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Wow! What has happened to this Messianic Judaism forum? I stay away for a month or two and return to find mainstream Christians teaching against Torah here. I thought that wasn't allowed!!
I'm just not up to the battle anymore. Guess I'll make myself scarce again. Carry on.....

You don't have to leave ..I will...I thought there was an open door for us here...I was mistaking...I can see gentile Christians belief are not welcome....

I leave in peace ...
 
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You don't have to leave ..I will...I thought there was an open door for us here...I was mistaking...I can see gentile Christians belief are not welcome....

I leave in peace ...
That's just what this type of poster wants. Don't think you have to leave because of one persons rant. It's posts like this that should be ignored.
 
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Wow! What has happened to this Messianic Judaism forum? I stay away for a month or two and return to find mainstream Christians teaching against Torah here. I thought that wasn't allowed!!
I'm just not up to the battle anymore. Guess I'll make myself scarce again. Carry on.....

There is a difference between teaching, and sharing what one has been taught, and I do not see anyone accepting the milk of the denominations, nor is he saying anything we have not heard, yet this is perhaps an opoortunity for someone to reconsider what they have beem taught/

Or where would you recomemd him to go? And why can't it be assumed that he was sent to hear something from a Messianics, or should we just post a sign like back in the day saying, No gentiles beyond this point, as if that would really speed up the reconciliation process;

Your reluctance to embrace your brother who is willing to consider what you have to say, is as bad as those who would tell him, don't listen to those reprobate Messianics, where is that Loving yeddida that I know?
 
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That's just what this type of poster wants. Don't think you have to leave because of one persons rant. It's posts like this that should be ignored.



Well I did not want to step on anyone toes...nor do I wish to create any enemies...I thought it best to disappear..:cool:
 
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There is a difference between teaching, and sharing what one has been taught, and I do not see anyone accepting the milk of the denominations, nor is he saying anything we have not heard, yet this is perhaps an opoortunity for someone to reconsider what they have beem taught/

Or where would you recomemd him to go? And why can't it be assumed that he was sent to hear something from a Messianics, or should we just post a sign like back in the day saying, No gentiles beyond this point, as if that would really speed up the reconciliation process;

Your reluctance to embrace your brother who is willing to consider what you have to say, is as bad as those who would tell him, don't listen to those reprobate Messianics, where is that Loving yeddida that I know?


Off subject for a bit...I have a question...was Abraham offering Isaac as God commanded for the sins of the world or his own?
 
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Off subject for a bit...I have a question...was Abraham offering Isaac as God commanded for the sins of the world or his own?

Ahhh, the beauty of it all; there are many places to stand and behold, and appreciate the beauty of that which is beautiful, and though I share one nuance of it's beauty, it is but one nuance:

What did Abvrahm show Elohym by his willing inclination to comply?

At the end of Elohym scattering One people-nation, and creating many peoples-nations He sent Last of the the royal blood line of the Divine birthright;

Thus as soon as Elohym scattered the Nation He initiated His plan to Reconcile them all back to Himself, yet keep in mind, He is looking for someone whose heart is a similitude of His own Heart, and in a world where people were willing to sacrifice their own children in exchange for Divine favor from El Shadai (The Great Mountain which burned with fire, [a Rock & Consumming fire i.e, a volcano] there was One whom He had prepared for Himself who would aquisently comply;

For Elohym had a Work to be performed through someone who had more reason to Love and cherish his son more than anything of Elohym, He was looking for someone who did not want the job, for it was not something one should desire to do, but out of a greater Love for his Divine Father whom He Trusted Without Doubt, thus the Divine request was a necessity to comply;

When the Most unlikely man willingly inclined to do the Most unlikely thing he would be willing to do, it is then that Elohym carefully removed His loaf of bread from the oven, and a prophet was born-chosen-elected, and of the Royal blood line no less;

For the Blessing to Govern the earth and it's inhabitants was handed down from Adam to Israel, and the name Abvraham is a depiction of this birthright just as the name Israel (for he is the Crown & Cheif steward of Elohym):

So to answer your question, I look to the scriptures, and Ruach H'Kodesh guides me precept upon precept, and my reply is...

