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Proof that the Bible is NOT corrupted and is reliable.

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I will prove it once and for all and get it done & over with.
Christianity is about Jesus and the Bible. To prove that Christianity is fallible/falsifiable, you have to prove that the Bible is not reliable. To do that also, there are 3 tests for the Bible.



[1] Bibliographical Test: this test is an examination of the textual transmission/translation by which documents reach us. In other words, how reliable are the copies (not the original) in regard to the manuscripts (MSS) and the time interval between the original and extant copy?

The history of Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) is available to us from just eight MSS dated about A.D. 900, almost 1,300 years after he wrote. The MSS of the history of Herodotus are likewise late and scarce, and yet, as F. F. Bruce concludes, "No classical scholar would listen to an argument that the authenticity of Herodotus or Thuscydides is in doubt because the earliest MSS of their works which are of use to us are over 1,300 years later than the original." [F. F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? (Downers Grove, IL 60515:InterVarsity Press, 1964), pp. 16 f.; p. 33.]

Aristotle wrote his poetics around 343 B.C. and yet the earliest copy we have is dated A.D. 1100, nearly a 1,400-year gap, and only five MSS are in existence.

Caesar composed his history of the Gallic Wars between 58 and 50 B.C. and its MSS authority rests on 9 or 10 copies dating 1,000 years after his death.

When it comes to the MSS authority of the New Testamen (NT), the abundance of material is almost embarrassing in contrast. After the early papyri MSS discoveries that bridged the gap between the times of Christ and the second century, an abundance of other MSS came to light. Over 20,000 copies of the NT MSS are in existence today. The Iliad has 643 MSS and is second in MSS authority after the NT.



[2] Internal Evidence Test: At this point, the literary critic still follows Aristotle's dictum: "The benefit of the doubt is to be given to the document itself, not arrogated by the critic to himself." In other words, as John W. Montogemery summarizes: "One must listen to the claims of the document under analysis, and not assume fraud or error unless the author disqualified himself by contradictions or known factual inaccuracies." [John Warwick Montgomery, History and Christianity (Downers Grove IL: InterVarsity Press, 1971), p. 29.]

This "ability to tell the truth" is closely related to the witness's nearness both geographically and chronologically to the events recorded. The NT accounts of the life and teaching of Jesus were recorded by men who had been wither eyewitnesses themselves or who related the accounts of eyewitnesses of the actual events or teachings of Christ.

Luke 1:1-3 - "Inasmuch as many have under taken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as those who from beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word have handed them down to us, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most exellent Theophilus"

2 Peter 1:16 - "For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitensses of His majesty."

Lawrence J. mcGinley of Saint Peter's College comments on the value of hostile witnesses in relationship to recorded events: "First of all, eyewtnesses of the events in question were still alive when the tradition had been completely formed; and among those eyewitnesses were bitter enemies of the new religious movement. Yet the tradition claimed to narrade a series of well-known deeds and publicly taught doctrines at a time when false statements could, and would, be challanged" [Lawrence J. McGinley, From Criticism of the synoptic Haling Narratives (Woodstock, Maryland: Woodstock College Press, 1944), p. 25.]

Will Durant, who was trained in the discipline of historical investigation and spent his life analyzing records of antiquity, writes: "Despite the prejudices and theological preconceptions of the evangelists, they record many incidents that mere inventors would have concealed -- the competition of the apostles for high places in the Kingdom, their flight after Jesus' arrest, Peter's denial, the failure of Christ to work miracles in Galilee, the references of some auditors to his possibel insanity, his early uncertainty as to his mission, his confessions of ignorance as to the future, his moments of bitterness, his despairing cry on the cross; no one reading these scenes can dount the reality of the future behind them. That a few simple men would in one generation have invented so power full and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic, and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle remain reasonably clear, and constitute the most fascination affeature in the history of Western man" [Will Durant, Caesar and Christ, the story of civiliazation, Vol. 3 (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1963), p. 557.]



[3] External Evidence Test: The issue here is whether other historical material confirms or denies the internal testimony of the documents themselves.

