Proof by implication from Christ that homosexuality is a sin

[Soldat_fur_Christ]

I have prove from the Bible that Jesus condemns homosexuality by implication, read this passage from the ESV:
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Mat 19:4​

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He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, ​

Mat 19:5​

and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh'?​

Mat 19:6​

So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

By quoting the beginning of Genesis, Jesus shows us that marriage is between a Man and a Woman. By the very implication of that fact, Jesus is against homosexuality.

Not a man, and a man, nor a woman, and a woman.

KJV
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1Co 5:11​

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

By implication, you're fornicating every time you have sex with another person who is not your marriage partner. This includes homosexual and heterosexual acts.

We are all sinners, but you need to see your sin. If you don't repent you will not be in heaven someday, you're living in a satanic fantasy and a lie to believe that God created you to be a homosexual. God is a God of love, but His love includes His judgment, and he absolutely HATES sin. We're all guilty, and we all deserve hell, but a person who isn't living with a repenting faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is deceived by Satan. I'll use the infamous 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 passage that you guys deny. I did some research today into the two different words that back up behind the ones found. Here we go:
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1Co 6:9​

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(2228) Know1492 ye not3756 that3754 the unrighteous94 shall not3756 inherit2816 the kingdom932 of God?2316 Be not3361 deceived:4105 neither3777 fornicators,4205 nor3777 idolaters,1496 nor3777 adulterers,3432 nor3777 effeminate,3120 nor3777 abusers of themselves with mankind,733​

1Co 6:10​

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Nor3777 thieves,2812 nor3777 covetous,4123 nor3777 drunkards,3183 nor3756 revilers,3060 nor3756 extortioners,727 shall(3756) inherit2816 the kingdom932 of God.2316

Homosexuals always have problems with these two words, shown here in the king james, backed up with the strong's concordance numbers:

nor3777 effeminate,3120 nor3777 abusers of themselves with mankind,733 ​

Note what both Strong's and Thayer's presents behind these words:

The Greek word behind the KJV ‘effeminate,’

G3120
μαλακός
malakos
mal-ak-os'
Of uncertain affinity; soft, that is, fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite: - effeminate, soft.

G3120
μαλακός
malakos
Thayer Definition:
1) soft, soft to the touch
2) metaphorically in a bad sense
2a) effeminate
2a1) of a catamite (A boy who has a sexual relationship with a man. (–American heritage)
2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
2a4) of a male prostitute
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity



The Greek word behind the KJV ‘abusers of themselves with mankind,’

G733
ἀρσενοκοίτης
arsenokoitēs
ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace
From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

G733
ἀρσενοκοίτης
arsenokoitēs
Thayer Definition:
1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G730 and G2845

Related Words to the Greek prefix and suffix to arsenokoitēs:

G730
ἄῤῥην / αρσην
arrhēn / [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]̄n
Thayer Definition:
1) a male
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from G142

G2845
κοίτη
koitē
koy'-tay
From G2749; a couch; by extension cohabitation; by implication the male sperm: - bed, chambering, X conceive.

G2845
κοίτη
koitē
Thayer Definition:
1) a place for laying down, resting, sleeping in
1a) a bed, couch
2) the marriage bed
2a) of adultery
3) cohabitation, whether lawful or unlawful
3a) sexual intercourse
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2749



arsenokoitēs has the idea of 'male cohabitation'

It can be noted from a book I was reading about homosexuality that the word didn't exist before Paul used it, but that the prefix and suffix are probably pulled from the Septuagint of Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 to describe the act of homosexuality.

Also, remember Paul in that same passage also talked about fornication, adultery, and idolatry. Different sins that are all sexually related, effeminate would be the passive homosexual, while the "male cohabitation" would be the active.
What about the argument that God will bless a loving relationship? God created Male and Female, and JESUS HIMSELF SAID THAT A MAN WOULD LEAVE HIS PARENTS AND CLING TO HIS WIFE. That was His original plan. God will bless a loving Male and Female marriage, which was intended from what Jesus said, and can be found at the beginning of Genesis. If you don't heed my voice, you're denying God. There is help, but you must be willing to repent of your homosexuality. Satan is working on all of you who claim to be Christians and Homosexuals. Don't be deceived, you're not saved. God will not bless a homosexual relationship, and I have the Word of God behind me on this. Let the main flow of our English translations work, as they're quite accurate. It takes a lot to try and take the Bible off in a different direction from the general meaning of the words that can be seen in the context. I doubt any of you guys will listen, but be forewarned, we're all going to stand before God someday, and those who haven't repented of their sins, will be damned.

 

[ReformedChapin]

hmm...does seem like an interesting argument. That's besides the fact we are not biologically designed for homosexual relationships.

 

[gwdboi]

hmm...does seem like an interesting argument. That's besides the fact we are not biologically designed for homosexual relationships.

We're also not biologically designed to undergo some of the life stresses that many people must deal with today, so people with stressful lives are sinning eh?

