Proof that evolution does not occur

[npetreley]

Well, at least it doesn't occur in evolutionist arguments. For example, it's been more than 100 years and you evolutionists still haven't evolved your strategies to discredit the Bible into something more credible and substantial.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c034.html

The idea that the earth is flat is a modern concoction that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, an American history professor says.

Jeffrey Burton Russell is a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara. He says in his book Inventing the Flat Earth (written for the 500th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's journey to America in 1492) that through antiquity and up to the time of Columbus, "nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical."

Russell says there is nothing in the documents from the time of Columbus or in early accounts of his life that suggests any debate about the roundness of the earth. He believes a major source of the myth came from the creator of the Rip Van Winkle story-Washington Irving-who wrote a fictitious account of Columbus's defending a round earth against misinformed clerics and university professors.

But Russell says the flat earth mythology flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. He says the flat-earth myth was an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.

 

[AtheistArchon]

- Wow, you guys must have a lot of stamina in this forum.    With threads like this, you must.

 

[D. Scarlatti]

Why engage the refutations of previous threads you've started and abandoned when it's so much more convenient to just keeping starting more straw threads like this one.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

OK, Nick. We promise not to use this argument any more. Did it have anything to do with the scientific theory of evolution in the first place?

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by LiveFreeOrDie
OK, Nick. We promise not to use this argument any more. Did it have anything to do with the scientific theory of evolution in the first place?

If it didn't why did you evolutionists bring it up?

 

[npetreley]

By the way, I can't help but find it exremely ironic that the person who concocted this anti-Bible lie was the author of a famous fairy tale. No, I'm not talking about evolution, I'm talking about one that is more believable -- Rip Van Winkle.

 

[Jerry Smith]

I find it ironic that what Christians believe about the Bible has become so much more important to you than the plain meaning of the text...

 

[D. Scarlatti]

From petreley's latest fascinating internet find:

Evolutionists often falsely accuse creationists of believing in a flat Earth.

Stuff that strawman, petreley, stuff it.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by npetreley


If it didn't why did you evolutionists bring it up?

Um, I think it came up in the context of a discussion about the Bible.

 

[Sauron]

Originally posted by npetreley


If it didn't why did you evolutionists bring it up?

They didn't.  People opposed to the idea of biblical inerrancy did.
Hint:  not the same.

Hint #2:  atheists don't agree on this, either:

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/flat_earth_review_russell.html

I have read Ethical Atheist's study of the idea of the flat earth with great respect as well as great interest.  It advances the state of the question considerably, and it is, as all scholarship should be, open-minded in treating the evidence.  I shall be revising my own book in one way or another to accommodate its insights.  Though we continue to disagree on some important points (the evidence still, I think, supports my view that some Darwinists used the flat-earth myth as a weapon against conservative Christians), we do agree on almost all the other points.  I am going to re-examine the ambiguity of some of the Church Fathers on the subject; also, work needs to be done on the reception of the Letronne-Irving views in the late 1840s-1850s.  Though I was able, at Stanford, to check US textbooks back to the 1860s, texts before then are very scarce, and I have also not examined many European textbooks.  The decade of the 1850s thus needs filling in.  Of course all Darwinists did not use this crude weapon against Christianity (though many did), and contemporary atheists such as Richard Dawkins (who has not to my knowledge mentioned it) and Stephen Jay Gould (who specifically accepts the evidence that the flat earth in the Middle Ages is a myth) do not make this mistake.  I do not mean to imply that Irving and Letronne were in a conspiracy.  Nor do I imply that Boorstin is evil: he is simply a very lazy historian relying on his fame to avoid looking at original sources.  I welcome Ethical Atheist's new e-book and any further discussion based on evidence."
       - Jeffrey B. Russell, 5/10/2002, author of "Inventing the Flat Earth" [1] and Professor of History, Emeritus, University of California, Santa Barbara

 

[Sauron]

Originally posted by D. Scarlatti
From petreley's latest fascinating internet find:



Stuff that strawman, petreley, stuff it.

Indeed.  What sloppy nonsense; evolutionists say nothing of the kind. 

What those who reject biblical inerrancy "accuse" here, is that the bible (esp. the OT and the book of Genesis) is written with a Mesopotamian world view, which was a flat-earth worldview.  But that's a discussion of the worldview of civilizations 4,000 years ago - not a discussion of what modern-day creationists might believe. 

Perhaps "ChristianAnswers.Net" should rename itself to ChristianStrawmanFactory.Net.  Providing, of course, that the new name doesn't impinge on Slippery Nick's personal trademark.....

 

[RufusAtticus]

Nick, from your own source: "nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical."

But I have yet to see anyone bring up flat-earthism to claim otherwise.

The issue is the level of education among the masses, not educated elite, who had access to the natural philosophers of the ancient mediteranian.

Now, do your sources offer any evidence that the Ancient Hebrews who composed the OT had any knowledge of a spherical earth? Otherwise, it's hardly meaningful for any subject at hand.

 

[platzapS]

Though this proves that evolutions may sometimes characterize creationists in an undesirable way, it doesn't at all prove that evolution does not occur.

 

[Orihalcon]

Originally posted by npetreley
Well, at least it doesn't occur in evolutionist arguments.

hm... might it be the fact that... i don't know, it has nothing to do with evolution?

so... creationists didn't believe the earth was flat, therefore evolution is wrong?