Two friends of the Apostle John confirm the internal evidence from John's account. The historian Eusebius preserves writings of Papias, bishop of Hierapolis (A.D. 130): "The Elder [Apostle John] used to say this: 'Mark, having been the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately all that he [Peter] mentioned, whether sayings or doings of Christ, not, however, in order. For he was neither a hearer nor a companion of the Lord; but afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who adapted his teachings as necessity required, not as though he were making a compilation of the sayings of the Lord. So then Mark made no mistake, writing down in this way some things as he mentioned them; for he paid attention to this one thing not to omit anything that he had heard, not to include any false statement among them." [Eusebius. Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Chapter 39.]

"Archaeology has confirmed countless passages which have been rejected by critics as unhistorical or contradictory to known facts." [Joseph Free, Archaeology and Bible History (Wheaton, IL: Scripture Press, 1969), p.1]

A. N. Sherwin-White, a classical historian, writes that "for Acts the confirmations of historicity is overwhelming." He continues by saying that "any attempt to reject its basic historicity even in matters of detail must now appear absurd. Roman historians have long taken it for granted" [A. N. Sherwin-White, Roman Society and Roman Law in the New Testament (Oxford:Clarendon Press, 1963), p. 189]



After personally trying to shatter the historicity and validity of the Scriptures, I have come to the conclusion that they are historically trustworthy. If a person discards the Bible as unreliable in this sense, then he or she must discard almost all literature of antiquity. One problem I constantly have is the desire on the part of many to apply one standard or test to secular literature and another to the Bible. We need to apply the same test, whether the literature under investigation is secular or religious. Have done this, I believe we can say, "The Bibel is trustworthy and historically reliable in its witness about Jesus."
 

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1. Easter

The word Easter is derived from Ashteroth, the Queen of Heaven [Jeremiah 7:18]. According to the tradition of Easter Jesus was crucified on a Friday. The timeline indicates that the crucifixion occurred on a Wednesday.

Crucifixion timeline:
Wednesday Evening: [Matthew 27:57] High sabbath following the passover begins.
Joseph of Arimathea puts the body in his own tomb [Matthew 27:60].
The women observe the body being laid in the tomb [Luke 23:55].
Thursday Evening: High sabbath ends.
The women return and prepare spices and ointments [Luke 23:56].
Friday Evening: The sabbath begins.
The women rest [Luke 23:56].
Saturday Evening: The sabbath ends.
Sunday Morning: Mary visits the tomb [Matthew 28:1].

2. The Sign of Jonah

An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah: For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
[Matthew 12:39-40]

The sign of Jonah is absent from the gospel of Mark [Mark 8:12]

3. John

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
This he said, signifying what death he should die.
[John 12:33]

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[John 3:14]

The serpent that was lifted up in the wilderness was made of brass; i.e. it was a substitute for a living serpent [Num 21:8-9].

4. Matthew

The gospel of Matthew tells of the thirty pieces of silver being a fulfilment of the prophet Jeremiah. [Matthew 27:9] However, the prophecy was made by the prophet Zechariah [Zechariah 11:12].

5. Paul

In the gospel of Matthew, Judas hangs himself [Matthew 27:5]. The other three gospels are silent on this matter. In the book of Acts, Judas falls headlong in a field and disembowels himself [Acts 1:18] (which is in itself highly improbable).

6. The Wine

The Messiah promised his followers that he would not drink wine or vinegar until the time of the kingdom. The accounts of Matthew and Mark disagree as to what kind of wine was rejected. Also there is a descrepancy in the events surrounding the consumption of vinegar in the final scene.