Yes!
 
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You did not present two options!

It just occurred to me that if indeed Abraham was offering his son for the world and including himself ..this shows the kind of man Abraham was....a man willing to give his only son....as a sin offering for the world sins...that is beautiful....

And he had faith that hashem would raise him from the dead...so that the promise that his seed would still be fulfilled in Isaac had he been sacrifice....

Yet God chose a ram instead that day....for the seed who would bless all nations would come not from Isaac but yahshua...who died for the worlds sins

Thank you for your reply peace
 
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The Bible does not specify that Isaac (or the ram) was sacrificed for any sin.


True but what's the point of shedding rams blood?...the animal activist would have been outraged...:)....just a little joke
 
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It just occurred to me that if indeed Abraham was offering his son for the world and including himself ..this shows the kind of man Abraham was....a man willing to give his only son....as a sin offering for the world sins...that is beautiful....

And he had faith that hashem would raise him from the dead...so that the promise that his seed would still be fulfilled in Isaac had he been sacrifice....

Yet God chose a ram instead that day....for the seed who would bless all nations would come not from Isaac but yahshua...who died for the worlds sins

Thank you for your reply peace

Yes indeed, and we who are counted as his seed do good to also believe in the resurrection from the dead;

Yet, who was the male Lamb caught in the עבד thicket but The Leader of the Flock himself Abvraham the first born representing every nation;

Abvraham was guilty of righteousness once he imagined himself performing the act of trust and compliance, so there was never a need for Issac to be sacraficed, yet what he was willi.g to do to the Ram who was not his own, was him doing unto another leader of the flock, and thus both the Ram and Abvraham were both dispatched, yet abvraham was as the escape goat, he was the Ram wandering in the wilderness seeking the life of one who was otherwise as good as dead;

If a man had 100 sheep... (how old was Abvraham when he had begotten Isaac?) and one of them were to go astray, who would not leave the 99 sheep... (how old was Sarah when gave birth to Isaac?), and go and seek that which was lost? (How old do you suppose Isaac was when he was prepared to be a living (not dead) sacrifce?)

Perhaps we should digress and consider how the Ressurection plays a role in the title of the Main topic of this thread, for I say, If we be in the Last days when the Resurrection is to occur, then it is going to require Faith, that you (the individual) are actually a Resurrected being;

There are three remarkable things about the 144,000

1) They overcome the Mark-Stigma of the Beast that is not a Beast aka Satan

2) They are Virgins, but what does that mean? The scriptures (not a dictionary persé) define a Virgin as one who is a woman (flesh & bone) that has not Known a Man, think about it for a minute and let that sink in, for to me this means one must be in the flesh, yet recognize no one as being a Carnal man, but as Elohym-Divine beings, though some be fallen...asleep...and walk the earth as the living dead:

3) They are the only ones who not only recognize his voice, and receive him and have become Elohym-Children of the Most high thereby, they are also those in the Resurection who Come to the wedding when they are called just as Abvraham did when he was called;

Thus they had to believe they were resurrected from the dead:
 
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True but what's the point of shedding rams blood?...the animal activist would have been outraged...:)....just a little joke

I just want to say that it doesn't state in scripture that it was a penance for sin, and not all sacrifices are for that; some are free will offerings, or thanks-offerings, or simply commanded offerings that do not relate to our sinfulness or righteousness.
 
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I just want to say that it doesn't state in scripture that it was a penance for sin, and not all sacrifices are for that; some are free will offerings, or thanks-offerings, or simply commanded offerings that do not relate to our sinfulness or righteousness.

...but I just don't understand the shedding of blood ...why sacrifices of blood?...and the death of animals?
 
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...but I just don't understand the shedding of blood ...why sacrifices of blood?...and the death of animals?
I'm reminded of the verse that states there is no forgiveness without the sheding of blood. I'd post it but tablets stink for copy paste.

It goes back to the garden, and why...how God clothed Adam and Eve.
 
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