Proof that Gay Relationships are Wrong

[Memento Mori]

Matt - it comes from being tired of being treated second class and being told that my LOVE is wrong. Cause it isn't.

HisAgain - Thanks, but no, I won't lose Christ. I am talking to a really sweet guy who has been a gay Christian for years. Being gay and allowing myself to love doesn't send me down a spiraling path to Hell, immorality, or anything of the like.

You are already undermining Sacred Scripture by suggesting its views on love are outdated.

 

[AureateDawn]

That is your belief on the Spirit, Monica.

I am not putting a relationship with another guy before God. God comes first. As I said, it is not separate. I can love and be close to and worship and praise God AND be in a relationship.

I'm not screwing around and not just having a "temporary breakdown" as I have had before. I've made the decision, and I'm OK with it. For once I want to get myself healthy. I care about myself and I'm not self-deprecating. For once.

 

[Monica child of God 1]

That is your belief on the Spirit, Monica.

Yes, this is my belief because I am an Orthodox Christian. If I was something else, sure, I could make up all sorts of things to believe, especially if they felt good and suited me. But I am Orthodox, which means that I believe in the Orthodox Church and the Orthodox Faith.

Have you ever noticed that when we recite the Creed, we say "I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church?" That is right, we believe in the Church. It is not optional.

I am not putting a relationship with another guy before God. God comes first. As I said, it is not separate. I can love and be close to and worship and praise God AND be in a relationship.

You cannot love God and disobey God at the same time. That is illogical. You cannot set yourself up as an authority and have God as your authority. You cannot put the words you want to hear in God's mouth. Yahweh will not be your idol and do your bidding. You might be worshiping some god, but it is not the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I'm not screwing around and not just having a "temporary breakdown" as I have had before. I've made the decision, and I'm OK with it. For once I want to get myself healthy. I care about myself and I'm not self-deprecating. For once.

You can be "ok" with it. Just know that you cannot do this and be Christian. Period. Gay relationships are not healthy. They go against every single thing that God has said about marriage.

M.

 

[Kvikklunsj]

What's that verse about gaining the whole world but losing your soul...

 

[AureateDawn]

I can obey God, yes, in a gay relationship. Your Church and others think I am disobeying Him. So I am not contradicting my own self for my own beliefs.

And yes, I CAN be gay and be Christian. Period. There are tons of people like that who are GREAT Christians. And I can be one, too. ANd the relationship can be just as healthy as a straight one.

 

[Monica child of God 1]

What's that verse about gaining the whole world but losing your soul...

For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? --Matthew 16:26

 

[AureateDawn]

I'm not giving my soul up. Gay + CHristian = Possible.

 

[Monica child of God 1]

I can obey God, yes, in a gay relationship. Your Church and others think I am disobeying Him. So I am not contradicting my own self for my own beliefs.

And yes, I CAN be gay and be Christian. Period. There are tons of people like that who are GREAT Christians. And I can be one, too. ANd the relationship can be just as healthy as a straight one.

What does your deity say about gay sex? Quote this "god" please.

M.

 

[AureateDawn]

I believe in God. In Christ. I am Orthodox, in fact. At least for now, til/if other paths are necessary.

You are guided by your own self, your own beliefs, morals... I believe in waiting til marriage/commitment ceremony. So does the guy I like. WHo is Christian.

See? Gays can have Christian morals!

"If it harm none, do what ye will"

 

[Monica child of God 1]

. So I am not contradicting my own self for my own beliefs.

Justin is Justin's authority on what is right for Justin. Bible, Church, Saints, and canons be damned, huh?

M.

 

[AureateDawn]

Bible, Church, Saints, and canons be damned, huh?

M.

Nope. All can be learned from. All have much wisdom. Just like the Bhagavad Gita, for an example, or the Qu'ran, can be learned from and contains wisdom.

 

[Monica child of God 1]

I believe in waiting til marriage/commitment ceremony. So does the guy I like. WHo is Christian.

See? Gays can have Christian morals!

"If it harm none, do what ye will"

No, honey. Planning to go against the witness of the Church and the testimony of Scripture in the future does not make it moral. It will still be an immoral, illicit act a year or 10 years from now.

And it harms the witness of Christ and the Church. That is what marriage mirrors according to Ephesians: Christ and His bride. Gay sex is not an icon for anything. It is a lie.

M.

 

[AureateDawn]

And I respect your belief on that, Monica. The great thing is we all are unique and come to God in different ways.

 

[Monica child of God 1]

And I respect your belief on that, Monica. The great thing is we all are unique and come to God in different ways.

With each post you are drifting further and further away from the Faith that you professed at your baptism and closer to idolatry and enthroning yourself as pope.

M.

 

[AureateDawn]

With each post you are drifting further and further away from the Faith that you professed at your baptism and closer to idolatry and enthroning yourself as pope.

M.

No. I am loving God, drawing near to Him, going further in my journey with Him, am loving others, and allowing myself to be loved without thinking it's a sin.

 

[Gwendolyn]

Justin, at this point, it feels like you are purposely being inflammatory by saying things like this when you already know that everyone here disagrees with you. They care deeply enough to pray for you, to be there for you and support you in your pain. Don't cheapen their affection for you by trying to make Orthodoxy into something that conforms to your beliefs. You already know that it is the self who ought to conform to Christ, not Christ and His Church who ought to conform to the desires of the self.

I acknowledge your desire for love and affection... but I do think that there is a part of you who does know that true joy does not stem from any of this. It runs deeper than fleeting emotion. The heart is restless until it rests in the Lord, to paraphrase St. Augustine.

My heart aches for you in your loneliness. It truly does. I identify with that emptiness more than you know...

 

[127.0.0.1]

Don't leave the OC Justin. Look at me! We know I differ on various issues, but I wouldn't dream of leaving the OC because of my beliefs and more, not in-spite of them. Besides, why would you want to leave a Church that has Apastolic Sucession? We have the real Eucharist!

 

[Michael G]

Gay sex is not an icon for anything. It is a lie.

M.

It is an invitation to a great number of both physical and moral disorders.

 

[Barky]

this thread is a joke. Justin wants attention and we're giving it to him. I'll pray for you.

 

[gzt]

Repeatedly saying it's all right doesn't make it so. You're perfectly free to your opinion, that's certainly your prerogative, but it's not something that's up for debate in the Church. But, good grief, you're 18, you probably shouldn't be dating anyway, so why is this coming up just now?