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
[Matthew 26:29]

They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted [thereof], he would not drink.
[Matthew 27:34]

And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received [it] not.
[Mark 15:23]

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Some of them that stood there, when they heard [that], said, This [man] calleth for Elias.
And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled [it] with vinegar, and put [it] on a reed, and gave him to drink.
The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[Matthew 27:46-50]

After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put [it] upon hyssop, and put [it] to his mouth.
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
[John 19:28-30]

7. The Deliverance

He trusted on YHWH [that] he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
[Psalm 22:8]

Many [are] the afflictions of the righteous: but YHWH delivereth him out of them all.
[Psalm 34:19]

But the salvation of the righteous is of YHWH: he is their strength in the time of trouble. And YHWH shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.
[Psalm 37:39-40]

8. The Sacrifice

The idea of the sacrifice of a child had never entered the mind of YHWH. [Jeremiah 19:5] So who was the Psalmist speaking of?

O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.
[Psalm 69:5]

Thou hast known my reproach, and my shame, and my dishonour: mine adversaries [are] all before thee.
Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked [for some] to take pity, but [there was] none; and for comforters, but I found none.
They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
[Psalms 69:19-21]

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?
[Psalms 22:1]

But I [am] a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
[Psalms 22:6]

9. The Explantion

You hear that I suffered, yet I suffered not; and that I suffered not, yet did I suffer; and that I was pierced , yet I was not wounded; that I was hanged, yet I was not hanged; that blood flowed from me; yet it did not flow, and, in a word, that what they say of me, I did not endure, but what they do not say, those things I did suffer.

From the Mystery of the Cross, from the Acts of John.
 
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Fire said:
1. Easter

The word Easter is derived from Ashteroth, the Queen of Heaven [Jeremiah 7:18].

I hate to butt in, but no it's not. It's derived from Ostara, an Anglo-Saxon fertility goddess.

Edit: Unless, somehow, they're the same person. I doubt it, though.
 
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[font=Verdana, Arial]ISHTAR (pronounced EASTER) of Assyria was worshiped in Pagan Antiquity during her spring festival! Collier’s Encyclopedia, 1980, Volume 15, page 748, gives us this information: [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]Ishtar, goddess of love and war, the most important goddess of the Sumero-Akkadian pantheon. Her name in Sumerian is Inanna (lady of heaven). She was sister of the sun god Shamash and daughter of the moon god Sin. Ishtar was equated with the planet Venus. Her symbol was a star inscribed in a circle. As goddess of war, she was often represented sitting upon a lion. As goddess of physical love, she was patron of the temple prostitutes. She was also considered the merciful mother who intercedes with the gods on behalf of her worshipers. Throughout Mesopotamian history she was worshiped under various names in many cities; one of the chief centers of her cult was Uruk.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]Astarte of Phoenicia was the offshoot of Ishtar of Assyria. To the Hebrews, this abomination was known as Ashtoreth__Ashtoroth. From Collier’s Encyclopedia, Volume 3, page 13, we read:
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[font=Verdana, Arial]ASHTAROTH [Æ(terath] the plural of the Hebrew ‘Ashto-reth, the Phoenician-Canaanite goddess Astarte, deity of fertility, reproduction, and war . The use of the plural form probably indicates a general designation for the collective female deities of the Canaanites, just as the plural Baalim refer to the male deities.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]Watson’s Biblical and Archaeological Dictionary, 1833, tells us more about this mother goddess, Ashtaroth:[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]ASHTAROTH, or ASTARTE, a goddess of the Zidonians. The word Ashtaroth properly signifies flocks of sheep, or goats; and sometimes the grove, or woods, because she was goddess of woods, and groves were her temples. In groves consecrated to her, such lasciviousness was committed as rendered her worship infamous. She was also called the queen of heaven; and sometimes her worship is said to be that of ‘‘the host of heaven.’’ She was certainly represented in the same manner as Isis, with cow’s horns on her head, to denote the increase and decrease of the moon. Cicero calls her the fourth Venus of the Syrians. She is almost always joined with Baal, and is called a god, the scriptures having no particular word to express a goddess. [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]It is believed that the moon was adored in this idol. Her temples generally accompanied those of the sun; and while bloody sacrifices or human victims were offered to Baal, bread, liquors, and perfumes were presented to Astarte. For her, tables were prepared upon the flat terrace-roofs of houses, near gates, in porches, and at crossways, on the first day of every month; and this was called by the Greeks, Hecate’s supper. Solomon, seduced by his foreign wives, introduced the worship of Ashtaroth into Israel; but Jezebel, daughter of the king of Tyre, and wife to Ahab, principally established her worship. She caused altars to be erected to this idol in every part of Israel; and at one time four hundred priests attended the worship of Ashtaroth, I Kings xviii. 7.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]The Interpreter’s Dictionary, Volume 3, page 975, tells us of Ishtar’s role as The Queen of Heaven:[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]Ishtar, the goddess of love and fertility, who was identified with the Venus Star and is actually entitled ‘‘Mistress of Heaven’’ in the Amarna tablets. The difficulty is that the Venus Star was regarded in Palestine as a male deity (see DAY STAR), though the cult of the goddess Ishtar may have been introduced from Mesopotamia under Manasseh. It is possible that Astarte, or ASHTORETH, the Canaanite fertility-goddess, whose cult was well established in Palestine, had preserved more traces of her astral character as the female counterpart of Athtar than the evidence of the O.T. or the Ras Shamra texts indicates. The title ‘‘Queen of Heaven’’ is applied in an Egyptian inscription from the Nineteenth Dynasty at Beth-shan to ‘‘Antit,’’ the Canaanite fertility-goddess Anat, who is termed ‘‘Queen of Heaven and Mistress of the Gods.’’ This is the most active goddess in the Ras Shamra Texts, but in Palestine her functions seem to have been taken over largely by Ashtoreth.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]We find this information about Ashtoreth from The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1979, Volume 1, pages 319-320:

