive nature of te Crusades or on whether they were justified in a general sense or not.

OK, I'll grant you that.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Ben Carson is a Christianist extremist.

 

[MikeK]

Ben Carson is a Christianist extremist.

What is a Christianist?

 

[Metal Minister]

What is a Christianist?

I think it's supposed to be a play on "islamist" extremist. I think he's either making a joke or comparing him to someone who cuts off people's head and straps bombs to children. Not sure which, hard to tell in text...

 

[Maynard Keenan]

If an Islamist is anyone who wants their society to be governed under the religious law of Islam (that's how the term is used), then a Christianist is anyone who wants their society to be governed under the religious law of Christianity.