 

[ReformedChapin]

We're also not biologically designed to undergo some of the life stresses that many people must deal with today, so people with stressful lives are sinning eh?

Evidence...please. That's besides the fact that "stress" makes you stronger both in faith and psychologically.

 

[PinkTulip]

We're also not biologically designed to undergo some of the life stresses that many people must deal with today, so people with stressful lives are sinning eh?

We are not under anymore stress than in previous decades. Imagine living in times when the Black Plague wiped out your entire family.

 

[gwdboi]

Evidence...please. That's besides the fact that "stress" makes you stronger both in faith and psychologically.

What are the long-term effects of stress?

The stress response of the body is meant to protect and support us. When faced with a threat, whether it be to our physical safety or emotional equilibrium, the body's defenses kick into high gear in a process known as the "fight or flight” response. The sympathetic nervous system pumps out adrenaline, preparing us for emergency action. Our heart rate and blood flow to the large muscles increase, the blood vessels under the skin constrict to prevent blood loss in case of injury, the pupils dilate so we can see better, and our blood sugar ramps up, giving us an energy boost.
The stress response is what helped our stone age ancestors survive, enhancing their ability to fight or flee from danger. But in the modern world, most stressors are psychological, rather than physical. Caring for a chronically-ill child or getting audited by the IRS qualify as stressful situations, but neither calls for either fight or flight. Unfortunately, our bodies don't make this distinction. Like a caveman confronting a sabertooth tiger, we go into automatic overdrive, releasing the same hormones that enabled prehistoric humans to move and think faster, hit harder, see better, hear more acutely, and jump higher than they could only seconds earlier.
The problem with the stress response is that the more it is activated, the harder it is to shut off. Instead of leveling off once the crisis has passed, your stress hormones, heart rate, and blood pressure remain elevated. Extended or repeated activation of the stress response takes a heavy toll on the body. The physical wear and tear it causes includes damage to the cardiovascular system and immune system suppression. Stress compromises your ability to fight off disease and infection, makes it difficult to conceive a baby, and stunts growth in children. It can even rewire the brain, leaving you more vulnerable to everyday pressures and mental health problems such as anxiety and depression. And, of course, the stress of living with a debilitating disease or disorder just adds to the problem.
Recent research suggests that anywhere from two-thirds to 90 percent of illness is stress-related. The following table lists some of the health problems that can be caused or exacerbated by long-term stress:

• Heart attack
• Hypertension
• Stroke
• Cancer
• Diabetes
• Depression
• Obesity
• Eating disorders

• Substance abuse
• Ulcers
• Irritable bowel syndrome
• Memory loss
• Autoimmune diseases (e.g. lupus)
• Insomnia
• Thyroid problems
• Infertility

Source: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/stress_signs.htm#stress_long_term_effects

 

[gwdboi]

We are not under anymore stress than in previous decades. Imagine living in times when the Black Plague wiped out your entire family.

Time period is not the point dear, the theory could apply to any time period.

 

[ReformedChapin]

What are the long-term effects of stress?

The stress response of the body is meant to protect and support us. When faced with a threat, whether it be to our physical safety or emotional equilibrium, the body's defenses kick into high gear in a process known as the "fight or flight” response. The sympathetic nervous system pumps out adrenaline, preparing us for emergency action. Our heart rate and blood flow to the large muscles increase, the blood vessels under the skin constrict to prevent blood loss in case of injury, the pupils dilate so we can see better, and our blood sugar ramps up, giving us an energy boost.
The stress response is what helped our stone age ancestors survive, enhancing their ability to fight or flee from danger. But in the modern world, most stressors are psychological, rather than physical. Caring for a chronically-ill child or getting audited by the IRS qualify as stressful situations, but neither calls for either fight or flight. Unfortunately, our bodies don't make this distinction. Like a caveman confronting a sabertooth tiger, we go into automatic overdrive, releasing the same hormones that enabled prehistoric humans to move and think faster, hit harder, see better, hear more acutely, and jump higher than they could only seconds earlier.
The problem with the stress response is that the more it is activated, the harder it is to shut off. Instead of leveling off once the crisis has passed, your stress hormones, heart rate, and blood pressure remain elevated. Extended or repeated activation of the stress response takes a heavy toll on the body. The physical wear and tear it causes includes damage to the cardiovascular system and immune system suppression. Stress compromises your ability to fight off disease and infection, makes it difficult to conceive a baby, and stunts growth in children. It can even rewire the brain, leaving you more vulnerable to everyday pressures and mental health problems such as anxiety and depression. And, of course, the stress of living with a debilitating disease or disorder just adds to the problem.
Recent research suggests that anywhere from two-thirds to 90 percent of illness is stress-related. The following table lists some of the health problems that can be caused or exacerbated by long-term stress:

• Heart attack
• Hypertension
• Stroke
• Cancer
• Diabetes
• Depression
• Obesity
• Eating disorders

• Substance abuse
• Ulcers
• Irritable bowel syndrome
• Memory loss
• Autoimmune diseases (e.g. lupus)
• Insomnia
• Thyroid problems
• Infertility

Source: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/stress_signs.htm#stress_long_term_effects

Hmm lets use some logic. Stress or complicated circumstances in certain doses does help build up character. Secondly stress can be build on your psychological status. For example a person who is confidant in God can lose everything (JOB) and still not have the long term effects such as insomina,hear attacks, eating disorders...all of these are highly subjective. The sin would be LOSING faith in God and not trusting in him which would cause major physical problems.