[/font] [font=Verdana, Arial]ASHTORETH ash’te-reth [Heb. ‘astoret. pl. ‘astarôt; Gk. Astarte]. A goddess of Canaan and Phoenicia whose name and cult were derived from Babylonia, where Ishtar represented the evening and morning stars and was accordingly androgynous in origin. Under Semitic influence, however, she became solely female, although retaining a trace of her original character by standing on equal footing with the male divinities. From Babylonia the worship of the goddess was carried to the Semites of the West, and in most instances the feminine suffix was attached to her name; where this was not the case the deity was regarded as a male. On the Moabite Stone, for example, ‘Ashtar is identified with Chemosh, and in the inscriptions of southern Arabia ‘Athtar is a god. On the other hand, in the name Atargatis (2 Macc. 12:26), ‘Atar, without the feminine suffix, is identified with the goddess ‘Athah or ‘Athi (Gk. Gatis). The cult of the Greek Aphrodite in Cyprus was borrowed from that of Ashtoreth; that the Greek name also is a modification of Ashtoreth is doubtful. It is maintained, however, that the vowels of Heb. ‘astoret were borrowed from boset (‘‘shame’’) in order to indicate the abhorrence the Hebrew scribes felt toward paganism and idolatry. [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]In Babylonia and Assyria Ishtar was the goddess of love and war. An old Babylonian legend relates how the descent of Ishtar into Hades in search of her dead husband Tammuz was followed by the cessation of marriage and birth in both earth and heaven; and the temples of the goddess at Nineveh and Arbela, around which the two cities afterward grew, were dedicated to her as the goddess of war. As such she appeared to one of Ashurbanipal’s seers and encouraged the Assyrian king to march against Elam. The other goddesses of Babylonia, who were little more than reflections of a god, tended to merge into Ishtar, who thus became a type of the female divinity, a personification of the productive principle in nature, and more especially the mother and creatress of mankind. [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial]In Babylonia Ishtar was identified with Venus. Like Venus, Ishtar was the goddess of erotic love and fertility. Her chief seat of worship was Uruk (Erech), where prostitution was practiced in her name and she was served with immoral rites by bands of men and women. In Assyria, where the warlike side of the goddess was predominant, no such rites seem to have been practiced, and instead prophetesses to whom she delivered oracles were attached to her temples. [/font]
 
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I like how you missed out the bit of Jesus being raised on a pole - which I refuted in your removed "switched sacrifice" thread.

