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who cares, he's talking about promiscuity.Blackmarch said:
And no, it's not immoral if you use a condom.
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an7222 said:
I would like to say that if you use a condom, it isn't immoral... But honestly, I can't find a reason to think that it is immoral even if you don't use a condom. I wouldn't consider putting yourself at risk to get a disease immoral. Now, if you have an STD... then yeah.
Heh, I'll go with no, not immoral.
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Hmmm, I think "yes", actually. The clearest definition I can find for sexual immorality in the Bible is 1 Thessalonians 3. That passage said in order to avoid sexual immorality you should be holy and honorable with your body, not succumb to lustful desires, and you should not wrong anyone else or taking advantage of them. 1 Thessalonians 4-6. The lesson I take from this is that we are to control our bodies so as to not act in "the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God." 1 Thessalonians 4-5 (KJV). That is, God doesn't want us to act only on the lusts of sexual desire, but to make sure our expression of physicality is intertwined with our spirituality, lest we forget that our bodies are a temple. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20.
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Yes, you're right. I just reflexively answer things in a Christian context on this forum unless the question specifies other wisethirstforknowledge said:
Ummm, outside of Christianity I'd say I'm all for a little bit of chastity and discretion insofar as I think sex is a very personal act that can have serious physcial and emotional consequences. In terms of where that puts promiscuity on a moral spectrum, however, I think people should be able to do as they please.
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beechy said:Yes, you're right. I just reflexively answer things in a Christian context on this forum unless the question specifies other wise
Understood.
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xtxArchxAngelxtx
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I would think that a person with the holy spirit would know that it is sinful...
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thirstforknowledge said:
Deliberately not using contraception and just hoping for the best is immoral, I'd say (I'm not a big fan of unplanned or, worse, unwanted pregnancy). I think promiscuity reflects a pretty shallow view of human sexuality, but it's not immoral in and of itself.
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Clearly, in the OT a prostitute, if single, was not in violation of any Biblical crime, unless she was the daughter of a Priest and defiles his house. Of course, a Priest could not marry a prostitute. But if the harlot (what a terrible word) is a wife too, then she and the customer will be put to death for adultery. However, if a man was married and went to a prostitute, then there was no violation.
However, there are strong CIVIL condemnations including what it does to the customers, usually referring to debt, problems, etc. Also, you are told to not prostitute your daughter or let her be a harlot. What a great double standard they had then. Most of this comes from Ecker's "And Adam Knew Eve: A Dictionary of Sex in the Bible."
There is quite some debate about whether this is a violation of NT law. Many different views and theories, including, whether any purity law was passed unto the gentiles according to Countryman in "Dirt, Sex, and Greed."
He believes that GREED was the driving force of Paul's writings. He believes Paul was concerned about social harmony in the church and how trespassing against a neighbor (adultery, etc.) was harmful to the church and God. Thus, the famous quotes in I Thessalonians, Galations, and Corinthians. However, he does believe that he then, in Corinthians, goes on to explain how "porneia" was still a violation, even though we are not under the law. However, many scholars believe that his ascetic background (that you have to self deny to gain a closer relationship with God) was clearly present in his writing and may not be an accurate reflection of Christianity. He basically says, if you are weak, then get married.
Also, Paul thought Jesus was returning in two weeks (quickly is what I mean) which is clearly reflected in his writing. If Paul knew how long it was going to take, then would his writing be different?
These are not all MY opinions, but they are interesting and from very solid sources.
However, there are strong CIVIL condemnations including what it does to the customers, usually referring to debt, problems, etc. Also, you are told to not prostitute your daughter or let her be a harlot. What a great double standard they had then. Most of this comes from Ecker's "And Adam Knew Eve: A Dictionary of Sex in the Bible."
There is quite some debate about whether this is a violation of NT law. Many different views and theories, including, whether any purity law was passed unto the gentiles according to Countryman in "Dirt, Sex, and Greed."