Secondly, all the stress we face now are a byproduct of original sin. We get unhealthy because we live in a fallen world. That stil implies that are in a state out of Gods will like homosexuality.

 

[Aras]

Hmm lets use some logic. Stress or complicated circumstances in certain doses does help build up character.

This is a highly opinionated statement, in some this is perhaps the case. But I believe the key term in this comment is 'certain doses.'

Secondly stress can be build on your psychological status. For example a person who is confidant in God can lose everything (JOB) and still not have the long term effects such as insomina,hear attacks, eating disorders...all of these are highly subjective. The sin would be LOSING faith in God and not trusting in him which would cause major physical problems.

Two points, first one being what physical problems can possibly develop from losing faith? The second being the story of Job makes for a nice story, but do you really think that sort of situation is really healthy for your psyche and is character building on a general basis?

Secondly, all the stress we face now are a byproduct of original sin. We get unhealthy because we live in a fallen world. That stil implies that are in a state out of Gods will like homosexuality.

I would think that the serpent tempting Eve would have caused her stress as well given that the serpent had to talk her into it, so on some level at least stress existed pre-original sin. Though I don't understand the relevance of this, considering it puts stress and homosexuality under the same light, which contradicts your previous comments defending stress.

 

[ReformedChapin]

This is a highly opinionated statement, in some this is perhaps the case. But I believe the key term in this comment is 'certain doses.'

It's logic, not opinion. The more you suffer the greater chance you have of acquring an illness. How is that even confusing?

Two points, first one being what physical problems can possibly develop from losing faith? The second being the story of Job makes for a nice story, but do you really think that sort of situation is really healthy for your psyche and is character building on a general basis?

This is irrevant and an opinion.

I would think that the serpent tempting Eve would have caused her stress as well given that the serpent had to talk her into it, so on some level at least stress existed pre-original sin. Though I don't understand the relevance of this, considering it puts stress and homosexuality under the same light, which contradicts your previous comments defending stress.

You completely missed the point. My point is that stress (that is unhealthy as you defined it not a good spanking that God uses to correct us) is a byproduct of sin, therefore LIKE homosexuality isn't in Gods plan. We are to live in heaven or a perfect world where BOTH shouldn't occur.

 

[Aras]

It's logic, not opinion. The more you suffer the greater chance you have of acquring an illness. How is that even confusing?

Hmm lets use some logic. Stress or complicated circumstances in certain doses does help build up character.

This is what I was replying to, where in that do you mention acquiring an illness?

This is irrevant and an opinion.

Please treat my replies with a little respect, I believe it is relevant, and if you claim your posts don't contain opinion that's simply absurd.

The sin would be LOSING faith in God and not trusting in him which would cause major physical problems.

This is a prime example, claiming that not trusting God causes major physical problems is very much an opinion, and I am confused of the relevancy of it to this conversation. So I restate my questions concerning this comment.

You completely missed the point. My point is that stress (that is unhealthy as you defined it not a good spanking that God uses to correct us) is a byproduct of sin, therefore LIKE homosexuality isn't in Gods plan. We are to live in heaven or a perfect world where BOTH shouldn't occur.

Fair enough.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Hmm lets use some logic. Stress or complicated circumstances in certain doses does help build up character.

This is what I was replying to, where in that do you mention acquiring an illness?

I don't even even know what you're talking about now.

Please treat my replies with a little respect, I believe it is relevant, and if you claim your posts don't contain opinion that's simply absurd.

Sorry if you got offended, it wasn't my intention. But there was not relevant in your last post to this argument whats so ever.

The sin would be LOSING faith in God and not trusting in him which would cause major physical problems.

This is why I said they are byproducts of sin.

This is a prime example, claiming that not trusting God causes major physical problems is very much an opinion, and I am confused of the relevancy of it to this conversation. So I restate my questions concerning this comment.

Again you are miss quoting me. I stated that stress is highly subjective. An individual who trusts God is more likely to endure " highly stressful" situation. Who will handle a bad situation better? A christian who says " Christ is Lord of all things he will get me through it " or an athiest who says " %^$ the whole world, %&^#ers screwed me over?"


Look at the apostles, they all suffered horrible situations. How do you think they handled it? Stress starts becoming wrong when you are focused more on this world and not a way of reconzing how God is correcting you.