So, now I'm gonna do it again:

8. The Sacrifice

The idea of the sacrifice of a child had never entered the mind of YHWH. [Jeremiah 19:5]

3 and say, 'Hear the word of the LORD , O kings of Judah and people of Jerusalem. This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Listen! I am going to bring a disaster on this place that will make the ears of everyone who hears of it tingle. 4 For they have forsaken me and made this a place of foreign gods; they have burned sacrifices in it to gods that neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah ever knew, and they have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind. 6 So beware, the days are coming, declares the LORD , when people will no longer call this place Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.

So, right - the subject of the Jews sacrificing their own sons had never entered the mind of God - That's the Jews - he does not say that he would not scrifice his own son for the sins of many. Great thing to quote out of context - again.

So who was the Psalmist speaking of?

O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.
[Psalm 69:5]

Has nothing to do with that verse from Jeremiah.
 
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Fire said:
Easter

The word Easter is derived from Ashteroth, the Queen of Heaven [Jeremiah
7:18]. According to the tradition of Easter Jesus was crucified on a Friday. The timeline indicates that the crucifixion occurred on a Wednesday




lokisdottir said:
I hate to butt in, but no it's not. It's derived from Ostara, an Anglo-Saxon fertility goddess.

Edit: Unless, somehow, they're the same person. I doubt it, though.
both names can probably be traced back to a root Indo-European Goddess.



The northern European traditions of Easter are more clearly traceable to Ostara with such paraphernalia as lilies, rabbits and painted eggs.
 
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NOTW said:
ITo prove that Christianity is fallible/falsifiable, you have to prove that the Bible is not reliable. To do that also, there are 3 tests for the Bible.

What if we just think the myths of Christianity are inapplicable?



[1] Bibliographical Test: this test is an examination of the textual transmission/translation by which documents reach us. In other words, how reliable are the copies (not the original) in regard to the manuscripts (MSS) and the time interval between the original and extant copy?

Which is not proof of accuracy or infallibility at all but rather sad evidence of Christianity’s attempt to destroy any literature, history and philosophy that it did not create. So few of the documents you mention exist because the Church purposefully destroyed them.



[2] Internal Evidence Test: At this point, the literary critic still follows Aristotle's dictum: "The benefit of the doubt is to be given to the document itself, not arrogated by the critic to himself." In other words, as John W. Montogemery summarizes: "One must listen to the claims of the document under analysis, and not assume fraud or error unless the author disqualified himself by contradictions or known factual inaccuracies." [John Warwick Montgomery, History and Christianity (Downers Grove IL: InterVarsity Press, 1971), p. 29.]





Internal consistency, which as Fire pointed out the bible is not internally constant is not a sign of accuracy or infallibility.



This "ability to tell the truth" is closely related to the witness's nearness both geographically and chronologically to the events recorded. The NT accounts of the life and teaching of Jesus were recorded by men who had been wither eyewitnesses themselves or who related the accounts of eyewitnesses of the actual events or teachings of Christ.


Yet there exists no independent writings about the life and times of Jesus. Dozens of historians were living and writing at the supposed time of Jesus of Nazareth…yet not one mentions him or the many miracles associated with him.

There is no record of the slaughter of the innocent for example.

No record of anyone fitting the description of Jesus being executed

No record of the sun darkening during the crucifixion

No record of the thousands who supposedly witnessed the assertion

No record of the sermon on the mount.










In the future try doing actual research and not just selectively cutting and pasting the work of others
 
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S Walch said:
I like how you missed out the bit of Jesus being raised on a pole - which I refuted in your removed "switched sacrifice" thread.
I hope you appreciate the difference between telling the truth and bashing Christians. I would seem that the moderator did not.

So, right - the subject of the Jews sacrificing their own sons had never entered the mind of God - That's the Jews - he does not say that he would not scrifice his own son for the sins of many.

Yes you are correct in pointing out the the scope of my statement was too wide. But the Messianic prophecy was that he would be cut off from the land of the living, not that he would be a sacrifice.