He believes that GREED was the driving force of Paul's writings. He believes Paul was concerned about social harmony in the church and how trespassing against a neighbor (adultery, etc.) was harmful to the church and God. Thus, the famous quotes in I Thessalonians, Galations, and Corinthians. However, he does believe that he then, in Corinthians, goes on to explain how "porneia" was still a violation, even though we are not under the law. However, many scholars believe that his ascetic background (that you have to self deny to gain a closer relationship with God) was clearly present in his writing and may not be an accurate reflection of Christianity. He basically says, if you are weak, then get married.
Also, Paul thought Jesus was returning in two weeks (quickly is what I mean) which is clearly reflected in his writing. If Paul knew how long it was going to take, then would his writing be different?
These are not all MY opinions, but they are interesting and from very solid sources.
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christalee4
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Regardless of all of the scripture one could quote that argue that promiscuity is immoral, I think mostly everyone with few exceptions would agree that as a behavior, promiscuity is sad, and takes the humanity and love out of sex.
On the other end, promiscuity is used as a term by ultra conservatives as only one of two options; any kind of sexual activity by adults in a relationship (note I said relationship) out of marriage is seen as promiscuous behavior. The other option is abstinence only.
I would also like to add that there are double standards on the perception of promiscuous behavior between the sexes, which I also feel are wrong. Men are lauded as "sowing their wild oats", perceived as "boys will be boys", whereas women are "*****", "harlots", and are compared to criminals. These differences in perception are attributed to OT laws, in which women were considered to be male property of fathers or husbands, and more of a premium was placed on virginity.
On the other end, promiscuity is used as a term by ultra conservatives as only one of two options; any kind of sexual activity by adults in a relationship (note I said relationship) out of marriage is seen as promiscuous behavior. The other option is abstinence only.
I would also like to add that there are double standards on the perception of promiscuous behavior between the sexes, which I also feel are wrong. Men are lauded as "sowing their wild oats", perceived as "boys will be boys", whereas women are "*****", "harlots", and are compared to criminals. These differences in perception are attributed to OT laws, in which women were considered to be male property of fathers or husbands, and more of a premium was placed on virginity.
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fragmentsofdreams
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I can think of a few accidental factors that are relevant as well as one factor that may be essential to promiscuity.
The accidents:
*Risk of pregnancy - risking pregnancy when one is not prepared to deal with it is wrong. However, this can be mitigated by contraceptives and choice of sex acts.
*Risk of STDs - leaving oneself open to becoming infected and risking infecting others is something very grave. However, there are also ways to mitigate this factor
*Risk of causing emotional harm - promiscuous sex while in a committed relationship runs a high risk of causing emotional harm to one's partner, and even when single, one risks emotionally harming the person with whom one is having sex. However, certain situations can also avoid this
However, there is one thing that I think is always present in gross promiscuity - the use of others merely as a sex toy. One only cares about the other person in ways reelated to getting sex.
Of course, this has implications about how we interact economically.
The accidents:
*Risk of pregnancy - risking pregnancy when one is not prepared to deal with it is wrong. However, this can be mitigated by contraceptives and choice of sex acts.
*Risk of STDs - leaving oneself open to becoming infected and risking infecting others is something very grave. However, there are also ways to mitigate this factor
*Risk of causing emotional harm - promiscuous sex while in a committed relationship runs a high risk of causing emotional harm to one's partner, and even when single, one risks emotionally harming the person with whom one is having sex. However, certain situations can also avoid this
However, there is one thing that I think is always present in gross promiscuity - the use of others merely as a sex toy. One only cares about the other person in ways reelated to getting sex.
Of course, this has implications about how we interact economically.
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precious stone
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Simple straight answer, -Yes, of course promiscuity is immoral. We are humans and not animals. We have brains to think and reason wisely.
If promiscuity is not immoral, then think of each person practising this sort of stuff all over the world. And there are people who are promiscuious. Can you predict the outcome and consequences? yes? No? Does science encourage humans to do this for the benefit of human race or research have shown that sexual diseases abound with such a behaviour?
