Project 2025 Affirmed by Trump's Transition Team

[FenderTL5]

First off, they're not advocating raising taxes for the poor, but having the same tax rate for all.

I told you their agenda and linked to the document and cited the page number it's found on.
Changing a 10% tax rate to 15% is indeed raising taxes. Changing a 12% tax bracket to 15% is raising taxes and that's the lowest tax brackets.
and yes, the Project 2025 agenda lowers taxes on the rich. That's a part of the Heritage Foundation/so-called conservative agenda in Project 2025.

The poor don't create jobs
only people with money to invest do.

Jobs are not created because one has money. Jobs are created because there is a demand for a good/service that needsw to be met.

Oppression of the poor has more to do with the breakdown of the family

Did you even open my link(s)? It doesn't appear that you did, you are arguing positions I do not take.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I told you their agenda and linked to the document and cited the page number it's found on.
Changing a 10% tax rate to 15% is indeed raising taxes. Changing a 12% tax bracket to 15% is raising taxes and that's the lowest tax brackets.
and yes, the Project 2025 agenda lowers taxes on the rich. That's a part of the Heritage Foundation/so-called conservative agenda in Project 2025.

Jobs are not created because one has money. Jobs are created because there is a demand for a good/service that needsw to be met.

Did you even open my link(s)? It doesn't appear that you did, you are arguing positions I do not take.

15% is a flat tax rate. Many people are for a flat tax rate some are against it. Either way, Congress has to approve it, not the
creators of Project 2025.

Jobs are created because people with money can invest in the businesses that provide the goods and services. Poor people
can not do this.

No, I didn't open your links as your opinion is expressed here and enough for me.

 

[FenderTL5]

15% is a flat tax rate.

it's not a flat tax, I linked the document.

No, I didn't open your links as your opinion is expressed here and enough for me.

You asked.

Project 2025 is 900 pages long. If you read it and disagree with it,
share what part you disagree with. I'd like to know.

My error was presuming you really wanted to know and would apply the common courtesy to, at least, read it. (sigh)

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Your link doesn't bring me to the pdf file, but the webpage which page 696 can't be accessed. So,
I downloaded the pdf file and here is what page 696 says;

TAX POLICY Tax policy has a powerful impact on the economy. The Treasury Department should develop and promote tax reform legislation that will promote prosperity. To accomplish this, tax reform should improve incentives to work, save, and invest. This, in turn, is accomplished primarily by reducing marginal tax rates,13 reducing the cost of capital14 and broadening the tax base to eliminate tax-induced economic distortions by eliminating special-interest tax credits, deductions, and exclusions. Tax compliance costs will decline precipitously if the tax system is substantially simplified.15 The Treasury Department should also promote tax competition rather than supporting an international tax cartel. Principles of Good Tax Policy. These are the principles governing good tax policy. l First, the tax system should raise the revenue necessary to fund a limited government for constitutionally appropriate activities. It should raise this revenue such that it: (a) applies the least economically destructive forms of — 696 — Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise taxation;16 (b) has low tax rates on a broad, neutral tax base; (c) minimizes interference with the operation of the free market and free enterprise; and (d) minimizes the cost to taxpayers of compliance with and administration of the tax system.

Second, the tax system should minimize its adverse impact on the family and the core institutions of civil society. l Third, the tax system should be applied consistently—with special privileges for none—and respect taxpayer due process and privacy rights

(bold is my emphasis)

Intermediate Tax Reform. The Treasury should work with Congress to simplify the tax code by enacting a simple two-rate individual tax system of 15 percent and 30 percent that eliminates most deductions, credits and exclusions. The 30 percent bracket should begin at or near the Social Security wage base to ensure the combined income and payroll tax structure acts as a nearly flat tax on wage income beyond the standard deduction


The corporate income tax rate should be reduced to 18 percent. The corporate income tax is the most damaging tax in the U.S. tax system, and its primary economic burden falls on workers because capital is more mobile than labor.17 Capital gains and qualified dividends should be taxed at 15 percent. Thus, the combined corporate income tax combined with the capital gains or qualified dividends tax rate would be roughly equal to the top individual income tax rate.18 The system should allow immediate expensing for capital expenditures and index capital gains taxes for inflation.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I haven't seen Trump advocating for a flat tax or what it says in the Project 2025 document as I presented.

Even if he did, it's not a bad idea.

 

[FenderTL5]

Your link doesn't bring me to the pdf file, but the webpage which page 696 can't be accessed.