Great thing to quote out of context - again.
Whate else are you referring to?
 
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I hope you appreciate the difference between telling the truth and bashing Christians. I would seem that the moderator did not.

You weren't telling any truths. I don't know why the moderator removed your thread - but we're told not to question the act of moderators - So I'm not going to.

Fire said:
S Walch said:
Great thing to quote out of context - again.
Whate else are you referring to?

In your thread when you quoted about the snake that was lifted on a pole - you posted it out of context to what Jesus was refering to in matthew.
 
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S Walch said:
You weren't telling any truths.
What did I say that was not true?

In your thread when you quoted about the snake that was lifted on a pole - you posted it out of context to what Jesus was refering to in matthew.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
This he said, signifying what death he should die.
[John 12:33]

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[John 3:14]

The serpent that was lifted up in the wilderness was made of brass; i.e. it was a substitute for a living serpent [Num 21:8-9].

So what do you think is not true about what I said? And why do you think that the context is incorrect?
 
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Fire said:
The question is not whether the Bible is inerrant but rather what is the cause of the errors. Jesus did not die on the cross. Judas was transformed and took his place.

Prove it

By the way do you mean 'transformed' or 'transferred'?
 
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The word Easter is derived from Ashteroth, the Queen of Heaven [Jeremiah 7:18]. According to the tradition of Easter Jesus was crucified on a Friday. The timeline indicates that the crucifixion occurred on a Wednesday.
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The Easter festival's name in the English and German languages, and much of the symbolism now commonly associated with Easter in English-speaking countries but not in all traditionally Christian countries, are alleged to derive from Eostre, an alleged Germanic pagan fertility goddess, if a remark by the 8th century English historian the Venerable Bede to that effect is to be believed. Her primary festival, according to Bede, fell in the spring during her month, Eostremonat. According to the Bede, the word "Easter" is derived from the Old Norse Ostara or Eostre, a festival of spring at the vernal equinox, March 21, when nature is in resurrection after winter, hence, the symbolism of rabbits, notable for their fecundity, and the eggs, colored like rays of the returning sun and the aurora borealis. The Easter Bunny is clearly a Western European tradition and has never been adopted by Orthodox Christians, showing as false the claim that the entire holiday is some sort of "Germanic Heathen" festival. Some historians assert that Bede falsely concluded the existence of goddess Eostre from the unquestionably real month name Eostremonat, as any references to such a goddess from other Germanic sources are missing. Children roll easter eggs in England and America but not in all traditionally Christian countries. They hunt the many-colored Easter eggs, brought by the Easter Bunny. Hidden in the play are, it has been argued, the vestiges of a fertility rite, the eggs and the rabbit both symbolizing fertility. (A rabbit, furthermore, was sometimes said to be the escort of the goddess, but there are no pre-19th century sources for this.) However, such claims ignore at least as ancient use of eggs as symbolic gifts among the Persians and Jews.

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According to some authors on demonology, Astaroth is a king of Hell, being Lucifer the Emperor and Satan a seducer of women; his main assistants are three demons called Aamon, Pruslas and Barbatos. In art, in the Dictionnaire Infernal, Astaroth is depicted as a nude man with dragon-like wings, hands and feet, a second pair of feathered wings after the main, wearing a crown, holding a serpent in one hand, and riding a wolf or dog. According to Sebastian Michaelis he is a demon of the First Hierarchy, who seduces by means of laziness and vanity, and his adversary is St. Bartholomew, who can protect against him for he has resisted Astaroth's temptations. To others, he teaches mathematical sciences and handicrafts, can make men invisible and lead them to hidden treasures, and answers every question formulated to him.

Queen of Heaven//King of Hell...an angelic drag queen?
 
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Fire said:
Ever heard of shapeshifters?
Why did Paul's story about the fate of Judas differ from Matthews?

What does the fact that I've heard of them got to do with this?

I've also heard of lots of other things that don't exist; Klingons, tribbles, etc.

Somehow because I've 'heard of them' this proves your allegation? LOL
 
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