What are the benefits of being promiscuious? Do you think there's any benefits to this for the long run? I'm sure deep in the person's heart, he/she knows that it doesn't bring anything good and moral about it. It's just their selfish-desire to fulfill their gratification.
And wearing a condom or not, it's the same act. Still an immoral act. Only within marriage, sex is sacred. Sex outside marriage, it's sin. Simple as that. If one thinks that it is not, then by all means go ahead and do it, and then come back in 30yrs time to tell us how you're doing. If everything's still fine, then you've proven yourself that promiscuity isn't wrong.
Even if this is not based on christian system of morality, the consequences is there, - sexual diseases, the breakdown of a family unit , unhealthy relationships and damaging one's emotions and thoughts.
If one wants to behave like dogs, they can. Well, but dogs have excuses though, they are not human beings. But why would a human being try to be like dogs during their heat?
As long as this is discussed in a christian forum, we who believes in the Word of God, will say that promiscuity is not only wrong but SINFUL...which is enough to bar anyone from entering the kingdom of God unless one repents. This kind of behaviour without repentance and forgiveness in Christ is already leading many to the 'pits'.
Surely, we do not want to put ourselves inferior to animals, do we? A person's sexual behaviour in promiscuity tells it all.
Anyone practising promiscuity here, this is the chance to get straight with God. Now is the salvation.
If promiscuity is not immoral, then think of each person practising this sort of stuff all over the world. And there are people who are promiscuious. Can you predict the outcome and consequences? yes? No? Does science encourage humans to do this for the benefit of human race or research have shown that sexual diseases abound with such a behaviour?
What are the benefits of being promiscuious? Do you think there's any benefits to this for the long run? I'm sure deep in the person's heart, he/she knows that it doesn't bring anything good and moral about it. It's just their selfish-desire to fulfill their gratification.
And wearing a condom or not, it's the same act. Still an immoral act. Only within marriage, sex is sacred. Sex outside marriage, it's sin. Simple as that. If one thinks that it is not, then by all means go ahead and do it, and then come back in 30yrs time to tell us how you're doing. If everything's still fine, then you've proven yourself that promiscuity isn't wrong.
Even if this is not based on christian system of morality, the consequences is there, - sexual diseases, the breakdown of a family unit , unhealthy relationships and damaging one's emotions and thoughts.
If one wants to behave like dogs, they can. Well, but dogs have excuses though, they are not human beings. But why would a human being try to be like dogs during their heat?
As long as this is discussed in a christian forum, we who believes in the Word of God, will say that promiscuity is not only wrong but SINFUL...which is enough to bar anyone from entering the kingdom of God unless one repents. This kind of behaviour without repentance and forgiveness in Christ is already leading many to the 'pits'.
Surely, we do not want to put ourselves inferior to animals, do we? A person's sexual behaviour in promiscuity tells it all.
Anyone practising promiscuity here, this is the chance to get straight with God. Now is the salvation.
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tocis
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an7222 said:
It is immoral if you are cheating on one or more of your partners, because doing so will hurt their feelings.
If, on the other hand, all your partners know that they're not The Only One for you and agree to your actions, then it's okay. Kind of hard to imagine for most people, I guess, but still...
(EDIT: I consider the questions of preventing contagion with any STDs, or contraception, to be another topic... and one which applies to monogamous relationships too, so I think it's quite irrelevant to this specific thread)
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But this is not a Christians only thread, and so I think we are supposed to look for general reasons. Lost time, disease, emotional scaring, lack of motivation for males to create stable societys, the difficulty of promiscuous people to eventually settle on one life partner, and things like that.
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Yeah, we did not get into the swingers lifestyle part of promiscuity.tocis said:It is immoral if you are cheating on one or more of your partners, because doing so will hurt their feelings.
If, on the other hand, all your partners know that they're not The Only One for you and agree to your actions, then it's okay. Kind of hard to imagine for most people, I guess, but still...
(EDIT: I consider the questions of preventing contagion with any STDs, or contraception, to be another topic... and one which applies to monogamous relationships too, so I think it's quite irrelevant to this specific thread)
I had not though of that.
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