If you had scrolled down, you would've seen the table of contents listed and hot links into every section of the Project 2025 document. No download required. Of course if you want the pdf file and your name on the Heritage Foundation mailing list(s) by all means go for it.

..tax structure acts as a nearly flat tax on wage income beyond the standard deduction

"nearly" a flat tax is not a flat tax. A flat tax would carry the same percentage across the board and eliminate all deductions. This does neither.
Now, had you said it is a step toward a flat tax and that is their ultimate goal - you and I would be in total agreement.

I haven't seen Trump advocating for a flat tax or what it says in the Project 2025 document as I presented.

This is true. Trump is advocating tariffs, which operate more like a sales tax. Project 2025 does not advocate tariffs. As I said in my first post to you, Project 2025 is not Trump's plan. However, the Heritage Foundation and the conservative groups represented by Project 2025 are pitching these ideas to the Trump Adminstration and getting appointed to positions of influence in the incoming adminstration. Will they be adpted? I don't know - but I'm opposed and that was your question concerning Project 2025.

Even if he did, it's not a bad idea.

A flat tax is a great idea if you are rich.
If not, you better start doing some math before advocating it.

 

[Diamond72]

For example, well over 100 (in the 140s iirc) of the authors and contributors of Project 2025 were part of Trump's previous adminstration.

The Bible tells us that the church age is ending and the kingdom age begins on the third day. Hosea 6:2 "After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence." We know this has to do with government. Isaiah 9 6 "The government will rest on his shoulders". So none of this should surprise us. We have been expecting this for a long time now. Because people went by the birth of Christ rather than the birth of the Church. So the "second coming" is 33 years later than they first expected this to happen.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

This is true. Trump is advocating tariffs, which operate more like a sales tax. Project 2025 does not advocate tariffs. As I said in my first post to you, Project 2025 is not Trump's plan. However, the Heritage Foundation and the conservative groups represented by Project 2025 are pitching these ideas to the Trump Adminstration and getting appointed to positions of influence in the incoming adminstration. Will they be adpted? I don't know - but I'm opposed and that was your question concerning Project 2025.

I didn't have to subscribe to the Heritage Foundation site to download the pdf.

Do you know that the tariffs Trump put in place in his first term, Biden kept?

I have no problem with placing tariffs on countries like China, who have cheated with the trade agreements Biden
negotiated for back when Clinton was president. Biden and Kerry were on the negotiating committee which negotiated
NAFTA and the G-8 trade agreements.

It was big business which wanted these negotiations as they could get cheap labor which they did. I lost my
job as it was transferred over to China.

During Trump's first term in office, it was the first time I saw a president fight for the American workers.

The others before him worked against the American workers in favor of the big businesses like Apple and
Microsoft.

The flat tax means everyone pays the same rate. No more deductions for donating underwear like Bill Clinton
deducted on his tax return.

When everyone pays taxes, including the poor, they have a vested interest in the elections and have a sense
of responsibility when voting. Also, people under a certain income level won't pay taxes or even have to file a
tax return.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Oppression of the poor has more to do with the breakdown of the family and refusing to take
responsibility for oneself.

Sounds like blame the victim without looking at or considering the great many social ailments such as lack of equal access to education and healthcare.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Sounds like blame the victim without looking at or considering the great many social ailments such as lack of equal access to education and healthcare.

Just pointing out the reality that exists. Fatherless homes are the biggest cause of poverty and crime among the poor, despite
getting help from the government.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Just pointing out the reality that exists. Fatherless homes are the biggest cause of poverty and crime among the poor, despite
getting help from the government.

But is the family left behind refusing to take responsibility?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

But is the family left behind is refusing to take responsibility.

When the remaining family lives off the government there is generally no responsibility present. Relying on
the government keeps families in poverty and that will never change.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

When the remaining family lives off the government there is generally no responsibility present. Relying on
the government keeps families in poverty and that will never change.

So put those kids to work early?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

So put those kids to work early?

How about making parents responsible for their kids?

Don't make the state raise them.

 

[Mike McK]

Trump's transition team turns to Project 2025 after disavowing it during the campaign

Transition officials have used Project 2025's extensive personnel database to identify potential hires for the incoming administration, a person familiar with the plans said.

www.nbcnews.com

Project 2025
has some very radical proposals in it.

For example...?

Trump is putting forward cabinet
proposals who are VERY radical

According to whom? Were you this concerned when Obama was appointing communists an Black Panthers?

, and many of which are not qualified to run large
agencies.

According to whom?